He probably means there won't be a nuclear explosion, which is true.
Could be, but the Chernobyl disaster was exactly what this looks a lot like: initially a coolant steam explosion. Chernobyl then was made way worse by a fire that broke out when the graphite moderatos ignited, which I think is not a thing that can happen any more. I think.
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He probably means there won't be a nuclear explosion, which is true.
Could be, but the Chernobyl disaster was exactly what this looks a lot like: initially a coolant steam explosion. Chernobyl then was made way worse by a fire that broke out when the graphite moderatos ignited, which I think is not a thing that can happen any more. I think.
Wasn't Chernobyl the product of every possibly bad thing happening though? I feel like the Japanese may be able to prevent such an incident.
He probably means there won't be a nuclear explosion, which is true.
Could be, but the Chernobyl disaster was exactly what this looks a lot like: initially a coolant steam explosion. Chernobyl then was made way worse by a fire that broke out when the graphite moderatos ignited, which I think is not a thing that can happen any more. I think.
Wasn't Chernobyl the product of every possibly bad thing happening though? I feel like the Japanese may be able to prevent such an incident.
most major nuclear disasters have been the work of a lot of small problems compounding into a Big Deal.
He probably means there won't be a nuclear explosion, which is true.
Could be, but the Chernobyl disaster was exactly what this looks a lot like: initially a coolant steam explosion. Chernobyl then was made way worse by a fire that broke out when the graphite moderatos ignited, which I think is not a thing that can happen any more. I think.
Wasn't Chernobyl the product of every possibly bad thing happening though? I feel like the Japanese may be able to prevent such an incident.
most major nuclear disasters have been the work of a lot of small problems compounding into a Big Deal.
...which is true for pretty much every big man-made disaster
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Zonugal(He/Him) The Holiday ArmadilloI'm Santa's representative for all the southern states. And Mexico!Registered Userregular
He probably means there won't be a nuclear explosion, which is true.
Could be, but the Chernobyl disaster was exactly what this looks a lot like: initially a coolant steam explosion. Chernobyl then was made way worse by a fire that broke out when the graphite moderatos ignited, which I think is not a thing that can happen any more. I think.
Wasn't Chernobyl the product of every possibly bad thing happening though? I feel like the Japanese may be able to prevent such an incident.
most major nuclear disasters have been the work of a lot of small problems compounding into a Big Deal.
But if I am remembering my high school civics course correctly the issue with Chernobyl was that everything was done wrong. It was built improperly, it was staffed incorrectly and the crisis was handled extremely poorly.
He probably means there won't be a nuclear explosion, which is true.
Could be, but the Chernobyl disaster was exactly what this looks a lot like: initially a coolant steam explosion. Chernobyl then was made way worse by a fire that broke out when the graphite moderatos ignited, which I think is not a thing that can happen any more. I think.
Wasn't Chernobyl the product of every possibly bad thing happening though? I feel like the Japanese may be able to prevent such an incident.
Yeah, and all those bad things led up to and caused the explosion.
So if that's what we saw here, I'd say that there's pretty good empirical evidence that they can't prevent such an incident.
But like I said, it was made way worse by the radioactive fire that ensued. That may have been averted here.
and obvs the richter scale goes below zero because sometimes the earth is more stiller
actually it does, the zero of the richter scale is about 63kJ which is 15g of TNT. Any event less than that would be negative on the richter scale
If you want to really be technical, it's not the richter scale anyway. The richter scale was developed just for the tectonic activity in California, and it hasn't been used for quite a while.
What news reports constantly call 'the richter scale' is actually the moment magnitude scale.
Wasn't Chernobyl also running pretty much at 100% when things went wrong though? This reactor was either shut down or running at diminished capacity(I can't remember which). I'm assuming that has some effect on exactly how bad it'll be.
He probably means there won't be a nuclear explosion, which is true.
