So, can Barry basically give anyone super speed if all he needs is chemicals and a shit ton of lightning?
Also Batman 2:
WHAT THE FUCK
Part of me thinks, "That's ridiculous, that's just a ridiculous twist for the sake of being crazy, you might as well reveal Darkseid is Alfred in this dimension."
But it's a small part. 90% of me is going OH SHIT.
See, I disagree with that. I think it's absolute genius on so many levels that it's scary.
(NB: I reveal BIG Flashpoint: Batman 2 spoilers. Don't read if you're looking for a tease!)
Mostly because in Flashpoint The Joker's 'one bad day' comment becomes fact. Bruce Wayne dies as a kid, and both his parents snap because of their loss. Martha, the caring mother, becomes an absolute psychopath who's lost the most precious thing in the world and doesn't see why anyone else should get to be happy. Thomas, the stoic doctor, becomes determined to stop any other parent suffering through the same loss through a life of crime.
I mean it is really fucked up at the same time, but also gives a solid reason why Thomas wants out of this world. It isn't just Bruce being alive, it's a world where his wife didn't turn into a homicidal pseudo-clown and go around being psychotic.
It also adds a rather hilarious text to the 'foe-yay' subtext between Batman and The Joker. This timelines version have, probably and disturbingly, gotten busy since the shift. Which is also rather amusing given it's an extreme version of Batman and Catwoman, with Batman a crazy former doctor and Catwoman his nutso wife whose kid was shot for some pearls.
I'll actually be sad when this is over, and they switch this out. Hopefully The Joker remembers, and starts messing with Bruce by leaving him 'Bruce, your mother was a doll' style notes.
So, can Barry basically give anyone super speed if all he needs is chemicals and a shit ton of lightning?
Also Batman 2:
WHAT THE FUCK
Part of me thinks, "That's ridiculous, that's just a ridiculous twist for the sake of being crazy, you might as well reveal Darkseid is Alfred in this dimension."
But it's a small part. 90% of me is going OH SHIT.
See, I disagree with that. I think it's absolute genius on so many levels that it's scary.
(NB: I reveal BIG Flashpoint: Batman 2 spoilers. Don't read if you're looking for a tease!)
Mostly because in Flashpoint The Joker's 'one bad day' comment becomes fact. Bruce Wayne dies as a kid, and both his parents snap because of their loss. Martha, the caring mother, becomes an absolute psychopath who's lost the most precious thing in the world and doesn't see why anyone else should get to be happy. Thomas, the stoic doctor, becomes determined to stop any other parent suffering through the same loss through a life of crime.
I mean it is really fucked up at the same time, but also gives a solid reason why Thomas wants out of this world. It isn't just Bruce being alive, it's a world where his wife didn't turn into a homicidal pseudo-clown and go around being psychotic.
It also adds a rather hilarious text to the 'foe-yay' subtext between Batman and The Joker. This timelines version have, probably and disturbingly, gotten busy since the shift. Which is also rather amusing given it's an extreme version of Batman and Catwoman, with Batman a crazy former doctor and Catwoman his nutso wife whose kid was shot for some pearls.
I'll actually be sad when this is over, and they switch this out. Hopefully The Joker remembers, and starts messing with Bruce by leaving him 'Bruce, your mother was a doll' style notes.
That moment between Barry and Thomas when they first recruit Cyborg
actually makes me think that Thomas isn't trying to prevent the same tragedy that killed Bruce. Whereas Bruce turned his grief into something constructive, Thomas is just lashing out without any concern for a bigger picture. He didn't want to fight the Amazons and Atlanteans because he's past the point of caring what happens to the world.
He didn't become Batman to accomplish anything. He became Batman because he was driven insane.
P.S. I'm talking about that scene where Barry asks if Thomas ever cared about "the mission," or something like that.
Abandoning medicine and starting Wayne Casinos provides further proof that this Batman isn't concerned with helping Gotham or its citizens. There's no altruism or quixotic mission to vanquish evil. He probably just wants to hurt as many people as he can, then get shot and die in an alley like his son.
It's pretty similar to the nervous breakdown that Bendis put Daredevil through.
My comic shop ran out of issues of the first issue of the Wonder Woman mini. Did I miss anything important in there? I don't know if he's gonna get restocked on that one or not.
Yeah, so Flashpoint: Batman 2 wins the award. I don't think anything else in this event is going to top it.
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When I was a little kid, I always pretended I was the hero,' Skip said.
'Fuck yeah, me too. What little kid ever pretended to be part of the lynch-mob?'
I will say that Flashpoint: Secret Seven could be the worst thing ever. Maybe I'm missing... everything... but it is just a disjointed mess.
Sentry on
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
wrote:
When I was a little kid, I always pretended I was the hero,' Skip said.
'Fuck yeah, me too. What little kid ever pretended to be part of the lynch-mob?'
