AOE pools are also nice because you can direct and control enemies with them. I used to do it all the time with Nasus, using the pool to constantly keep enemy teams out of position, because no one will ever stand in his pool. Even if it's only level 1 and does laughable damage.
Weird weekend, had some really good games. Realizing that Ryze is kind of a fun pub stomper, and really starting to like Alistar. But then I get into games where people are just constantly doing dumb shit and I wonder why I bother to play.
Hey 3 people that I just totally saved as Alistar, when I ground pound + headbutt to save you, don't fucking run back in to die!
Kind of like when I play WW in the Jungle. I even tell my mid before hand that I'm coming in to gank. And that she (LeBlanc) and Rumble (who happened to be in mid at the time as well) need to commit when I flank them.
I head in as WW. LeBlanc and Rumble run away at full health. Nidalee and Morde own me.
I am coming to the conclusion that team composition in public queue doesn't mean a damn thing.
Play whoever you are best with and if you end up in a game with four other people playing who they are best at and you win.
yeah all this is 100% wrong
i know this is the league of rent's bad opinions but this is objectively wrong
He is actually pretty much correct.
Imagine this, im really good with Trundle, Kat, etc, and the rest of the team has their most favoritist best champion. I would MUCH rather have someone play a character they are actually good with than, having someone roll a champion they suck with.
Summoner 1: Hey can anyone jungle?
Summoner 2: Well I have Warwick but....
Summoner 1: Good do it, and dont suck, douche
Summoner 2: /sobs quietly to himself
Summoner 1: We need a tank!
Summoner 3: Well i have Galio...
Summoner 1: Good, dont fail retard.
etc etc etc.
People will fail harder with champs they arent good with, that is a fact. Regardless of the "perfect" team comp, i have played countless games without tanks, or without a hardcore stun team.
The only reason Vayne isn't making me rage insanely hard is because Teemo shits all over her and it makes me giggle.
Hrm... Teemo vs. Vayne.... Teemo wins because of mushrooms, but I think that a straight up fight wothout mushroom gardens, Vayne may pull it out (and then die from the DOT)
The only reason Vayne isn't making me rage insanely hard is because Teemo shits all over her and it makes me giggle.
Hrm... Teemo vs. Vayne.... Teemo wins because of mushrooms, but I think that a straight up fight wothout mushroom gardens, Vayne may pull it out (and then die from the DOT)
Blinding shot then shoot her in the mouth
Teemo shits on autoattack champions that are close to his range
People will fail harder with champs they arent good with, that is a fact. Regardless of the "perfect" team comp, i have played countless games without tanks, or without a hardcore stun team.
Tough to say really, I still think you've got better odds to win with a balanced team pick, but that's going on the idea that everyone should have a stable of champs they can play well. But I've also won with, and lost to all dps teams, team fat, team heal, and so on, and in every case it was become someone fed during the lane phase.
With blind pick you just never know what you're coming up against, so maybe the only thing that really matters is team coordination.
The only reason Vayne isn't making me rage insanely hard is because Teemo shits all over her and it makes me giggle.
Hrm... Teemo vs. Vayne.... Teemo wins because of mushrooms, but I think that a straight up fight wothout mushroom gardens, Vayne may pull it out (and then die from the DOT)
Blinding shot then shoot her in the mouth
Teemo shits on autoattack champions that are close to his range
Malz's pool is a massive area denial. Especially late game, nobody wants to be caught in that thing when it has potential to do 80% of their HP if they get stuck in it (before MR). It's great when they have melee heroes defending a tower... you just pool the tower, and now they don't want to fight the guys punching the tower. You can throw the pool so that it juts out a bit behind the tower when you are trying to push it down, and it just forces everybody back.
A lot of other heroes with big aoe slows/obstacles make the pool a nightmare. Vlad and Malz together just ruin people. Malz and Karth ruin people (huge aoe slow that allows drops MR!). Anivia's wall and ult practically force people to get stuck in it for some duration (either they go around the wall and walk through the pool, or they brave the slow and walk through the pool).
It does bother me somewhat that I have yet to deviate significantly from the skill order QEEWER (then R>E>W>Q) or from the doran's ring -> boots and gem -> lvl 2 boots -> deathcap. It feels like I'm running the same thing every game but every game the other team gets rolled.
