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The D&D thread introduced the concept, I'd seen them in CF, but never bothered. Now I'm hooked on reading game threads. I understand I'm supposed to vote for kime on day 1? Yes?
This is a good thing, though. Honestly, I wish more people were more talkative. You don't need brilliant ideas, you don't need to be right. Just think out loud, make some guesses, give some reasoning, discuss with other people, joke around with other people.
Everyone playing this game: talk! Make friends, make enemies, make brilliant mistakes, have fun!
This is a good thing, though. Honestly, I wish more people were more talkative. You don't need brilliant ideas, you don't need to be right. Just think out loud, make some guesses, give some reasoning, discuss with other people, joke around with other people.
Everyone playing this game: talk! Make friends, make enemies, make brilliant mistakes, have fun!
See, this is my philosophy too. I want to goof around and enjoy it, not be super stressed out trying to win. I think I take it a bit too far though. :P
"I am not young enough to know everything." - Oscar Wilde
This is a good thing, though. Honestly, I wish more people were more talkative. You don't need brilliant ideas, you don't need to be right. Just think out loud, make some guesses, give some reasoning, discuss with other people, joke around with other people.
Everyone playing this game: talk! Make friends, make enemies, make brilliant mistakes, have fun!
This is a good thing, though. Honestly, I wish more people were more talkative. You don't need brilliant ideas, you don't need to be right. Just think out loud, make some guesses, give some reasoning, discuss with other people, joke around with other people.
Everyone playing this game: talk! Make friends, make enemies, make brilliant mistakes, have fun!
See, this is my philosophy too. I want to goof around and enjoy it, not be super stressed out trying to win. I think I take it a bit too far though. :P
The problem with joking around in the thread is you'll often be viewed as a distraction and someone who is trying to remain active without really adding anything. This was especially the case in the days when post counts were visible, I'm not sure it will be viewed quite the same way now with post counts not being visible. But there still is the magic box and other forms of keeping track.
Me, I like to make nothing posts making jokes etc. So would you find it damning either way?
It would depend on the context and how often you did it.
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TBH kime is the only one that kinda strikes me as falling into the "joker" category. Most others who just make one or two passing comments just seem like bored villagers and not particularly talkative.
So yeah I'd agree that if you develop it into your play-style and it remains consistent.
other forms of keeping track being looking at someone's profile and stalking their post history and then putting it into a spreadsheet
not that i
have been doing that in the other phalla ha HA that would be crazy
That sounds like a lot of work, but then again, so was the browser / spreadsheet combo app that I wrote way back when. I wonder if I still have it around somewhere.
Okay, that's the minimum sign ups I was looking for. Signups will close at ~8 PM PDT tonight, in about 4 hours. The first day will start tonightNewbies can still sign up, or reserve. And while 16 mentors is workable, any more vets that would like to mentor, or do commentary, would be very much appreciated
Okay, that's the minimum sign ups I was looking for. Signups will close at ~8 PM PDT tonight, in about 4 hours. The first day will start tonightNewbies can still sign up, or reserve. And while 16 mentors is workable, any more vets that would like to mentor, or do commentary, would be very much appreciated
Fuck yes, I just typed the thumbsup code out of nostalgia and it actually works now. :^:
You reminded me that I meant to write and post this before the game started, just in case Spoit makes mentor-mentee assignments public. Just some ramblings from Rawkking Badguy on how he does things, should be helpful for all players. Don't think we've had someone publicly give the mafia advice in a newbie mini before, it'll impact the metagame but as far as I'm concerned it'll impact the metagame for the better.
Advice for Non-Village Roles. Gotta stress this is general advice as non-village roles, especially mafia and serial killers, require flexibility. Do not feel like you have to follow any of these to the letter or even at all of you want, experiment, see what works best for you, and have fun.
Mafia
- Dance to the beating of the villagers’ drums
Be a part of the mob, be careful if you choose to stick out from the norm. If the village are going after certain types of players (examples: borderline inactive players, vocal players, players doing nothing but silly posts, whatever) try not to be that kind of player.
