Gut feelings, the way people are acting, who voted when, and why, who is suspicious of who, and how they're saying so. For instance, I am suspicious of !Paccavi at the moment, because I feel that after seeing Kime spend the entire science phalla pretending to be mafia, while actually being one, and is giving it a shot. Tenuous, probably wrong, but still better than voting someone just because the network head did.
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I guess I'm just wondering if you think we should be voting for other people, but still hope taya gets the vote, or if we should be voting out someone else tonight. It seems weird to me to try to vote for people if I don't want them to be eliminated tonight.
well the vote can be used in interesting ways, besides just going after one target that the network designates.
You can use it to put pressure on people, and see how they react. Sometimes just voting once for someone will make them say or do something suspicious. It's relatively easy to maintain a good villager persona when you aren't being looked at.
Well, who do you want to be eliminated tonight then? If you have a suspicion, always vote for them. Get that out in the open. Get people talking about it. Debate and information is the blood of the village. Really, the one downside of a day 1 like yesterday's is that while it sets up a network quite well, it doesn't give us a lot of votes to pick apart.
But in my defense, he voted for me shortly after the narration went up and I doubt he had time to talk with the specials. His gut feeling was no more important than anyone's at that point.
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Man I am not following any of this at all. I'll have to look over everything again after work.
I expect to see these "placeholder" votes on Taya either given an actual reason to exist or moved by the end of the night.
I absolutely hate it when people put placeholders with no reasoning and don't move them. Particularly because it's so easy for mafia to hide in there.
Just want to throw in my two cents about this, because I am notoriously guilty of doing exactly that:
Placeholder votes can be a good place to hide as a mafia, but sometimes you just don't know if you'll be around by vote close or if other information will come out from a network head.
It is kind of a personal thing; hell, Phalla is a personal game. Individuals have a distinct voice, even on a web forum.
I'll vote for 38thdoe again, for the same reasons as yesterday.
Would we know from the narration if WH was a mafia target? Like, would it say both "Failed to move the gear up" and "Not balanced for lean", or whatever the flavor text is, next to his name?
Day 1 votes typically are based on grudges or instincts since there really isn't anything else to base them on. (Unless you start off on a team with people you need to kill, but that doesn't happen very often.)
Sticking with a day 1 vote can be good, but sticking with Day 1 reasoning can become suspicious.
Different hosts do it differently, but yes a lot of the time you would see both. Since this Phalla seems to be fairly straightforward, I would think that a guard happened rather than a double kill.
Based on that, the guard should tell kingmole who he guarded, if kingmole only gets one such PM, I'd say trust them in a soft-network, if kingmole gets more than one PM than we have a list of people to start killing
Based on that, the guard should tell kingmole who he guarded, if kingmole only gets one such PM, I'd say trust them in a soft-network, if kingmole gets more than one PM than we have a list of people to start killing
oh man that'd be fun.
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I'll vote for 38thdoe again, for the same reasons as yesterday.
Would we know from the narration if WH was a mafia target? Like, would it say both "Failed to move the gear up" and "Not balanced for lean", or whatever the flavor text is, next to his name?
Day 1 votes typically are based on grudges or instincts since there really isn't anything else to base them on. (Unless you start off on a team with people you need to kill, but that doesn't happen very often.)
Sticking with a day 1 vote can be good, but sticking with Day 1 reasoning can become suspicious.
Different hosts do it differently, but yes a lot of the time you would see both. Since this Phalla seems to be fairly straightforward, I would think that a guard happened rather than a double kill.
Oh, ok. It's just a placeholder. Without any more compelling leads at this time, I'm sticking with my day 1 vote. Is that better? I'm still trying to figure this whole thing out.
Because I do not think Tmoiy was acting that suspicious and you are just using it as an excuse to vote for somebody else.
I will change my vote if Kingmole declares a non-placeholder target and I check the thread before close.
There was no benefit to saving stever. Once we knew he was a mason, it was in our best interest to kill him on our terms, which required killing him last night. Otherwise, the mafia could kill him without him revealing Kingmole, and there would have been no benefit from having masons in this game. So yes, I find suggesting that we not kill stever last night suspicious (or something that a new player would do, which makes this phalla so difficult).
Oh, ok. It's just a placeholder. Without any more compelling leads at this time, I'm sticking with my day 1 vote. Is that better? I'm still trying to figure this whole thing out.
Unless we hear from Mole, from my understanding it generally doesn't make too much difference for the first couple of days.
I supported saving stever because IMO he was basically already confirmed at that point. Even if the mafia had killed him last night without him revealing, it would have been easy for KingMole to reveal today (like kime did in the Loxley phalla). So we would still have a network. Using the vote on someone else could have given us more information.
Sorry for voting you again Taya, but as long as the network head is also voting for you, I see little value to switching from my grudge vote.