That pisses me off, because if it can't miss it should be an ability. But spell shields don't eat tumble shots. Also, I think some kind of physical damage version of madred's blood razor should be added to the game. Something that does % of health as physical damage. It pisses me off that you can just stack MR to counter one of the few anti-tank ITEMS in the game. At least have a version of the item that does physical damage so they have to build more than just HP + MR
Hmmm I mean it probably isn't nearly as bad now, Teemo vs Vayne. I haven't tried it, but with the tenacity changes I'd imagine vayne would mess up teemo one she got mercs.
That pisses me off, because if it can't miss it should be an ability. But spell shields don't eat tumble shots. Also, I think some kind of physical damage version of madred's blood razor should be added to the game. Something that does % of health as physical damage. It pisses me off that you can just stack MR to counter one of the few anti-tank ITEMS in the game. At least have a version of the item that does physical damage so they have to build more than just HP + MR
It'd be interesting if Madred's dealt ~2% damage instead of 4% but did true damage instead.
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I've been going Ghost/Teleport with Nasus, so I can get around and push those lanes when needed
Kinda want to drop Teleport for Exhaust though, for Exhaust/Wither hilarity
And yeah, it's funny how people scatter to avoid Nasus' circle of fire. Barely does any damage, it's more for killing minions or reducing champ armor. Though I have killed a champ really low on a health a few times when they were trying to run by throwing it in front of them.
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I just had a game where enemy Kayle was pushing top the entire game, and I kept ganking her. We had a trynd that also kept pushing bot the entire game, except the enemy would basically ignore him until after teamfights.
She was giving 90 gold a kill or something around there, and kept calling her team bad for not winning offensive pushes 4v3. While I was killing her for the 7th time, the enemy killed our inhib tower and she said "Hope it was worth losing your base for 50 gold from killing me."
I proceeded to 1v3 triple kill and ace the surviving enemy team. "Nope, it was worth getting 20 stack Mejai's though." The counterpush from that killed two enemy inhibitors, eventually securing us the game.
Moral of the story: Snowball items are beastmode when going up against revive teams or players who rely on giving 0 gold on death.
I've been going Ghost/Teleport with Nasus, so I can get around and push those lanes when needed
Kinda want to drop Teleport for Exhaust though, for Exhaust/Wither hilarity
And yeah, it's funny how people scatter to avoid Nasus' circle of fire. Barely does any damage, it's more for killing minions or reducing champ armor. Though I have killed a champ really low on a health a few times when they were trying to run by throwing it in front of them.
I've found exhaust to not really be worth it on Nasus, he already has a slow, Cleanse will probably do you better.
The only reason Vayne isn't making me rage insanely hard is because Teemo shits all over her and it makes me giggle.
Hrm... Teemo vs. Vayne.... Teemo wins because of mushrooms, but I think that a straight up fight wothout mushroom gardens, Vayne may pull it out (and then die from the DOT)
Blinding shot then shoot her in the mouth
Teemo shits on autoattack champions that are close to his range
Vayne lanes decently well against Teemo, though
you can't miss tumble shots!
yeh, Q into teemo, E his ass away, he'll hit you with his blinding dart, but have to get back into range, when you should be able to tumble again, and you'll be hitting with your reg shots, and W should proc at least once or twice in there....
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Horrible new guy question, but is there a time that the patches/new heroes drop every week on Tuesday? I'm looking for the hour, central or eastern time. And are they announced earlier? I couldn't find that on the website. Thanks!
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I've been going Ghost/Teleport with Nasus, so I can get around and push those lanes when needed
Kinda want to drop Teleport for Exhaust though, for Exhaust/Wither hilarity
And yeah, it's funny how people scatter to avoid Nasus' circle of fire. Barely does any damage, it's more for killing minions or reducing champ armor. Though I have killed a champ really low on a health a few times when they were trying to run by throwing it in front of them.
I've found exhaust to not really be worth it on Nasus, he already has a slow, Cleanse will probably do you better.
Yeah, I more just wanted to try it for the silliness
Shut down that one asshole for good, or put one on each of their highest DPSers in a teamfight
But yeah, I was considering trying out Cleanse too.
Horrible new guy question, but is there a time that the patches/new heroes drop every week on Tuesday? I'm looking for the hour, central or eastern time. And are they announced earlier? I couldn't find that on the website. Thanks!
Whenever they feel like it pretty much
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Horrible new guy question, but is there a time that the patches/new heroes drop every week on Tuesday? I'm looking for the hour, central or eastern time. And are they announced earlier? I couldn't find that on the website. Thanks!
No, they are administered by a person rather than a machine. They can be anywhere from a day early to days late.
New patches/heroes come out every other week unless otherwise announced. So this coming week will just be a free hero rotation (also administered by hand). Patch previews are usually a couple days before important patches (patch notes sometimes leak sooner), and champion spotlights are usually 1-2 days before the champ comes out.
