I am OTG deficient. I can't figure it out or how to really use OTG assists. I'm starting to think even if I end up getting the TE stick I'll never get beyond a 7th rank skill level. Any time I try the more complex combos I hit the wrong button or fail an execution.
What's your team / what do you think your main issue is? You might not even need OTG's depending on the team (new combo I learned with Zero does low to mid 600's pre-DHC and uses zero OTG's).
I've been using Hulk and Chun-Li for a while now because they're terribly easy to use. My third character has been tough for me to find. Started out with Tron but that team was getting zoned out too much, then I tried Doom but his hypers suck so I couldn't do much damage with him, and now I've been trying to work in Iron Man. I'm defending against zoning characters better with him but his low-high combos are proving difficult for me and I can't figure out how to use his OTG assist to my advantage.
Assist combos are something I can't figure out so far. I've tried them in mission mode and I can't get them to work.
Biz do you think I can actually do anything useful with a Chris/Dante/Deadpool team?
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Chris needs a manly assist to protect him. I think he's better then some people do, but he needs some help.
You might be able to pull it off using Dante's Jam Session, but protecting Dante after he does it might be problematic as usually Chris is fleeing at that point.
That and two of the three have weak HP. It's a keepaway team, though, so that's mostly normal I s'pose.
Does Deadpool have any good anti-air assists? That'll be your main issue, people coming in from the air.
It could work, you just have to be very predictive on what the other guy is going to do to keep them out. Hyper and DHC to keep them away (kind of like Dormammu's doing random chaotic flames). You'll also have to live with not easily being able to combo people into oblivion. I mean, you can (I've had Chris get me good), but it's VERRRRRRRRRRY situational and you have to be on the ball in taking advantage when using runaway teams.
It generally happens when trying to escape them coming in, they take a hit, and you drill them for it.
I've been using Hulk and Chun-Li for a while now because they're terribly easy to use. My third character has been tough for me to find. Started out with Tron but that team was getting zoned out too much, then I tried Doom but his hypers suck so I couldn't do much damage with him, and now I've been trying to work in Iron Man. I'm defending against zoning characters better with him but his low-high combos are proving difficult for me and I can't figure out how to use his OTG assist to my advantage.
Assist combos are something I can't figure out so far. I've tried them in mission mode and I can't get them to work.
Who are you usually fighting with the most out on point? Hulk has an OTG assist that's not the greatest (same with Ironman), but Hulk and Ironman can self-otg and drill people, too.
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edited March 2011
Yeah I know about Hulk's OTG but he can't really combo or relaunch after them. To clarify, my OTG deficiency is actually using it to relaunch or continue a combo. It's not like it's hard for me to gamma wave or gamma tsunami after knocking an opponent to the ground.
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edited March 2011
What is an OTG assist?
And my team right now is Sentinel/Zero/Taskmaster
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edited March 2011
It's an assist that hits someone on the ground before they can recover so you can continue to combo
Sentinel's Rocket Punch L is a good example of a move that hits OTG, though I'm not sure if the assist hits OTG
Yeah I know about Hulk's OTG but he can't really combo or relaunch after them. To clarify, my OTG deficiency is actually using it to relaunch or continue a combo. It's not like it's hard for me to gamma wave or gamma tsunami after knocking an opponent to the ground.
Hulk can, actually.
Do an air combo, be very careful with the controller and end the air combo with S. It'll spike them into the ground.
If you're in the corner, as soon as you hit S, start charging backwards.
When you land, watch your opponent. When he bounces and lands after the bounce, trigger a light gamma wave (A).
This'll pop them up. You can then trigger Gamma Crush (do it basically immediately after the light gamma wave) and you'll combo into it.
Unsure if Chun Li has anything to DHC into from it, but at least that'll work.
Another thing you can do is..
Hulk Air throw --> Trigger Ironman's OTG Assist at the height of Hulk's hop after the air throw (when he throws them down, he moves up in the air a bit). When Hulk lands, Ironman should be popping out to throw his bombs.
Now, this works with Wesker, so the timing is diff sometimes, but the OTG should hit most characters. You can then re-launch them into an air combo and have your fun with them.
Sentinel's Rocket Punch L is a good example of a move that hits OTG, though I'm not sure if the assist hits OTG
It does. It's pretty good, but then so are drones, so you don't see it a lot.
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edited March 2011
Well what else could I replace? I like Deadpool and Chris (Deadpool has his handguns shoot at a 45 degree angle for AA) but I want more gun for the two hole and I'm not really enjoying Dante. He's a lot of flash and a good character, but I'm not feeling him.
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edited March 2011
Dante's biggest stregth from what I can tell is he can cancel out of fucking everything and it's really annoying.
