I mean, he was pretty quick on the blatant reveal and accusation of Anon.
a lot of times, when people reveal conflicting information (in this case, Anon has not conflicted yet, but it's implied), the first person to reveal is telling the truth. That is definitely not always that case and shouldn't be followed 100%. But the general thinking is that Mafia want to conceal as much as possible. The more the village knows, the better decisions they can make. They usually react, rather than reveal openly.
But a clever mafia might know that a revelation was imminent, and so they take the initiative, making themselves look like the indignant party. So, you're right, we should not trust INANTP out of hand, but until Anon comes and gives his side, it seems at least worth listening to.
Also, it would be a trade gamble. If INANTP was mafia, he would know that we would vote him out tomorrow once Anon was obviously village - he could try to say well oh hm must have been something craaaazyyy after all, but it probably wouldn't save him unless he could be completely confirmed.
I do tend to be pretty quick to get on the wagon. That's usually because I want a vote in before the night is over so the next day I have something down for the inactivus, and since most of the posts at the time are, "ugh" or "i knew it" or "yay" I tend to just jump on the first line of reasoning I see.
So just to recap on some ideas, here's what I know that we have.
INANTP deduction of who left knew to block him (The current leader, Anonymous)
Langly's gut feeling against me (piL)
My gut feeling against Taya.
tbh piL does strike me as worthy of the vote as well, I just wanted to hear from Anon first. Don't know if I'll get the chance since I'm pretty busy today, will be back in time tonight I figure though!
I don't think the mafia would make so bold a move as to impersonate a guard and call out another player. At this point, if there really are at least 4 mafia left, I'd say they're "winning," unless the network has a lot of information they're not sharing. Clearly the network has been infiltrated, as evidenced by the repeated killings of every semblance of a network head. The story makes a lot of sense, and Langly, who evidently stever trusted (whether rightly or not) can't point either way.
With less players and less days the mafia could surly be just trying to get a villager today for a mafia tomorrow.
It would have been helpful if we had a designated network head.
Since The Anonymous is a prime number and pIL is not, lets go with kime's theory (remember kime is #1).
He's a shy overambitious dog-catcher on the wrong side of the law. She's an orphaned psychic mercenary with the power to bend men's minds. They fight crime!
I do tend to be pretty quick to get on the wagon. That's usually because I want a vote in before the night is over so the next day I have something down for the inactivus, and since most of the posts at the time are, "ugh" or "i knew it" or "yay" I tend to just jump on the first line of reasoning I see.
So just to recap on some ideas, here's what I know that we have.
INANTP deduction of who left knew to block him (The current leader, Anonymous)
Langly's gut feeling against me (piL)
My gut feeling against Taya.
Were Lucedes' vote against Wandering Hero and mine against Lucedes purposefully left out or overlooked?
voting for The Anonymous for now as I won't be around much later most likely and haven't really talked to anyone about pIL being suspicious or really noticed it. I do think there are other mechanics going on besides guard(s) being nullified
Overlooked TLicious, I didn't go through and track everything; I wasn't trying to count votes, I was just trying to list the discussions, hoping it would spur more analysis.
To renew the post:
INANTP deduction of who left knew to block him (The current leader, Anonymous)
Langly's gut feeling against me (piL)
My gut feeling against Taya.
Lucedes for Wandering Hero because his prime number
Edit: Didn't see a reason for your vote TLicious, so I didn't include it this time. Trying to summarize reasons not votes.
Lucedes, would you mind if I asked why you tried to publicly claim to be a Hot Wheelz Driver? It seems like a silly move except as mafia trying to pass off as village-like in the hopes that, like the other revealed masons (and possibly the twins as well), it came in pairs.
Lucedes, would you mind if I asked why you tried to publicly claim to be a Hot Wheelz Driver? It seems like a silly move except as mafia trying to pass off as village-like in the hopes that, like the other revealed masons (and possibly the twins as well), it came in pairs.
all of the mafia seem to have cover roles, and powers, and they keep killing the network head.
i'm all out of mason buddies
ughhhhhh
maybe this? I can not find it.
He's a shy overambitious dog-catcher on the wrong side of the law. She's an orphaned psychic mercenary with the power to bend men's minds. They fight crime!
all of the mafia seem to have cover roles, and powers, and they keep killing the network head.
i'm all out of mason buddies
ughhhhhh
maybe this? I can not find it.
Yes, this is what I'm referring to.
Edit to expound: The only people that died last night that could be masons were the twins (of which I am assuming there are 2, though this is complex biology...) and a Hot Wheelz Driver. Another one of these died on a previous night. By claiming his mason buddies were dead, he's implying he is a Hot Wheelz Driver.
