That reminds me of that poem by Tao Lin that concludes with him just repeating the line "the next night we ate whale" repeatedly, until he gets bored with it
the print version repeats it thirty thousand times
No. Good story is the implication that what is happening, what has happened, or what is being examined is engaging, interesting or thought provoking.
It's so terribly cliched now but Hemingway's "shortest story" is a great example of this:
"For sale: baby shoes, never worn."
That is pretty standard writing but a great story.
I would call that great writing, not a great story
it's the execution people remember not the story
I actually do agree that this, as a package, is brilliant writing.
But when I'm talking about writing versus story, I'm talking about technical proficiency.
There is nothing wonderfully stylistic or inventive about Hemingways usage of words or punctuation or sentence structure there.
But he told a complete, heartbreaking and compelling story.
I would say the invention and stylistic accomplishment is devising a set of words that causes the reader to supply a "complete, heartbreaking, and compelling story" where there is none
what do you mean there is none?
baby expected, buy baby shoes
baby lost, sell shoes
that's a pretty complete - and heartbreaking - story right there
No. Good story is the implication that what is happening, what has happened, or what is being examined is engaging, interesting or thought provoking.
It's so terribly cliched now but Hemingway's "shortest story" is a great example of this:
"For sale: baby shoes, never worn."
That is pretty standard writing but a great story.
I would call that great writing, not a great story
it's the execution people remember not the story
I actually do agree that this, as a package, is brilliant writing.
But when I'm talking about writing versus story, I'm talking about technical proficiency.
There is nothing wonderfully stylistic or inventive about Hemingways usage of words or punctuation or sentence structure there.
But he told a complete, heartbreaking and compelling story.
I would say the invention and stylistic accomplishment is devising a set of words that causes the reader to supply a "complete, heartbreaking, and compelling story" where there is none
what do you mean there is none?
baby expected, buy baby shoes
baby lost, sell shoes
that's a pretty complete - and heartbreaking - story right there
My problem with Hemingway is that he did things his own way.
Abd, the first part is what Eddy said, just to clarify. I was distracted while writing. I was saying writers and audiences are more familiar with genre norms, so the art of writing has had to evolve and become more creative in order to impress or thrive.
I also agree with your second point. That's what I was saying. Genres are so muddled and crossed now that using them as a benchmark is kind of silly.
And Fluffy, CC:
It is not proving super lucrative, but it is easy enough to start out. I just troll Craigslist and find solicits for light erotica for women's sites or whatever. They pay like $50 a story, and it takes them 2-4 weeks to get back to you. Just sent out my first wave.
I have a friend who has written porn scripts. It made him a couple hundred dollars.
Comparing Hemmingway to Buckley? You're madder than Rivs
look I'm just making the point that BABY DIED is not an inherently brilliant story, and that it's the writing that makes it effective
I mean I do dislike Hemingway but I'll give him props on some stuff and I do think this one is pretty clever and can't argue its emotional efficacy
Who said the baby died? Perhaps they gave the baby up for adoption? Perhaps they had too many pairs of baby shoes? Perhaps the baby has no feet?
The thing that makes it a great story is that it can mean so many things to so many different audiences. It is simple as you can get from a technical writing standpoint, but from a narrative POV, it is the most abstract story possible.
Wow, they edited this Captain America commercial. They replace "You will personally escort Adolph Hitler to the gates of hell" with "You will personally escort Your enemy to the gates of hell". The words clearly sound like they don't belong. What, you can't say Hitler on t.v. anymore?
Wow, they edited this Captain America commercial. They replace "You will personally escort Adolph Hitler to the gates of hell" with "You will personally escort Your enemy to the gates of hell". The words clearly sound like they don't belong. What, you can't say Hitler on t.v. anymore?
I think they are downplaying the WWII thing in the marketing
It is not proving super lucrative, but it is easy enough to start out. I just troll Craigslist and find solicits for light erotica for women's sites or whatever. They pay like $50 a story, and it takes them 2-4 weeks to get back to you. Just sent out my first wave.
I have a friend who has written porn scripts. It made him a couple hundred dollars.
Always figured working for porn in any capacity was a black mark on your resumé so far as working in film is concerned.
Wow, they edited this Captain America commercial. They replace "You will personally escort Adolph Hitler to the gates of hell" with "You will personally escort Your enemy to the gates of hell". The words clearly sound like they don't belong. What, you can't say Hitler on t.v. anymore?
Captain America is just statist propaganda created by the CIA to make liberty loving Americans want to go overseas and unconstitutionally interfere in European politics.
Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.
It is not proving super lucrative, but it is easy enough to start out. I just troll Craigslist and find solicits for light erotica for women's sites or whatever. They pay like $50 a story, and it takes them 2-4 weeks to get back to you. Just sent out my first wave.
I have a friend who has written porn scripts. It made him a couple hundred dollars.
Always figured working for porn in any capacity was a black mark on your resumé so far as working in film is concerned.
Actually that is a big misconception for two reasons:
1) A lot of people work in porn, especially in this economy. Porn pays decently enough and there is never a shortage of work.
Wow, they edited this Captain America commercial. They replace "You will personally escort Adolph Hitler to the gates of hell" with "You will personally escort Your enemy to the gates of hell". The words clearly sound like they don't belong. What, you can't say Hitler on t.v. anymore?
how long until someone makes an angry Hitler video in which he rages about being snubbed
Risk. Risk. Risk. Do you know how many different editions of Risk there are? Let me tell you – there are more editions of Risk than there are people who play board games. And do you know why there are so many different editions of Risk? Because the game is so bad, people keep trying to fix it. Risk: Godstorm. Risk: 2210 AD. Risk: Balance of Power. Risk: Star Wars. The common factor being “Risk”. The common factor being shitty old shitty Risk.