My comic shop ran out of issues of the first issue of the Wonder Woman mini. Did I miss anything important in there? I don't know if he's gonna get restocked on that one or not.
As far as I can tell, it's the back story of how the Amazon/Atlantean war came to be. It's up to you if you that's more important, but the end result is already given. They fight, Europe is sunk, the UK is new Themyscira.
So, can Barry basically give anyone super speed if all he needs is chemicals and a shit ton of lightning?
Also Batman 2:
WHAT THE FUCK
Part of me thinks, "That's ridiculous, that's just a ridiculous twist for the sake of being crazy, you might as well reveal Darkseid is Alfred in this dimension."
But it's a small part. 90% of me is going OH SHIT.
See, I disagree with that. I think it's absolute genius on so many levels that it's scary.
(NB: I reveal BIG Flashpoint: Batman 2 spoilers. Don't read if you're looking for a tease!)
Mostly because in Flashpoint The Joker's 'one bad day' comment becomes fact. Bruce Wayne dies as a kid, and both his parents snap because of their loss. Martha, the caring mother, becomes an absolute psychopath who's lost the most precious thing in the world and doesn't see why anyone else should get to be happy. Thomas, the stoic doctor, becomes determined to stop any other parent suffering through the same loss through a life of crime.
I mean it is really fucked up at the same time, but also gives a solid reason why Thomas wants out of this world. It isn't just Bruce being alive, it's a world where his wife didn't turn into a homicidal pseudo-clown and go around being psychotic.
It also adds a rather hilarious text to the 'foe-yay' subtext between Batman and The Joker. This timelines version have, probably and disturbingly, gotten busy since the shift. Which is also rather amusing given it's an extreme version of Batman and Catwoman, with Batman a crazy former doctor and Catwoman his nutso wife whose kid was shot for some pearls.
I'll actually be sad when this is over, and they switch this out. Hopefully The Joker remembers, and starts messing with Bruce by leaving him 'Bruce, your mother was a doll' style notes.
No, no, I agree in part
That Martha becoming psychotic is a compelling and interesting twist and adds more depth to Thomas Wayne's story. It's just as The Joker?
Remember when all we had were the solicits and we thought Batman: Knight of Vengeance was just gonna be Bruce running a casino?
The one thing I find disconcerting about Knight of Vengeance is that Thomas Wayne looks pretty different from the main Flashpoint series. In the main Flashpoint he has a kindly scruffy look, with an unshaven face and a built physique. In KoV he almost looks more like a Mafia Don or like Bruce in Dark Knight Returns. I mean, I like both, but it's just an annoying disconnect.
I'm wondering if they'll resolve the Aqua-Wonder War in 4 or 5.
I've loved the main mini so far, but they're running low on time and I'm really afraid of a rushed ending.
It's kind of a downer, because these shorter events normally have a pretty great build and then a terrible, rushed ending (See: Siege, Shadowland, War of the Supermen).
Johns, so far this is one of the best things you've written. By being an altered timeline, it's been free of your weird continuity kerfuffles and wtf nonsense moments (For both, See: Everything he has done with the Anti-Monitor, ever). It's your game to lose, pal.
I'm the opposite in that I think flashpoint has been exceptionally bland. Issue 2 in particular was terrible.
I imagine that the world-building seems pointless to anyone who's reading the tie-ins, which reveal much more about the supporting cast and make their brief appearances in the main book seem paltry.
But unfortunately, those appearances are really the meat of the first few issues of Flashpoint.
And then there's Barry having to get hit by lightning twice, which only managed to kill a few pages and create an unnecessary cliffhanger. Hell, why couldn't he just start the event with his powers intact?
As someone buying half of the tie-ins, I can tell you that none of the ones I've read have added enough information, setting, detail, and flare to really be necessary beyond the main flashpoint mini. Even the big ones about Aquaman and Wonder Woman feel really drawn-out and bland so far, and the origin of their war is so flat that I imagine it will probably be covered entirely in a two page spread before the end of the main mini.
Batman is by far the best of the tie-ins, and it's also one of the ones that does the least blatant world building. It takes the absolute core of the premise and runs with it, but it doesn't stop to explain why someone else is oracle in this universe, or how Batman's gambling empire came to be.
Literally the biggest parts so far of the minis that have appeared in the main book were those crossover scenes. Lois Lane meeting the Resistance for the first time, Aquaman fighting Deathstroke, etc.
Yeah, I wasn't a fan of the Wonder Woman, Aquaman, or Lois Lane tie-ins to be honest. They were pretty boring.
I'm totally digging Batman, Abin Sur, Deadman and the Flying Graysons, Project Superman, and Deathstroke, though.
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I think the best issue I read was the Green Arrow Industries one. It felt the most original.
I kind of gave up buying the other minis because they weren't that interesting, and like was mentioned, the biggest reveal of the Lois Lane mini showed up in the main series.