Ah good, I figured Lucedes was part of some other masoned group when I first read that.
So... vigs probably shouldn't target him. Anyone else think maybe his mason buddies risked contacting certain people and it ended badly rather then pure chance?
Also like the new aggression phyphor. Seems less rational which is always good.
He's a shy overambitious dog-catcher on the wrong side of the law. She's an orphaned psychic mercenary with the power to bend men's minds. They fight crime!
Ah good, I figured Lucedes was part of some other masoned group when I first read that.
So... vigs probably shouldn't target him. Anyone else think maybe his mason buddies risked contacting certain people and it ended badly rather then pure chance?
Also like the new aggression phyphor. Seems less rational which is always good.
Do we have reason to assume he's telling the truth?
Tying the vote isn't comparable to vigilante kills. Vig kills have no mafia influence behind them (theoretically). Whereas the mafia can and will influence the vote - in fact, if they're actively not stopping you from tying the vote, that probably means it's working out for them!
But if they actively stop it at the last minute, that should reveal them, no? Obviously I'm asking more than suggesting. I have zero experience in this.
I have much experience tying votes personally, it rarely works out except to A. make the person tying it look very suspicious and B. give a sometimes useful vote record.
In my personal opinion it is best when there is a low, close vote with lots of people taking secondary positions as it forces people to choose a side. That is not the case here and makes me think piL is either not mafia or a mafia person is trying to get the vote somewhat tied on him so he appears less suspicious when anon goes down and he doesn't.
He's a shy overambitious dog-catcher on the wrong side of the law. She's an orphaned psychic mercenary with the power to bend men's minds. They fight crime!
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a lot of times, when people reveal conflicting information (in this case, Anon has not conflicted yet, but it's implied), the first person to reveal is telling the truth. That is definitely not always that case and shouldn't be followed 100%. But the general thinking is that Mafia want to conceal as much as possible. The more the village knows, the better decisions they can make. They usually react, rather than reveal openly.
But a clever mafia might know that a revelation was imminent, and so they take the initiative, making themselves look like the indignant party. So, you're right, we should not trust INANTP out of hand, but until Anon comes and gives his side, it seems at least worth listening to.
Also, it would be a trade gamble. If INANTP was mafia, he would know that we would vote him out tomorrow once Anon was obviously village - he could try to say well oh hm must have been something craaaazyyy after all, but it probably wouldn't save him unless he could be completely confirmed.
The Anonymous
Confusion will be my epitaph
I don't want to leave a bro hanging, so I'll join the wagon I helped create.
So just to recap on some ideas, here's what I know that we have.
INANTP deduction of who left knew to block him (The current leader, Anonymous)
Langly's gut feeling against me (piL)
My gut feeling against Taya.
Confusion will be my epitaph
It would have been helpful if we had a designated network head.
Since The Anonymous is a prime number and pIL is not, lets go with kime's theory (remember kime is #1).
Were Lucedes' vote against Wandering Hero and mine against Lucedes purposefully left out or overlooked?
I would like to hear The Anonymous's position
I noticed you haven't logged on since 9 am, but you might want to tell us your side of the story.
To renew the post:
INANTP deduction of who left knew to block him (The current leader, Anonymous)
Langly's gut feeling against me (piL)
My gut feeling against Taya.
Lucedes for Wandering Hero because his prime number
Edit: Didn't see a reason for your vote TLicious, so I didn't include it this time. Trying to summarize reasons not votes.
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When did that happen? Link please?
3DS Friend Code: 3110-5393-4113
Steam profile
maybe this? I can not find it.
He should play more often, he'll go far.
Yes, this is what I'm referring to.
Edit to expound: The only people that died last night that could be masons were the twins (of which I am assuming there are 2, though this is complex biology...) and a Hot Wheelz Driver. Another one of these died on a previous night. By claiming his mason buddies were dead, he's implying he is a Hot Wheelz Driver.
So... vigs probably shouldn't target him. Anyone else think maybe his mason buddies risked contacting certain people and it ended badly rather then pure chance?
Also like the new aggression phyphor. Seems less rational which is always good.
Do we have reason to assume he's telling the truth?
Confusion will be my epitaph
Confusion will be my epitaph
Confusion will be my epitaph
In my personal opinion it is best when there is a low, close vote with lots of people taking secondary positions as it forces people to choose a side. That is not the case here and makes me think piL is either not mafia or a mafia person is trying to get the vote somewhat tied on him so he appears less suspicious when anon goes down and he doesn't.
Narration Incoming.
Might be a tad later than normal; your host has been having at the wine.