For example, here's a patch preview for the patch three weeks ago (came out the day before):
Hmmm I mean it probably isn't nearly as bad now, Teemo vs Vayne. I haven't tried it, but with the tenacity changes I'd imagine vayne would mess up teemo one she got mercs.
Why is everyone stuck on Mercs - get one of the 25 tenacity items, and get the boots of swiftness, plus whatever other items give a speed boost. vayne can be zipping around faster than teemo...
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Ev'rything is satisfactual
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Wonderful feeling, feeling this way
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It is the truth, it's actual... huh?
Where is that bluebird? Mm-hm!
Ev'rything is satisfactual
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You remind me of a song
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My, oh my, what a wonderful day
Plenty of ganking headin' my way
Zip-a-dee-doo-dah, zip-a-dee-ay
Swain has a bird on his shoulder
It's the truth, it's actual
Ev'rything is satisfactual
Zip-a-dee-doo-dah, zip-a-dee-ay
Wonderful feeling, wonderful day, yes sir!
Zip-a-dee-doo-dah, zip-a-dee-ay
My, oh my, what a wonderful day
Plenty of gankin headin' my way
Zip-a-dee-doo-dah, zip-a-dee-ay
Swain has a bird on his shoulder
It's the truth, it's actual
Ev'rything is satisfactual
Zip-a-dee-doo-dah, zip-a-dee-ay
Wonderful feeling, feeling this way
Swain has a bird on his shoulder
It is the truth, it's actual... huh?
Where is that bird? CAW-CAW!
Ev'rything is satisfactual
Zip-a-dee-doo-dah, zip-a-dee-ay
I'll take requests to change a song into LOL theme!
Malz's pool is a massive area denial. Especially late game, nobody wants to be caught in that thing when it has potential to do 80% of their HP if they get stuck in it (before MR). It's great when they have melee heroes defending a tower... you just pool the tower, and now they don't want to fight the guys punching the tower. You can throw the pool so that it juts out a bit behind the tower when you are trying to push it down, and it just forces everybody back.
A lot of other heroes with big aoe slows/obstacles make the pool a nightmare. Vlad and Malz together just ruin people. Malz and Karth ruin people (huge aoe slow that allows drops MR!). Anivia's wall and ult practically force people to get stuck in it for some duration (either they go around the wall and walk through the pool, or they brave the slow and walk through the pool).
It does bother me somewhat that I have yet to deviate significantly from the skill order QEEWER (then R>E>W>Q) or from the doran's ring -> boots and gem -> lvl 2 boots -> deathcap. It feels like I'm running the same thing every game but every game the other team gets rolled.
Why do you prioritize W or E? W is my last skill, its great late game, just not early.
Also, there are some more valid item openings for Malz
Boots + Pots
Mana Crystal + Pots
Pendant + Pots
So yeah, all the Vayne OP complaining is premature as usual. After playing so many games against her and a few as her, she's really nothing special. I mean, she's good, but not " o god a Vayne" good.
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I'm dead serious."
maxing w second is awesome because then when you ult combo them they take a ton of % health damage while they're forced to stand on it
It's way better to max Q before that. Q has uses outside the combo, and the difference between rank 1 and rank 3 W of it is pointless, whereas the Q silence is a big deal. W doesn't even get good till you get your 2nd AP item. Rank 1 and park it. Q silence duration is the key to landing the combo in the first place. Hit them with a Q, flash in (E), W, R.
They're not flashing away or doing jack, they are dead. 1 or 2 Q harasses combined with an E landing on them off a creep is your kill setup.
So yeah, all the Vayne OP complaining is premature as usual. After playing so many games against her and a few as her, she's really nothing special. I mean, she's good, but not " o god a Vayne" good.
my main issue with her is the frequent in and out stealth in teamfights. that's just plain irritating
I think her passive and her ult's effect on her passive emphasizes the "she is hunting you" thing without needing stealth
Noob question, but is there a good site/wiki that has a list of suggested champion builds? I've found some good stuff on champions and their powers and some general strategy, but little regarding item specifics.
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Solomid.net has the best guides, but take item builds with a grain of salt. There is a lot to consider when choosing an item build for each character. Some item choices are a lot like runes in where one isn't wrong, but it emphasizing one thing over another which will only be good if you playing that way.
I think the item build choices on some characters is way more complicated then people give credit for.