Could be, but the Chernobyl disaster was exactly what this looks a lot like: initially a coolant steam explosion. Chernobyl then was made way worse by a fire that broke out when the graphite moderatos ignited, which I think is not a thing that can happen any more. I think.
chernobyl was really badly designed so that a big fuckup caused a cascading effect and runaway reaction
modern light water reactors are designed so that if cooling cuts out, the reaction slows down
it's practically impossible for them to go critical
in order for a neutron released by normal radioactivity to cause a secondary reaction, it must be slowed down by the water inside (1) there. I guess if shit got out of control, firstly the water would heat up and you would get steam bubbles which would cause there to be less water between the fuel rods and the reaction would slow down. If shit got really out of control and the reactor vessel ruptured and vented the water, there would be some radioactive leaking (and a big explosion) but the nuclear reaction would slow down.
He probably means there won't be a nuclear explosion, which is true.
Could be, but the Chernobyl disaster was exactly what this looks a lot like: initially a coolant steam explosion. Chernobyl then was made way worse by a fire that broke out when the graphite moderatos ignited, which I think is not a thing that can happen any more. I think.
chernobyl was really badly designed so that a big fuckup caused a cascading effect and runaway reaction
modern light water reactors are designed so that if cooling cuts out, the reaction slows down
it's practically impossible for them to go critical
in order for a neutron released by normal radioactivity to cause a secondary reaction, it must be slowed down by the water inside (1) there. I guess if shit got out of control, firstly the water would heat up and you would get steam bubbles which would cause there to be less water between the fuel rods and the reaction would slow down. If shit got really out of control and the reactor vessel ruptured and vented the water, there would be some radioactive leaking (and a big explosion) but the nuclear reaction would slow down.
Ah, so the moderator here is water instead of graphite, which means that it won't catch on fire.
It seems like the spread of radioactive material over a large area by the fire that ensued was worse than the actual meltdown at Chernobyl, right? Except for those poor firefighters who were directly exposed, I guess.
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Hey Doc, so rarely do our paths cross for me to get a chance to ask such questions towards you.
I hear you & I may have attended the same university?
That's the case, yes. What's up?
That is pretty much all I have... How did you enjoy it?
I liked it. I was glad to spend exactly four years in Ellensburg. The CS and Math programs leave something to be desired.
I'm nearing my fourth year & getting ready to graduate. This past week I saw two freshmen shotgunning TreeTop apple juice cans outside of Al-Monty Hall.
I need to get out of here.
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Regarding enormous disasters, I just watched The Road and I know it's supposed to be unexplained but I'd say that the world looked pretty much like an extinction level asteroid strike.
I like the book better. The faint religious undertones were left out of the movie imo.
The Today show has an MIT nuclear expert on and he's doing nothing but spreading calm and facts about the reactor and shooting down the constant use of meltdown by the host.
On the 70th day of 2011, an 8.9 earthquake hit Japan. The Bible has 1189 chapters and 66 books; this earthquake happened 1189 days after the 66th anniversary of Pearl Harbor.
On the 70th day of 2011, an 8.9 earthquake hit Japan. The Bible has 1189 chapters and 66 books; this earthquake happened 1189 days after the 66th anniversary of Pearl Harbor.
I gotta stop looking at OpenBook
How the hell do people always figure these things out so fast?
Do they just have a chart with numbers and just try to match up every disaster to them or what?
The Today show has an MIT nuclear expert on and he's doing nothing but spreading calm and facts about the reactor and shooting down the constant use of meltdown by the host.
Refreshing.
german news are kind of infuriating in that regard
they have greenpeace "experts" talking about how "it doesn't matter whether it's a meltdown or not, all reactors are bad mmkay", then saying stuff like "this is exactly the right time to talk about shutting down german reactors", physics professors saying "the meltdown has happened, there is only the question of how bad it will be"
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The Today show has an MIT nuclear expert on and he's doing nothing but spreading calm and facts about the reactor and shooting down the constant use of meltdown by the host.
Refreshing.
The president of the American Federation of Sciences or something was on the BBC news last night, and it was so irritating the way the newsreader was questioning him, obviously trying to find a way to get him to say things were going to shit. He even straight up asked "Should people be frightened?". Like expert advice is ever going to be "Get scared!"
They kept flashing up a headline on the screen that said "Radiation levels around the reactor 1000 times higher than normal" which annoyed me as well. What does that even mean? It just seems like scaremongering, like most people are going to automatically think that's really bad, when in actual fact normal radiation levels around a modern reactor are probably so low that 1000 times higher might just be equivalent to being on a plane or something.
