Since writers have become more skilled and in addition have a much more intelligent audience to please, genre distinctions are almost moot now.
Every story worth reading is comprised of no less than two-genres these days.
what?
It is very hard to define things amongst one pure genre anymore. HP is a fantasy story, but as others have pointed out, it is really a coming of age story.
Science-fiction often contains elements of horror.
I'm just saying the pillars of many of these genres that people use to define them are kind of falling to the wayside of hybridization.
Steve is implying more that people understand genre conventions and such more. The art of writing, just like everything else ever has evolved and become more of a refined thing now.
"and the morning stars I have seen
and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
No. Good story is the implication that what is happening, what has happened, or what is being examined is engaging, interesting or thought provoking.
It's so terribly cliched now but Hemingway's "shortest story" is a great example of this:
"For sale: baby shoes, never worn."
That is pretty standard writing but a great story.
yes! Yes. Something about story being plot *onomatopoetic verb of sort of the sound of mismatched gears meaning "did not feel right" which is a word english doesn't have, but should* for me
this is a p good description of it
to take an example that isn't books: Dragon Age II. The plot, not really there for most of it. The "writing", in this case, the gameplay, graphics, voice acting, all that, p good but not amazing on the whole, the story? Shit yeah that is good. It may start of seemingly meandering but fuck does it end up engaging, interesting and thought-provoking.
the client has been pretty good so far, so there's a decent chance I'll get another day or two
not sure what to do then, though; would it be better to take the day off and hope that I'll feel better tomorrow, or would that just be delaying the work like I did yesterday?
I am amused by the underlying assumption by the purveyors of bitcoin people that the currency is better because it exists outside the influence of the governmental sphere
one day some currency trader is going to make a fucking mint on the stuff (no pun intended) by manipulating the bitcoin market specifically because there is no governmental regulation.
I would be surprised if there isn't already someone out there at an I-bank dreaming up a scheme right now
DDoS two mid-size exchanges. Start spreading a rumor they've been hacked. Watch price drop like the last time it happened. Buy low. Wait two weeks. Set up a fake Amazon PR announcement that they will be accepting bitcoin due the the sales tax issue. Sell high.
I was thinking this same sort of thing, haha. Even better if you can get an options market going.
Which is a shame because with an options market I could make a profit on the price drop too. And I'm mercenary enough that I view getting paid twice as a good option. Hell with an options market I could get paid three times. Which is always better then getting paid twice.
The average brain size is getting lower over time but that doesn't really mean a whole lot when a good education is usually required to have the skills need to be considered intelligent by most people.
Steve is implying more that people understand genre conventions and such more. The art of writing, just like everything else ever has evolved and become more of a refined thing now.
Yes. Eddy saved my ass.
My roommate came home when I was writing that original post so I was typing with a middle-school competency.
Since writers have become more skilled and in addition have a much more intelligent audience to please, genre distinctions are almost moot now.
Every story worth reading is comprised of no less than two-genres these days.
what?
It is very hard to define things amongst one pure genre anymore. HP is a fantasy story, but as others have pointed out, it is really a coming of age story.
Science-fiction often contains elements of horror.
I'm just saying the pillars of many of these genres that people use to define them are kind of falling to the wayside of hybridization.
I was mostly saying "what" to the first part but nevermind this is more interesting
anyway, genres have been changing forever
science-fiction now is not like science-fiction as it was, where a lot of important works are dystopic works where whatever science they've fictionalized is used to comment on society in some way, and that is a far cry from hard sci-fi that is an exploration of mankind's maybe possible future, etc etc
I'd say that genres like "science-fiction" and "fantasy" simply aren't, because they're such useless terms
HP is a coming of age story that happens to have magic in it, LOTR is a sort of saga/myth, Narnia is a bible allegory. Lumping all three into one category because all three happen to involve castles and magic at some points is kind of wierd.
No. Good story is the implication that what is happening, what has happened, or what is being examined is engaging, interesting or thought provoking.
It's so terribly cliched now but Hemingway's "shortest story" is a great example of this:
"For sale: baby shoes, never worn."
That is pretty standard writing but a great story.
I would call that great writing, not a great story
it's the execution people remember not the story
I actually do agree that this, as a package, is brilliant writing.
But when I'm talking about writing versus story, I'm talking about technical proficiency.
There is nothing wonderfully stylistic or inventive about Hemingways usage of words or punctuation or sentence structure there.
But he told a complete, heartbreaking and compelling story.