Well as it is we had to take out stever and we didn't manage to kill any mafia. Honestly, I feel like networks are being overrated a little bit right now.
Because I do not think Tmoiy was acting that suspicious and you are just using it as an excuse to vote for somebody else.
I will change my vote if Kingmole declares a non-placeholder target and I check the thread before close.
There was no benefit to saving stever. Once we knew he was a mason, it was in our best interest to kill him on our terms, which required killing him last night. Otherwise, the mafia could kill him without him revealing Kingmole, and there would have been no benefit from having masons in this game. So yes, I find suggesting that we not kill stever last night suspicious (or something that a new player would do, which makes this phalla so difficult).
But he had to die to confirm his masoniess. Otherwise it could of been a mafia ploy.
It's still 13-4. And potentially we have 5 people "confirmed" in the network if you count whomever was guarded last night. I think it's a pretty good spot. Certainly relative to biology.
Also the network should not immediately trust anyone who claims to be a seer until he gives them a target that turns out to be mafia, until then he can just help rule out hunches.
Because I do not think Tmoiy was acting that suspicious and you are just using it as an excuse to vote for somebody else.
I will change my vote if Kingmole declares a non-placeholder target and I check the thread before close.
There was no benefit to saving stever. Once we knew he was a mason, it was in our best interest to kill him on our terms, which required killing him last night. Otherwise, the mafia could kill him without him revealing Kingmole, and there would have been no benefit from having masons in this game. So yes, I find suggesting that we not kill stever last night suspicious (or something that a new player would do, which makes this phalla so difficult).
But he had to die to confirm his masoniess. Otherwise it could of been a mafia ploy.
...I think, I am a noob after all.
No, we're saying the same thing. Stever had to die last night, otherwise it could've been a mafia ploy.
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You can use it to put pressure on people, and see how they react. Sometimes just voting once for someone will make them say or do something suspicious. It's relatively easy to maintain a good villager persona when you aren't being looked at.
But in my defense, he voted for me shortly after the narration went up and I doubt he had time to talk with the specials. His gut feeling was no more important than anyone's at that point.
Tmioy, I found it weird that you were trying to push the vote off of stever
Well, at least I left a gift for the village.
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For being defensive this early in the day, and more importantly me getting in my grudge vote I skipped out on yesterday.
Also excited to have a network head that is hopefully connected with the vig and for having a lucky guard in this game
Just want to throw in my two cents about this, because I am notoriously guilty of doing exactly that:
Placeholder votes can be a good place to hide as a mafia, but sometimes you just don't know if you'll be around by vote close or if other information will come out from a network head.
It is kind of a personal thing; hell, Phalla is a personal game. Individuals have a distinct voice, even on a web forum.
That said, I'm not getting a bead on Taya and I've been pretty good at figuring out when she's been village the last couple games.
Peccavi is being weird though.
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Because I do not think Tmoiy was acting that suspicious and you are just using it as an excuse to vote for somebody else.
I will change my vote if Kingmole declares a non-placeholder target and I check the thread before close.
I absolutely have not. I haven't pegged her as mafia any of the times she was.
Day 1 votes typically are based on grudges or instincts since there really isn't anything else to base them on. (Unless you start off on a team with people you need to kill, but that doesn't happen very often.)
Sticking with a day 1 vote can be good, but sticking with Day 1 reasoning can become suspicious.
Different hosts do it differently, but yes a lot of the time you would see both. Since this Phalla seems to be fairly straightforward, I would think that a guard happened rather than a double kill.
At least this time I have someone I know I can follow.
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On the off chance he's playing Kime
oh man that'd be fun.
Oh, ok. It's just a placeholder. Without any more compelling leads at this time, I'm sticking with my day 1 vote. Is that better? I'm still trying to figure this whole thing out.
There was no benefit to saving stever. Once we knew he was a mason, it was in our best interest to kill him on our terms, which required killing him last night. Otherwise, the mafia could kill him without him revealing Kingmole, and there would have been no benefit from having masons in this game. So yes, I find suggesting that we not kill stever last night suspicious (or something that a new player would do, which makes this phalla so difficult).
Unless we hear from Mole, from my understanding it generally doesn't make too much difference for the first couple of days.
This doesn't seem like Peccavi's mafia behaviour, but maybe that's what he's going for.
Sorry for voting you again Taya, but as long as the network head is also voting for you, I see little value to switching from my grudge vote.
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But he had to die to confirm his masoniess. Otherwise it could of been a mafia ploy.
...I think, I am a noob after all.
Right now, !Peccavi is the best choice, since I really don't have a lot of info to go on just yet. Though if there ever was a village idiot role....
No, we're saying the same thing. Stever had to die last night, otherwise it could've been a mafia ploy.
Tmoiy tried to get us to save Stever.