Hmmm I mean it probably isn't nearly as bad now, Teemo vs Vayne. I haven't tried it, but with the tenacity changes I'd imagine vayne would mess up teemo one she got mercs.
Why is everyone stuck on Mercs - get one of the 25 tenacity items, and get the boots of swiftness, plus whatever other items give a speed boost. vayne can be zipping around faster than teemo...
All except the support tenacity are really really bad in terms what effects you get and how much gold they cost. I use movespeed quints which give me practically boots3-speed with any speed2-boots.
Lol, watching Bob stream and some guy was giving him shit. So he opens up a little text file on his desk top, and adds him to some running shit list. HAAHA
Noob question, but is there a good site/wiki that has a list of suggested champion builds? I've found some good stuff on champions and their powers and some general strategy, but little regarding item specifics.
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Kind of like when I play WW in the Jungle. I even tell my mid before hand that I'm coming in to gank. And that she (LeBlanc) and Rumble (who happened to be in mid at the time as well) need to commit when I flank them.
I head in as WW. LeBlanc and Rumble run away at full health. Nidalee and Morde own me.
WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
He is actually pretty much correct.
Imagine this, im really good with Trundle, Kat, etc, and the rest of the team has their most favoritist best champion. I would MUCH rather have someone play a character they are actually good with than, having someone roll a champion they suck with.
Summoner 1: Hey can anyone jungle?
Summoner 2: Well I have Warwick but....
Summoner 1: Good do it, and dont suck, douche
Summoner 2: /sobs quietly to himself
Summoner 1: We need a tank!
Summoner 3: Well i have Galio...
Summoner 1: Good, dont fail retard.
etc etc etc.
People will fail harder with champs they arent good with, that is a fact. Regardless of the "perfect" team comp, i have played countless games without tanks, or without a hardcore stun team.
Hrm... Teemo vs. Vayne.... Teemo wins because of mushrooms, but I think that a straight up fight wothout mushroom gardens, Vayne may pull it out (and then die from the DOT)
Joe's Stream.
Blinding shot then shoot her in the mouth
Teemo shits on autoattack champions that are close to his range
Tough to say really, I still think you've got better odds to win with a balanced team pick, but that's going on the idea that everyone should have a stable of champs they can play well. But I've also won with, and lost to all dps teams, team fat, team heal, and so on, and in every case it was become someone fed during the lane phase.
With blind pick you just never know what you're coming up against, so maybe the only thing that really matters is team coordination.
Vayne lanes decently well against Teemo, though
you can't miss tumble shots!
A lot of other heroes with big aoe slows/obstacles make the pool a nightmare. Vlad and Malz together just ruin people. Malz and Karth ruin people (huge aoe slow that allows drops MR!). Anivia's wall and ult practically force people to get stuck in it for some duration (either they go around the wall and walk through the pool, or they brave the slow and walk through the pool).
It does bother me somewhat that I have yet to deviate significantly from the skill order QEEWER (then R>E>W>Q) or from the doran's ring -> boots and gem -> lvl 2 boots -> deathcap. It feels like I'm running the same thing every game but every game the other team gets rolled.
That pisses me off, because if it can't miss it should be an ability. But spell shields don't eat tumble shots. Also, I think some kind of physical damage version of madred's blood razor should be added to the game. Something that does % of health as physical damage. It pisses me off that you can just stack MR to counter one of the few anti-tank ITEMS in the game. At least have a version of the item that does physical damage so they have to build more than just HP + MR
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It'd be interesting if Madred's dealt ~2% damage instead of 4% but did true damage instead.
Kinda want to drop Teleport for Exhaust though, for Exhaust/Wither hilarity
And yeah, it's funny how people scatter to avoid Nasus' circle of fire. Barely does any damage, it's more for killing minions or reducing champ armor. Though I have killed a champ really low on a health a few times when they were trying to run by throwing it in front of them.
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She was giving 90 gold a kill or something around there, and kept calling her team bad for not winning offensive pushes 4v3. While I was killing her for the 7th time, the enemy killed our inhib tower and she said "Hope it was worth losing your base for 50 gold from killing me."
I proceeded to 1v3 triple kill and ace the surviving enemy team. "Nope, it was worth getting 20 stack Mejai's though." The counterpush from that killed two enemy inhibitors, eventually securing us the game.
Moral of the story: Snowball items are beastmode when going up against revive teams or players who rely on giving 0 gold on death.
I've found exhaust to not really be worth it on Nasus, he already has a slow, Cleanse will probably do you better.
