It ain't that it's a cartoon, it's that it's fucking ThunderCats
There's plenty of awesome animation out there, and even plenty of decent kids shows
But none of them are the goddamn ThunderCats. Did you not watch the original? It was cheesy as hell, Snarf alone was basically a warcrime, the writing was alternatingly campy and overwrought, and it had goofy-ass voice acting. What on earth would lead you to believe that's gonna spawn a quality piece of storytelling?
bad argument
and the existence of the 80s show, which doesn't hold up well at all, does not allow the reboot to get a pass and gloss over basic storytelling because it's a cartoon, or the subject matter, or anything
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Rane didn't you make the argument the other night that everyone in Avatar is actually a "fictional race" and not people of color.
no I made the argument that complaining that people in the live action avatar weren't asian was silly because they weren't asian in the cartoon, and that any person of any race should be allowed to play any role as long as it does break the story or the immersion, like straight casting a white child to a black family with no explanation
I don't feel like making this a thing at all right now.
I'll just say I disagree.
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What spring does with the cherry trees.
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Tommy2Handswhat is this where am iRegistered Userregular
rane are you arguing that thunder cats takes place in a particularly deep setting
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s-stop that
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Raneadospolice apologistyou shouldn't have been there, obviouslyRegistered Userregular
It ain't that it's a cartoon, it's that it's fucking ThunderCats
There's plenty of awesome animation out there, and even plenty of decent kids shows
But none of them are the goddamn ThunderCats. Did you not watch the original? It was cheesy as hell, Snarf alone was basically a warcrime, the writing was alternatingly campy and overwrought, and it had goofy-ass voice acting. What on earth would lead you to believe that's gonna spawn a quality piece of storytelling?
bad argument
and the existence of the 80s show, which doesn't hold up well at all, does not allow the reboot to get a pass and gloss over basic storytelling because it's a cartoon, or the subject matter, or anything
I'm not saying it gets a "pass," I'm saying that expecting a shit show to get magically remade into a good one is really, really, really, really dumb.
Like if they announced a remake of The Love Boat and promised to update it for a "modern era" and put Sam Rockwell as the lead, I still wouldn't watch it, because it'd be the goddamn Love Boat.
Rane didn't you make the argument the other night that everyone in Avatar is actually a "fictional race" and not people of color.
no I made the argument that complaining that people in the live action avatar weren't asian was silly because they weren't asian in the cartoon, and that any person of any race should be allowed to play any role as long as it does break the story or the immersion, like straight casting a white child to a black family with no explanation
I don't feel like making this a thing at all right now.
I'll just say I disagree.
which part?
or all of it?
if you disagree with the latter part then HMMMMMMMMMM
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pooro, drink less
or drink more
basically modify your BAC so you aren't grumpy please
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Tommy2Handswhat is this where am iRegistered Userregular
It ain't that it's a cartoon, it's that it's fucking ThunderCats
There's plenty of awesome animation out there, and even plenty of decent kids shows
But none of them are the goddamn ThunderCats. Did you not watch the original? It was cheesy as hell, Snarf alone was basically a warcrime, the writing was alternatingly campy and overwrought, and it had goofy-ass voice acting. What on earth would lead you to believe that's gonna spawn a quality piece of storytelling?
bad argument
and the existence of the 80s show, which doesn't hold up well at all, does not allow the reboot to get a pass and gloss over basic storytelling because it's a cartoon, or the subject matter, or anything
I'm not saying it gets a "pass," I'm saying that expecting a shit show to get magically remade into a good one is really, really, really, really dumb.
Like if they announced a remake of The Love Boat and promised to update it for a "modern era" and put Sam Rockwell as the lead, I still wouldn't watch it, because it'd be the goddamn Love Boat.
I just don't know what exactly you were expecting
"go watch a show for adults" is giving it a pass, it's dismissing it because it's "for kids", it doesn't have to pay attention to basic fundamentals and decent storytelling because it's "for kids", anyone who's watching it and has any problem with it shouldn't be watching it
It ain't that it's a cartoon, it's that it's fucking ThunderCats
There's plenty of awesome animation out there, and even plenty of decent kids shows
But none of them are the goddamn ThunderCats. Did you not watch the original? It was cheesy as hell, Snarf alone was basically a warcrime, the writing was alternatingly campy and overwrought, and it had goofy-ass voice acting. What on earth would lead you to believe that's gonna spawn a quality piece of storytelling?
bad argument
and the existence of the 80s show, which doesn't hold up well at all, does not allow the reboot to get a pass and gloss over basic storytelling because it's a cartoon, or the subject matter, or anything
I'm not saying it gets a "pass," I'm saying that expecting a shit show to get magically remade into a good one is really, really, really, really dumb.