It is not proving super lucrative, but it is easy enough to start out. I just troll Craigslist and find solicits for light erotica for women's sites or whatever. They pay like $50 a story, and it takes them 2-4 weeks to get back to you. Just sent out my first wave.
I have a friend who has written porn scripts. It made him a couple hundred dollars.
Always figured working for porn in any capacity was a black mark on your resumé so far as working in film is concerned.
Actually that is a big misconception for two reasons:
1) A lot of people work in porn, especially in this economy. Porn pays decently enough and there is never a shortage of work.
Wow, they edited this Captain America commercial. They replace "You will personally escort Adolph Hitler to the gates of hell" with "You will personally escort Your enemy to the gates of hell". The words clearly sound like they don't belong. What, you can't say Hitler on t.v. anymore?
I think they are downplaying the WWII thing in the marketing
I guess I understand how they'd want to turn the focus more on the purely superhero aspects of the film: advanced technology, crazy looking villain, Cap getting the serum, explosions, and a guy fighting people in a costume. But the time period is vital for this film, and the idea that it could detract from it being a "comic book" movie instead of add to it is just silly. Give the public some credit.
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I don't think working for a web porn company would necessarily hurt you as a dev
there tend to be actually interesting challenges there, though
And the upside to hiring a former porn site dev is that they will have likely thought about securing their damn usernames and passwords. Sony, I'm looking at you.
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Wow, they edited this Captain America commercial. They replace "You will personally escort Adolph Hitler to the gates of hell" with "You will personally escort Your enemy to the gates of hell". The words clearly sound like they don't belong. What, you can't say Hitler on t.v. anymore?
I think they are downplaying the WWII thing in the marketing
I guess I understand how they'd want to turn the focus more on the purely superhero aspects of the film: advanced technology, crazy looking villain, Cap getting the serum, explosions, and a guy fighting people in a costume. But the time period is vital for this film, and the idea that it could detract from it being a "comic book" movie instead of add to it is just silly. Give the public some credit.
You know how Marketing Drones are; one guy in a meeting wondered aloud if Jocks would reject the film as being about "faggy history stuff" and they designed a commercial around that random fear
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That reminds me of that poem by Tao Lin that concludes with him just repeating the line "the next night we ate whale" repeatedly, until he gets bored with it
the print version repeats it thirty thousand times
My problem with Hemingway is that he did things his own way.
The Heming way.
Comparing Hemmingway to Buckley? You're madder than Rivs
On the black screen
I also agree with your second point. That's what I was saying. Genres are so muddled and crossed now that using them as a benchmark is kind of silly.
And Fluffy, CC:
It is not proving super lucrative, but it is easy enough to start out. I just troll Craigslist and find solicits for light erotica for women's sites or whatever. They pay like $50 a story, and it takes them 2-4 weeks to get back to you. Just sent out my first wave.
I have a friend who has written porn scripts. It made him a couple hundred dollars.
No Fly List, coming up.
I mean I do dislike Hemingway but I'll give him props on some stuff and I do think this one is pretty clever and can't argue its emotional efficacy
Like...that is the birthplace of the party.
Who said the baby died? Perhaps they gave the baby up for adoption? Perhaps they had too many pairs of baby shoes? Perhaps the baby has no feet?
The thing that makes it a great story is that it can mean so many things to so many different audiences. It is simple as you can get from a technical writing standpoint, but from a narrative POV, it is the most abstract story possible.
they could be highly ironic jews
It's funny that you think you can still travel internationally
what is loGICAAAL
is loGICAAL
oh I can't tell
oh I can't tell
different city different city different city different city
I think they are downplaying the WWII thing in the marketing
Always figured working for porn in any capacity was a black mark on your resumé so far as working in film is concerned.
We wouldn't want to alienate the Nazi demographic...
Captain America is just statist propaganda created by the CIA to make liberty loving Americans want to go overseas and unconstitutionally interfere in European politics.
Actually that is a big misconception for two reasons:
1) A lot of people work in porn, especially in this economy. Porn pays decently enough and there is never a shortage of work.
but much, much, much more importantly,
2) You would never EVER put porn on your resume.
Risk sucks.
...did I say bed + book? I meant bed + laptop.
"No, Yitzchak, THIS is irony!"
"Also treason."
"That too."
Yeah, this seems like a "freelance writer" thing.
there tend to be actually interesting challenges there, though
It was THE JEWS?
This is just as bad.
Because Risk and Monopoly are awful board games.
I guess I understand how they'd want to turn the focus more on the purely superhero aspects of the film: advanced technology, crazy looking villain, Cap getting the serum, explosions, and a guy fighting people in a costume. But the time period is vital for this film, and the idea that it could detract from it being a "comic book" movie instead of add to it is just silly. Give the public some credit.
And the upside to hiring a former porn site dev is that they will have likely thought about securing their damn usernames and passwords. Sony, I'm looking at you.
Prime hacking targets. That's for sure.
How do you feel about the Axis & Allies line of games?
You know how Marketing Drones are; one guy in a meeting wondered aloud if Jocks would reject the film as being about "faggy history stuff" and they designed a commercial around that random fear
Dammit, I was gonna mention Axis and Allies! :P