Like some endless counter somewhere that's at some number we can't even imagine.
yeh, Q into teemo, E his ass away, he'll hit you with his blinding dart, but have to get back into range, when you should be able to tumble again, and you'll be hitting with your reg shots, and W should proc at least once or twice in there....
AS/AD, I thinks for Vayne.
Joe's Stream.
Yeah, I more just wanted to try it for the silliness
Shut down that one asshole for good, or put one on each of their highest DPSers in a teamfight
But yeah, I was considering trying out Cleanse too.
Whenever they feel like it pretty much
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yuck.
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but you gotta get the AS up before you can get the warmogs going.
and then you crush everyone.
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There is. It's secretly disguised as something else, though.
No, they are administered by a person rather than a machine. They can be anywhere from a day early to days late.
New patches/heroes come out every other week unless otherwise announced. So this coming week will just be a free hero rotation (also administered by hand). Patch previews are usually a couple days before important patches (patch notes sometimes leak sooner), and champion spotlights are usually 1-2 days before the champ comes out.
For example, here's a patch preview for the patch three weeks ago (came out the day before):
And here's a champion spotlight:
Why is everyone stuck on Mercs - get one of the 25 tenacity items, and get the boots of swiftness, plus whatever other items give a speed boost. vayne can be zipping around faster than teemo...
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Zip-a-dee-doo-dah, zip-a-dee-ay
My, oh my, what a wonderful day
Plenty of sunshine headin' my way
Zip-a-dee-doo-dah, zip-a-dee-ay
Mister Bluebird's on my shoulder
It's the truth, it's actual
Ev'rything is satisfactual
Zip-a-dee-doo-dah, zip-a-dee-ay
Wonderful feeling, wonderful day, yes sir!
Zip-a-dee-doo-dah, zip-a-dee-ay
My, oh my, what a wonderful day
Plenty of sunshine headin' my way
Zip-a-dee-doo-dah, zip-a-dee-ay
Mister Bluebird's on my shoulder
It's the truth, it's actual
Ev'rything is satisfactual
Zip-a-dee-doo-dah, zip-a-dee-ay
Wonderful feeling, feeling this way
Mister Bluebird's on my shoulder
It is the truth, it's actual... huh?
Where is that bluebird? Mm-hm!
Ev'rything is satisfactual
Zip-a-dee-doo-dah, zip-a-dee-ay
OH, let me change it to LOL terms
You remind me of a song
Zip-a-dee-doo-dah, zip-a-dee-ay
My, oh my, what a wonderful day
Plenty of ganking headin' my way
Zip-a-dee-doo-dah, zip-a-dee-ay
Swain has a bird on his shoulder
It's the truth, it's actual
Ev'rything is satisfactual
Zip-a-dee-doo-dah, zip-a-dee-ay
Wonderful feeling, wonderful day, yes sir!
Zip-a-dee-doo-dah, zip-a-dee-ay
My, oh my, what a wonderful day
Plenty of gankin headin' my way
Zip-a-dee-doo-dah, zip-a-dee-ay
Swain has a bird on his shoulder
It's the truth, it's actual
Ev'rything is satisfactual
Zip-a-dee-doo-dah, zip-a-dee-ay
Wonderful feeling, feeling this way
Swain has a bird on his shoulder
It is the truth, it's actual... huh?
Where is that bird? CAW-CAW!
Ev'rything is satisfactual
Zip-a-dee-doo-dah, zip-a-dee-ay
I'll take requests to change a song into LOL theme!
Why do you prioritize W or E? W is my last skill, its great late game, just not early.
Also, there are some more valid item openings for Malz
Boots + Pots
Mana Crystal + Pots
Pendant + Pots
I'm dead serious."
It's way better to max Q before that. Q has uses outside the combo, and the difference between rank 1 and rank 3 W of it is pointless, whereas the Q silence is a big deal. W doesn't even get good till you get your 2nd AP item. Rank 1 and park it. Q silence duration is the key to landing the combo in the first place. Hit them with a Q, flash in (E), W, R.
They're not flashing away or doing jack, they are dead. 1 or 2 Q harasses combined with an E landing on them off a creep is your kill setup.
my main issue with her is the frequent in and out stealth in teamfights. that's just plain irritating
I think her passive and her ult's effect on her passive emphasizes the "she is hunting you" thing without needing stealth
it's a guide by guide basis on how up-to-date or specific the guides are. People here have given me great tips on stuff.
I think the item build choices on some characters is way more complicated then people give credit for.
and/or.. ahem.... DEMACIAAAAAAAAAAAA.
(nothing pisses off an enemy team like shouting that when I get a kill)
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