Like if they announced a remake of The Love Boat and promised to update it for a "modern era" and put Sam Rockwell as the lead, I still wouldn't watch it, because it'd be the goddamn Love Boat.
I just don't know what exactly you were expecting
"go watch a show for adults" is giving it a pass, it's dismissing it because it's "for kids", it doesn't have to pay attention to basic fundamentals and decent storytelling because it's "for kids", anyone who's watching it and has any problem with it shouldn't be watching it
yeah but thundercats is most likely not bad because it's "For Kids"
thundercats is bad because it was never really the best show
I dunno what you guys are talking about Thundercats was a masterpiece of television
And I'm not saying that because Cheetara made my younger self start liking girls
wait this isn't the nerd confessions thread
This thread started off about TeenNick actually being watchable, yet 2 posts in people decided to make it a 90s nostalgia thread, and now it's about fucking Thundercats. At this point, this thread can be whatever you want it to be.
also I found all these snarf slash fics in your sock drawer last week
please rane talk to us your father and I are worried
well
uh
I'm not saying that? read again?
vov
what do you want from me, mom?
I just wanted a normal son not this gay cat son!
you're being shipped off to Boot Camps tomorrow morning young man!
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Raneadospolice apologistyou shouldn't have been there, obviouslyRegistered Userregular
I wanted thundercats to be good, like i want EVERY show to be good, but apparently because it's a show primarily aimed at children, you're not allowed to have an opinion on it
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Raneadospolice apologistyou shouldn't have been there, obviouslyRegistered Userregular
It ain't that it's a cartoon, it's that it's fucking ThunderCats
There's plenty of awesome animation out there, and even plenty of decent kids shows
But none of them are the goddamn ThunderCats. Did you not watch the original? It was cheesy as hell, Snarf alone was basically a warcrime, the writing was alternatingly campy and overwrought, and it had goofy-ass voice acting. What on earth would lead you to believe that's gonna spawn a quality piece of storytelling?
bad argument
and the existence of the 80s show, which doesn't hold up well at all, does not allow the reboot to get a pass and gloss over basic storytelling because it's a cartoon, or the subject matter, or anything
I'm not saying it gets a "pass," I'm saying that expecting a shit show to get magically remade into a good one is really, really, really, really dumb.
Like if they announced a remake of The Love Boat and promised to update it for a "modern era" and put Sam Rockwell as the lead, I still wouldn't watch it, because it'd be the goddamn Love Boat.
I just don't know what exactly you were expecting
"go watch a show for adults" is giving it a pass, it's dismissing it because it's "for kids", it doesn't have to pay attention to basic fundamentals and decent storytelling because it's "for kids", anyone who's watching it and has any problem with it shouldn't be watching it
yeah but thundercats is most likely not bad because it's "For Kids"
thundercats is bad because it was never really the best show
really no one should be watching it
I'm not talking about the original thundercats, I'm talking about the new one, which is a different show almost entirely
basically everything except the names of the characters and what type of cat they are is different
Rane didn't you make the argument the other night that everyone in Avatar is actually a "fictional race" and not people of color.
no I made the argument that complaining that people in the live action avatar weren't asian was silly because they weren't asian in the cartoon, and that any person of any race should be allowed to play any role as long as it does break the story or the immersion, like straight casting a white child to a black family with no explanation
I don't feel like making this a thing at all right now.
I'll just say I disagree.
which part?
or all of it?
if you disagree with the latter part then HMMMMMMMMMM
Well I mean it's a nice thought and I agree in theory.
But to say three characters who are very much products of their respective cultures, cultures which are all obviously based on a real world equivalent, can be whitewashed without breaking immersion while their entire background (including the race of the goddamn extras) stays the same is just ridiculous.
Casting a white child as the biological child of black parents is a pretty good example, but on a much smaller and more jarring scale obviously.
Maybe you're not as sensitive to matters like that, but can you get why some people be annoyed by something like that?
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What spring does with the cherry trees.
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Raneadospolice apologistyou shouldn't have been there, obviouslyRegistered Userregular
Rane didn't you make the argument the other night that everyone in Avatar is actually a "fictional race" and not people of color.
no I made the argument that complaining that people in the live action avatar weren't asian was silly because they weren't asian in the cartoon, and that any person of any race should be allowed to play any role as long as it does break the story or the immersion, like straight casting a white child to a black family with no explanation
I don't feel like making this a thing at all right now.
I'll just say I disagree.
which part?
or all of it?
if you disagree with the latter part then HMMMMMMMMMM
Well I mean it's a nice thought and I agree in theory.
But to say three characters who are very much products of their respective cultures, cultures which are all obviously based on a real world equivalent, can be whitewashed without breaking immersion while their entire background (including the race of the goddamn extras) stays the same is just ridiculous.
Casting a white child as the biological child of black parents is a pretty good example, but on a much smaller and more jarring scale obviously.