- Don’t be the most <adjective>
Sorta overlaps with the above. People will suspect you for almost any reason, including many terrible reasons. You will probably find yourself being bandwagoned as mafia and be upset that the reason to vote you out was a complete asspull on the village’s part at least once in your phalla career. Unless you’re well known for exhibiting some sort of behavior it’s for the best if your behavior as mafia isn’t that notable.
- Don’t turn off your mafiadar
Be on the lookout for deviations in player behavior even as mafia, you can identify serial killers, neutrals, and specials this way. You probably shouldn’t contact suspected neutrals as you can often be wrong.
- Be natural
Be careful of doing anything that seems forced, or changing your behavior in sudden fashions. Examples include pretending to not care about the game (playing borderline inactive) and suddenly becoming argumentative when the mafia are about to win or lose or awkwardly voting for a target you would think was a terrible choice as a villager. That isn’t to say you shouldn’t become vocal to prevent a loss or guarantee a victory or vote for a target you would oppose, but try to make it seem more natural: perhaps gradually becoming more active as the game seems to be drawing to an end or frankly expressing your misgivings with the vote, letting yourself be persuaded by the others to vote for the bad target.
- Avoid Mafia Tourettes
This term originated in an earlier phalla to reference players mentioning a specific game mechanic (the ability to make anonymous attacks) that was not yet known by the village at large. In general it just means revealing that you have some insider knowledge, and hence probably the mafia, in a game. Mafia Tourettes can be insidious, something commonly known by the mafia can be adopted as common knowledge when the village really has no clue, and that ease of speaking on the proboards can leak out into the public thread and cause you trouble. Even implicitly assuming something is true without mentioning it can be seen as odd to villagers looking at your reasoning if you are trying to appear “helpful” in solving something. Member knowledge also comes into this as sometimes players being bandwagoned that you know is innocent can seem more innocent in your eyes than the village’s.
- Everything you say can and will be used against your team if and when you die
Active villagers are going to go over every word of your posts when you die, so plan accordingly. Maybe defend an innocent when none of your teammates are in danger, cast doubts onto the innocence of a fellow Mafioso, and otherwise making it difficult for your earlier testimony to be used against your team.
Villager Caveat: The vote is the most important mafia testimony.
Mafia can say anything they want about anyone to appear innocent, frame innocents, or throw off people looking for their teammates, but what they can’t manipulate nearly as easily is the vote. Mafia will almost infallibly be at least a bit cautious of piling onto a bandwagon against a teammate, often stalling until they decide the teammate’s loss is inevitable. They can still mislead you with votes, especially when none of their teammate’s lives are in danger or when they do a throwaway vote on a player with few or no other votes against them, but pay close attention to how people vote when their vote actually matters.
Serial Killer
- Balance suspicion of yourself by the village and mafia, and balance their progress in winning the game.
You ideally want to be suspected by the village enough to seem like a bad target for the mafia, but not enough to be hit by the vote or a village vigilante. Yes, that’s just as difficult as it sounds. Also target your kills to try to ensure that neither side is winning too much: even if both teams suspect you are the serial killer they may spare you to focus on the other team, something that will not happen if one team is winning enough to feel comfortable removing your threat.
- Read the players like you’ve never read before
In order to keep the game balanced as much as possible you really want a good read on the goings-on of the game while still remaining an outsider. Trying to peg members of masoned/networked players is a good strategy to both keep the balance of powers between the teams even and eliminating village and mafia specials that may be inclined to use their powers against you: a vanillager is a lot less of a threat to you than a seer or a vigilante.
- Avoid kill overlap, keep the kill count high.
You’ll also want to think about who the village and mafia are targeting or likely to target with kills and avoid those players. While you want to identify and kill specials of any kind, if a player is too obviously networked or mafia you’ll be better off leaving the village or mafia to do the job for you. If a survival neutral is dumb enough to reveal while you are still around, you may consider killing them as a safe target whose only real goal is to make sure you don’t win… but then again maybe not if they will suspect that the survival neutral is the serial killer.
- Consider falsely revealing
A SK revealing as a survival neutral will be rather suspicious if there is obviously a SK in the game, but if you pull it off you’re likely to have your life expectancy dramatically increase. Consider other roles to claim as well (a bounty hunter role might work), but be careful.