On the 70th day of 2011, an 8.9 earthquake hit Japan. The Bible has 1189 chapters and 66 books; this earthquake happened 1189 days after the 66th anniversary of Pearl Harbor.
The Today show has an MIT nuclear expert on and he's doing nothing but spreading calm and facts about the reactor and shooting down the constant use of meltdown by the host.
Refreshing.
german news are kind of infuriating in that regard
they have greenpeace "experts" talking about how "it doesn't matter whether it's a meltdown or not, all reactors are bad mmkay", then saying stuff like "this is exactly the right time to talk about shutting down german reactors", physics professors saying "the meltdown has happened, there is only the question of how bad it will be"
Greenpeace is always a riot, especially if you ask them what we should be using for power.
The Today show has an MIT nuclear expert on and he's doing nothing but spreading calm and facts about the reactor and shooting down the constant use of meltdown by the host.
Refreshing.
german news are kind of infuriating in that regard
they have greenpeace "experts" talking about how "it doesn't matter whether it's a meltdown or not, all reactors are bad mmkay", then saying stuff like "this is exactly the right time to talk about shutting down german reactors", physics professors saying "the meltdown has happened, there is only the question of how bad it will be"
Greenpeace is always a riot, especially if you ask them what we should be using for power.
On the 70th day of 2011, an 8.9 earthquake hit Japan. The Bible has 1189 chapters and 66 books; this earthquake happened 1189 days after the 66th anniversary of Pearl Harbor.
I gotta stop looking at OpenBook
holy crap, that math actually works out
I fully expected it to be horseshit
No, it's still complete horseshit (and if Wolfram is right, it was actually 1190 days)
Guess what one of my friends just posted as her status update?
So looking at another person's status, it said that the US lost a lot of lives on 9.11.01 and Japan lost a lot more on 3.10.11 and when you add them up...you get 12.21.12. Weird as hell isn't it? o.O
Guess what one of my friends just posted as her status update?
So looking at another person's status, it said that the US lost a lot of lives on 9.11.01 and Japan lost a lot more on 3.10.11 and when you add them up...you get 12.21.12. Weird as hell isn't it? o.O
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tell them to kill themselves before the world ends, to prevent the suffering
your suffering
On the 70th day of 2011, an 8.9 earthquake hit Japan. The Bible has 1189 chapters and 66 books; this earthquake happened 1189 days after the 66th anniversary of Pearl Harbor.
I gotta stop looking at OpenBook
How the hell do people always figure these things out so fast?
Do they just have a chart with numbers and just try to match up every disaster to them or what?
and lo it was prophecied in the excell spreadsheet of doom in book 3 column d row 4821
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However, the ring will never leave your finger, and you will be unable to ever describe to another living person what you see.
On the 70th day of 2011, an 8.9 earthquake hit Japan. The Bible has 1189 chapters and 66 books; this earthquake happened 1189 days after the 66th anniversary of Pearl Harbor.
I gotta stop looking at OpenBook
How the hell do people always figure these things out so fast?
Do they just have a chart with numbers and just try to match up every disaster to them or what?
It helps to realize the numbers are meaningless. Basically they just find creative ways to add up/subtract/multiply/divide various data points until they find numbers that "match up" to some other set of numbers that are supposed to represent something else. It's actually more of an art form than anything else, because you're not finding any actual correlation but just playing with the numbers until you find some that appear to show correlation.
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I mean I know I shouldn't explode due to their design. But has an official from japan come out and said, nah it's guys after the top has blown?
Satans..... hints.....
actually it does, the zero of the richter scale is about 63kJ which is 15g of TNT. Any event less than that would be negative on the richter scale
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Could be, but the Chernobyl disaster was exactly what this looks a lot like: initially a coolant steam explosion. Chernobyl then was made way worse by a fire that broke out when the graphite moderatos ignited, which I think is not a thing that can happen any more. I think.
Wasn't Chernobyl the product of every possibly bad thing happening though? I feel like the Japanese may be able to prevent such an incident.
most major nuclear disasters have been the work of a lot of small problems compounding into a Big Deal.
...which is true for pretty much every big man-made disaster
But if I am remembering my high school civics course correctly the issue with Chernobyl was that everything was done wrong. It was built improperly, it was staffed incorrectly and the crisis was handled extremely poorly.