Apparently Johns' storytelling strategy for this mini was "All telling, no showing" and there is just... there's nothing to this thing. It's not good writing.
Yeah, I'm not sure what I really thing about Flashpoint 4. I mean it has some cool moments I guess, but I dunno.
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It was bad because it was 90% talk. And outside of Barry trying to get his powers that's all the series has been, talk.
Captain Thunder doesn't even get a chance to get a good punch in on WW, and then you have Enchantress turn heel. That's what bummed me out the most, that and how it looks like Booster really won't be showing up to help out, which I thought he would, him or Bart.
Yeah, I agree. I've liked the mini up until this issue, and I liked most of this issue, but they totally botched
the whole Atlantean/Amazon war, and the Superheroes joining up to stop it
so badly that it brought the whole series down a few notches. It looks like we might get that rushed ending I worried about.
It's a shame because essentially issue 2 should've never really happened, and the cogs should have started moving more in issue 3, with the big heroes joining up then so we could have gotten a real battle that had more consequences than you can fit into the 4 or 5 miserable pages we got here where our heroes made no impact at all on the overall war
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See, I disagree with that. I think it's absolute genius on so many levels that it's scary.
(NB: I reveal BIG Flashpoint: Batman 2 spoilers. Don't read if you're looking for a tease!)
I mean it is really fucked up at the same time, but also gives a solid reason why Thomas wants out of this world. It isn't just Bruce being alive, it's a world where his wife didn't turn into a homicidal pseudo-clown and go around being psychotic.
It also adds a rather hilarious text to the 'foe-yay' subtext between Batman and The Joker. This timelines version have, probably and disturbingly, gotten busy since the shift. Which is also rather amusing given it's an extreme version of Batman and Catwoman, with Batman a crazy former doctor and Catwoman his nutso wife whose kid was shot for some pearls.
I'll actually be sad when this is over, and they switch this out. Hopefully The Joker remembers, and starts messing with Bruce by leaving him 'Bruce, your mother was a doll' style notes.
That moment between Barry and Thomas when they first recruit Cyborg
He didn't become Batman to accomplish anything. He became Batman because he was driven insane.
P.S. I'm talking about that scene where Barry asks if Thomas ever cared about "the mission," or something like that.
https://twitter.com/Hooraydiation
It's pretty similar to the nervous breakdown that Bendis put Daredevil through.
https://twitter.com/Hooraydiation
I will say that Flashpoint: Secret Seven could be the worst thing ever. Maybe I'm missing... everything... but it is just a disjointed mess.
As far as I can tell, it's the back story of how the Amazon/Atlantean war came to be. It's up to you if you that's more important, but the end result is already given. They fight, Europe is sunk, the UK is new Themyscira.
Goddamn
Like the lady's arm is sticking straight out in front of her but Batman's arm is off to his side
Escher handshake
I've loved the main mini so far, but they're running low on time and I'm really afraid of a rushed ending.
It's kind of a downer, because these shorter events normally have a pretty great build and then a terrible, rushed ending (See: Siege, Shadowland, War of the Supermen).
Johns, so far this is one of the best things you've written. By being an altered timeline, it's been free of your weird continuity kerfuffles and wtf nonsense moments (For both, See: Everything he has done with the Anti-Monitor, ever). It's your game to lose, pal.
I imagine that the world-building seems pointless to anyone who's reading the tie-ins, which reveal much more about the supporting cast and make their brief appearances in the main book seem paltry.
But unfortunately, those appearances are really the meat of the first few issues of Flashpoint.
And then there's Barry having to get hit by lightning twice, which only managed to kill a few pages and create an unnecessary cliffhanger. Hell, why couldn't he just start the event with his powers intact?
https://twitter.com/Hooraydiation
Batman is by far the best of the tie-ins, and it's also one of the ones that does the least blatant world building. It takes the absolute core of the premise and runs with it, but it doesn't stop to explain why someone else is oracle in this universe, or how Batman's gambling empire came to be.
Literally the biggest parts so far of the minis that have appeared in the main book were those crossover scenes. Lois Lane meeting the Resistance for the first time, Aquaman fighting Deathstroke, etc.
I'm totally digging Batman, Abin Sur, Deadman and the Flying Graysons, Project Superman, and Deathstroke, though.
I kind of gave up buying the other minis because they weren't that interesting, and like was mentioned, the biggest reveal of the Lois Lane mini showed up in the main series.
And Element Woman appearing. Guess this is to set her up for the post-Flashpoint stuff.
I will slap you with a comically over-sized fish if I ever meet you in real life.
beware
Nice synergy with Secret Seven, though.
Knight of Vengeance
jesus christ
Apparently Johns' storytelling strategy for this mini was "All telling, no showing" and there is just... there's nothing to this thing. It's not good writing.
so badly that it brought the whole series down a few notches. It looks like we might get that rushed ending I worried about.