Survival Neutral
- Consider revealing
A survival neutral reveal has a pretty good shot at working. Be careful if there is a SK in the game, as you risk the chance of the SK killing you or the mob deciding that you are actually the SK. There may also be a role that has to kill you as a sole victory condition, but this is much less likely.
- Appear impartial
Don’t openly help one side or the other, especially if you reveal. You want to be believed to be a non-threat to either side, and as survival neutrals often don’t have any abilities they often are.
- If you can do so discretely, ensure the game ends as fast as possible.
If a side is winning, help it win. Each extra day that the game goes on is another chance to end up dead. Be very careful about doing this if you revealed, however.
Bounty Hunter (Neutral that needs to kill another specific role)
- Know your target
Try to figure out how the player(s) with the role(s) you have to kill will act. Are you part of one masoned team against another masoned team in the middle of a larger village vs. mafia struggle? They’re probably going to be acting just like your team will be acting. Are they a lone survival neutral? They’ll be keeping a low profile, and not trying to seem like they are on anyone’s side.
I am hardly the only phalla vet around, if anyone has anything to add please do :^:
Control the game. Cut down the network wherever possible. Kill any villager that is known or suspected of being special, in the network or unusually helpful. In almost all of the games I won as mafia the mafia was actively controlling the game as much as possible. For a good example, see the current SCIENCE! mini - mafia is killing off network heads and revealed specials at an impressive rate.
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The D&D thread introduced the concept, I'd seen them in CF, but never bothered. Now I'm hooked on reading game threads. I understand I'm supposed to vote for kime on day 1? Yes?
Rule #1 of Phalla: Always trust kime
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This is what I imagined you said
Steam: Chagrin LoL: Bonhomie
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no man, not me
Oh ok ty anyway
I'm pretty sure that in my four games of Phalla I've never not said something that came to my mind.
Steam: Chagrin LoL: Bonhomie
Everyone playing this game: talk! Make friends, make enemies, make brilliant mistakes, have fun!
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I'm always near the top but in Loxley I probably doubled anyone else's total. >_>
Steam: Chagrin LoL: Bonhomie
See, this is my philosophy too. I want to goof around and enjoy it, not be super stressed out trying to win. I think I take it a bit too far though. :P
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The problem with joking around in the thread is you'll often be viewed as a distraction and someone who is trying to remain active without really adding anything. This was especially the case in the days when post counts were visible, I'm not sure it will be viewed quite the same way now with post counts not being visible. But there still is the magic box and other forms of keeping track.
Me, I like to make nothing posts making jokes etc. So would you find it damning either way?
On the other hand, if MrB decided to make one of my nothing posts and it was only a vote post and that for a day, I may be a bit suspicious.
not that i
have been doing that in the other phalla ha HA that would be crazy
Save these for the faction game newbie mini clearly :P
It would depend on the context and how often you did it.
edit:
TBH kime is the only one that kinda strikes me as falling into the "joker" category. Most others who just make one or two passing comments just seem like bored villagers and not particularly talkative.
So yeah I'd agree that if you develop it into your play-style and it remains consistent.
And that is the lesson
Going to be much harder to maintain that posting style. Can't change it now, everyone expects it!
2 games, PST.
That sounds like a lot of work, but then again, so was the browser / spreadsheet combo app that I wrote way back when. I wonder if I still have it around somewhere.
I've played 3 games.
Make me the mafia mentor. :^:
Fuck yes, I just typed the thumbsup code out of nostalgia and it actually works now. :^:
I am also available for shoutcasting.
You reminded me that I meant to write and post this before the game started, just in case Spoit makes mentor-mentee assignments public. Just some ramblings from Rawkking Badguy on how he does things, should be helpful for all players. Don't think we've had someone publicly give the mafia advice in a newbie mini before, it'll impact the metagame but as far as I'm concerned it'll impact the metagame for the better.
I am hardly the only phalla vet around, if anyone has anything to add please do :^:
Control the game. Cut down the network wherever possible. Kill any villager that is known or suspected of being special, in the network or unusually helpful. In almost all of the games I won as mafia the mafia was actively controlling the game as much as possible. For a good example, see the current SCIENCE! mini - mafia is killing off network heads and revealed specials at an impressive rate.