Well what else could I replace? I like Deadpool and Chris (Deadpool has his handguns shoot at a 45 degree angle for AA) but I want more gun for the two hole and I'm not really enjoying Dante. He's a lot of flash and a good character, but I'm not feeling him.
I didn't say it wouldn't work, you just can't really make a lot of mistakes with your team due to HP (low on Dante and 'Pool) and that it's a keepaway team.
Have you tried Doom? He has a pistol.
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edited March 2011
I imagine hidden missiles on any keep away team is kind of annoying
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I dunno right now outside of being an anchor.
Right now I don't have a whole lot of concrete thoughts. It's "I like characters X Y Z A B C how do I make them work." Just going to take a bunch of fuckin' around to see what I like and dislike for the time being.
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What assists work best with Taksmaster and Zero? And who would be a great third person for the team? I've used sentinel, but the nerf to his health has hurt him bunches.
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edited March 2011
Tron? High Health and some good combos using King Kobon and lunch rush, and her flame assist is great and difficult to punish.
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Er, not tron. I hate tron.
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I've been using Hulk and Chun-Li for a while now because they're terribly easy to use. My third character has been tough for me to find. Started out with Tron but that team was getting zoned out too much, then I tried Doom but his hypers suck so I couldn't do much damage with him, and now I've been trying to work in Iron Man. I'm defending against zoning characters better with him but his low-high combos are proving difficult for me and I can't figure out how to use his OTG assist to my advantage.
Assist combos are something I can't figure out so far. I've tried them in mission mode and I can't get them to work.
Chris needs a manly assist to protect him. I think he's better then some people do, but he needs some help.
You might be able to pull it off using Dante's Jam Session, but protecting Dante after he does it might be problematic as usually Chris is fleeing at that point.
That and two of the three have weak HP. It's a keepaway team, though, so that's mostly normal I s'pose.
Does Deadpool have any good anti-air assists? That'll be your main issue, people coming in from the air.
It could work, you just have to be very predictive on what the other guy is going to do to keep them out. Hyper and DHC to keep them away (kind of like Dormammu's doing random chaotic flames). You'll also have to live with not easily being able to combo people into oblivion. I mean, you can (I've had Chris get me good), but it's VERRRRRRRRRRY situational and you have to be on the ball in taking advantage when using runaway teams.
It generally happens when trying to escape them coming in, they take a hit, and you drill them for it.
Who are you usually fighting with the most out on point? Hulk has an OTG assist that's not the greatest (same with Ironman), but Hulk and Ironman can self-otg and drill people, too.
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And my team right now is Sentinel/Zero/Taskmaster
Sentinel's Rocket Punch L is a good example of a move that hits OTG, though I'm not sure if the assist hits OTG
Hulk can, actually.
Do an air combo, be very careful with the controller and end the air combo with S. It'll spike them into the ground.
If you're in the corner, as soon as you hit S, start charging backwards.
When you land, watch your opponent. When he bounces and lands after the bounce, trigger a light gamma wave (A).
This'll pop them up. You can then trigger Gamma Crush (do it basically immediately after the light gamma wave) and you'll combo into it.
Unsure if Chun Li has anything to DHC into from it, but at least that'll work.
Another thing you can do is..
Hulk Air throw --> Trigger Ironman's OTG Assist at the height of Hulk's hop after the air throw (when he throws them down, he moves up in the air a bit). When Hulk lands, Ironman should be popping out to throw his bombs.
Now, this works with Wesker, so the timing is diff sometimes, but the OTG should hit most characters. You can then re-launch them into an air combo and have your fun with them.
It does. It's pretty good, but then so are drones, so you don't see it a lot.
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I didn't say it wouldn't work, you just can't really make a lot of mistakes with your team due to HP (low on Dante and 'Pool) and that it's a keepaway team.
Have you tried Doom? He has a pistol.
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Amusingly, the teams I've seen of Chris / Doom / Haggar don't use Hidden Missiles. They use his beam, instead.
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All of Doom's assists are good.
I was also thinking Chris/Taskmaster/Wesker
Seriously, that's the best way. Seeing an attack over and over again until it's ingrained in your reflexes of what it does and how to stop it.
Alternatively, playing a character you have issues with til you are very good with them.
The end result is the same, your body recognizes it and reacts and you don't have to waste time thinking.
Wesker is an awesome anchor, I use him myself.
That being said, what is his role on this team.
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360. I'll probably get it on the PS3 in a month or so.
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Right now I don't have a whole lot of concrete thoughts. It's "I like characters X Y Z A B C how do I make them work." Just going to take a bunch of fuckin' around to see what I like and dislike for the time being.
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