Thank goodness.
Yeah, and all those bad things led up to and caused the explosion.
So if that's what we saw here, I'd say that there's pretty good empirical evidence that they can't prevent such an incident.
But like I said, it was made way worse by the radioactive fire that ensued. That may have been averted here.
If you want to really be technical, it's not the richter scale anyway. The richter scale was developed just for the tectonic activity in California, and it hasn't been used for quite a while.
What news reports constantly call 'the richter scale' is actually the moment magnitude scale.
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I hear you & I may have attended the same university?
That's the case, yes. What's up?
That is pretty much all I have... How did you enjoy it?
chernobyl was really badly designed so that a big fuckup caused a cascading effect and runaway reaction
modern light water reactors are designed so that if cooling cuts out, the reaction slows down
it's practically impossible for them to go critical
in order for a neutron released by normal radioactivity to cause a secondary reaction, it must be slowed down by the water inside (1) there. I guess if shit got out of control, firstly the water would heat up and you would get steam bubbles which would cause there to be less water between the fuel rods and the reaction would slow down. If shit got really out of control and the reactor vessel ruptured and vented the water, there would be some radioactive leaking (and a big explosion) but the nuclear reaction would slow down.
here's a whole wiki article on boiling water reactor safety systems, which is what these reactors are.
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I liked it. I was glad to spend exactly four years in Ellensburg. The CS and Math programs leave something to be desired.
Ah, so the moderator here is water instead of graphite, which means that it won't catch on fire.
It seems like the spread of radioactive material over a large area by the fire that ensued was worse than the actual meltdown at Chernobyl, right? Except for those poor firefighters who were directly exposed, I guess.
I'm nearing my fourth year & getting ready to graduate. This past week I saw two freshmen shotgunning TreeTop apple juice cans outside of Al-Monty Hall.
I need to get out of here.
I like the book better. The faint religious undertones were left out of the movie imo.
i blame titanic.
I prefer "it's impractically possible for A to X".
glad to hear it
Refreshing.
I gotta stop looking at OpenBook
How the hell do people always figure these things out so fast?
Do they just have a chart with numbers and just try to match up every disaster to them or what?
german news are kind of infuriating in that regard
they have greenpeace "experts" talking about how "it doesn't matter whether it's a meltdown or not, all reactors are bad mmkay", then saying stuff like "this is exactly the right time to talk about shutting down german reactors", physics professors saying "the meltdown has happened, there is only the question of how bad it will be"
The president of the American Federation of Sciences or something was on the BBC news last night, and it was so irritating the way the newsreader was questioning him, obviously trying to find a way to get him to say things were going to shit. He even straight up asked "Should people be frightened?". Like expert advice is ever going to be "Get scared!"
They kept flashing up a headline on the screen that said "Radiation levels around the reactor 1000 times higher than normal" which annoyed me as well. What does that even mean? It just seems like scaremongering, like most people are going to automatically think that's really bad, when in actual fact normal radiation levels around a modern reactor are probably so low that 1000 times higher might just be equivalent to being on a plane or something.
holy crap, that math actually works out
I fully expected it to be horseshit
Greenpeace is always a riot, especially if you ask them what we should be using for power.
wh--
what do they think we should be using for power
positive thinking?
No, it's still complete horseshit (and if Wolfram is right, it was actually 1190 days)
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tell them to kill themselves before the world ends, to prevent the suffering
your suffering
Happened a couple days ago.
http://news.discovery.com/animals/mysterious-mass-fish-deaths-110310.html
Then there's this.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ivkI3fu0Mklxx4Y5fn0BiAsPWOUA?docId=db3464c35bd040ea9a460d58dced76c9
and lo it was prophecied in the excell spreadsheet of doom in book 3 column d row 4821
However, the ring will never leave your finger, and you will be unable to ever describe to another living person what you see.
It helps to realize the numbers are meaningless. Basically they just find creative ways to add up/subtract/multiply/divide various data points until they find numbers that "match up" to some other set of numbers that are supposed to represent something else. It's actually more of an art form than anything else, because you're not finding any actual correlation but just playing with the numbers until you find some that appear to show correlation.