I would say the invention and stylistic accomplishment is devising a set of words that causes the reader to supply a "complete, heartbreaking, and compelling story" where there is none
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Writers are not more skilled, but narrative techniques and complexity have definitely improved. Also new forms of storytelling, i.e. television, film and graphic novels. It's like comparing the plot of TV in the 50s to what you get now.
No. Good story is the implication that what is happening, what has happened, or what is being examined is engaging, interesting or thought provoking.
It's so terribly cliched now but Hemingway's "shortest story" is a great example of this:
"For sale: baby shoes, never worn."
That is pretty standard writing but a great story.
I would call that great writing, not a great story
it's the execution people remember not the story
I actually do agree that this, as a package, is brilliant writing.
But when I'm talking about writing versus story, I'm talking about technical proficiency.
There is nothing wonderfully stylistic or inventive about Hemingways usage of words or punctuation or sentence structure there.
But he told a complete, heartbreaking and compelling story.
I would say the invention and stylistic accomplishment is devising a set of words that causes the reader to supply a "complete, heartbreaking, and compelling story" where there is none
what do you mean there is none?
baby expected, buy baby shoes
baby lost, sell shoes
that's a pretty complete - and heartbreaking - story right there
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Used it to send money to pro-Islamic religious and political organisations in the UK.
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It is very hard to define things amongst one pure genre anymore. HP is a fantasy story, but as others have pointed out, it is really a coming of age story.
Science-fiction often contains elements of horror.
I'm just saying the pillars of many of these genres that people use to define them are kind of falling to the wayside of hybridization.
and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
Of course, to prove any of this you'd have to measure intelligence
You'd also have to measure the intelligence of people who died 6000 years ago
and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
yes! Yes. Something about story being plot *onomatopoetic verb of sort of the sound of mismatched gears meaning "did not feel right" which is a word english doesn't have, but should* for me
this is a p good description of it
to take an example that isn't books: Dragon Age II. The plot, not really there for most of it. The "writing", in this case, the gameplay, graphics, voice acting, all that, p good but not amazing on the whole, the story? Shit yeah that is good. It may start of seemingly meandering but fuck does it end up engaging, interesting and thought-provoking.
I like those criteria.
There is this thing, but I'm not informed enough to say much about that.
Right. Bed. Night.
nothing is coming
gonna try for an extension
the client has been pretty good so far, so there's a decent chance I'll get another day or two
not sure what to do then, though; would it be better to take the day off and hope that I'll feel better tomorrow, or would that just be delaying the work like I did yesterday?
Fantasy as a descriptor isn't useful beyond being a very broad description.
Mine can do reverse cowgirl and wheelbarrow style.
Which is a shame because with an options market I could make a profit on the price drop too. And I'm mercenary enough that I view getting paid twice as a good option. Hell with an options market I could get paid three times. Which is always better then getting paid twice.
it's the execution people remember not the story
Yes. Eddy saved my ass.
My roommate came home when I was writing that original post so I was typing with a middle-school competency.
This is what I meant.
To supplement my income I've started putting together erotica.
This is not a joke.
he wanged her hard and she felt good and thanked him for his masterful wanging
I actually do agree that this, as a package, is brilliant writing.
But when I'm talking about writing versus story, I'm talking about technical proficiency.
There is nothing wonderfully stylistic or inventive about Hemingways usage of words or punctuation or sentence structure there.
But he told a complete, heartbreaking and compelling story.
What do you mean by "putting together"
On the black screen
You have uh
Intellectually blueballed me
Worked for Anne Rice.
Throwing together cliches erotica stories to sell to people on craigslist.
To say "writing erotica" is an overstatement because I'm literally putting the minimal amount of effort into it
I was mostly saying "what" to the first part but nevermind this is more interesting
anyway, genres have been changing forever
science-fiction now is not like science-fiction as it was, where a lot of important works are dystopic works where whatever science they've fictionalized is used to comment on society in some way, and that is a far cry from hard sci-fi that is an exploration of mankind's maybe possible future, etc etc
I'd say that genres like "science-fiction" and "fantasy" simply aren't, because they're such useless terms
HP is a coming of age story that happens to have magic in it, LOTR is a sort of saga/myth, Narnia is a bible allegory. Lumping all three into one category because all three happen to involve castles and magic at some points is kind of wierd.
Worked for Anne Rice.
There's a market for that?
Boom!
what do you mean there is none?
baby expected, buy baby shoes
baby lost, sell shoes
that's a pretty complete - and heartbreaking - story right there
Used it to send money to pro-Islamic religious and political organisations in the UK.
This is an outrage.