Maybe you're not as sensitive to matters like that, but can you get why some people be annoyed by something like that?
kind of a shitty snide remark at the end there, VI, dang
I haven't seen the avatar movie, and I was not aware that the extras were all asian, which WOULD be a jarring change if the main characters were white, as it wouldn't make sense and would fall into my "immersion breaking" thing. If they'r literally the only white people from their culture, then it's an immersion break
but again, the cultures are slightly reminiscent of asian cultures, the bending styles are all reminiscent on asian martial arts, the art is often asian inspired, but that's all because the art directors and artists and animators were basing off what they themselves knew and were basing the setting on asian culture, lots of different asian culture
I still never look at any of the characters in avatar and go "this guy is asian" and "this guy is white"
the actual people themselves aren't asian, they're fire/water/air etc, and in the cartoon, different looks of people make up each of the different cultures with lighter and darker skin tones all across the tribes
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Viscount Islands[INSERT SoKo HERE]...it was the summer of my lifeRegistered Userregular
Rane didn't you make the argument the other night that everyone in Avatar is actually a "fictional race" and not people of color.
well I mean
if something isn't expressed to out and out take place on earth
why would our world's idea of race be relevant at all
Well I mean we're the ones creating and viewing it, so to pretend our perspective is irrelevant is silly. When someone sees a Water Tribe scene, they probably aren't going to just see mysterious dwellers of the Artic who wear fur and have brown skin. They're going to see the goddamn Inuit. Because that's what they're heavily based on.
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Raneadospolice apologistyou shouldn't have been there, obviouslyRegistered Userregular
Rane didn't you make the argument the other night that everyone in Avatar is actually a "fictional race" and not people of color.
well I mean
if something isn't expressed to out and out take place on earth
why would our world's idea of race be relevant at all
Well I mean we're the ones creating and viewing it, so to pretend our perspective is irrelevant is silly. When someone sees a Water Tribe scene, they probably aren't going to just see mysterious dwellers of the Artic who wear fur and have brown skin. They're going to see the goddamn Inuit. Because that's what they're heavily based on.
But they're not Inuit, they're water tribe
they're fictional
you can draw all the parallels you want to, but that's a personal thing
they're water tribe dudes, all they need is to look like they all could share the same culture through lots of generations, which means a similar look, similar skin tones, somewhat similar builds, and etc
if you're associated them with inuits, that's your prerogative, but they're not inuits
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Also snarf
E: That wasn't meant to be snide remark. You might not be particularly sensitive to race issues!
Viscount Islands on
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check it out I found snarf porn
it's not very sexy
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Viscount Islands[INSERT SoKo HERE]...it was the summer of my lifeRegistered Userregular
Oh Rane let's tackle it from the other end.
Why do you think they felt the need to make that change? Because the actors they got were the best at bringing the characters to life?
But they decided before seeing any actors that the characters were going to be Caucasian, because that's what the ads they put out requested.
So why did they feel the need to make the main characters white?
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Personally I think appropriating the culture of a group for your characters and then saying "Oh, no, these are totally fictional people and have no basis in the real world unless you choose to see it" is kiiiiiiiiiiiinda racist
Why do you think they felt the need to make that change? Because the actors they got were the best at bringing the characters to life?
But they decided before seeing any actors that the characters were going to be Caucasian, because that's what the ads they put out requested.
So why did they feel the need to make the main characters white?
I was not actually a part of that casting decision, so I don't know
it could be a dozen reasons ranging from yep racism to ideas of what would test the best
just from watching how the characters use the bending styles, we know that nobody paid a huge amount of attention to the show and didn't seem to care much about how it was transferred to the screen, despite what shyamalan says
it was a cash grab from start to finish, and what seems most likely is that they picked either generic actors or then-good standing actors to test as well as they could in the market and maximize profits
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well I mean
if something isn't expressed to out and out take place on earth
why would our world's idea of race be relevant at all
Ahahaha fucking yesssss
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bad argument
and the existence of the 80s show, which doesn't hold up well at all, does not allow the reboot to get a pass and gloss over basic storytelling because it's a cartoon, or the subject matter, or anything
I don't feel like making this a thing at all right now.
I'll just say I disagree.
What spring does with the cherry trees.
what
I'm not saying it gets a "pass," I'm saying that expecting a shit show to get magically remade into a good one is really, really, really, really dumb.
Like if they announced a remake of The Love Boat and promised to update it for a "modern era" and put Sam Rockwell as the lead, I still wouldn't watch it, because it'd be the goddamn Love Boat.
I just don't know what exactly you were expecting
And I'm not saying that because Cheetara made my younger self start liking girls
wait this isn't the nerd confessions thread
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Steam
All Asian people know martial arts
therefore everyone in avatar is Asian
which part?
or all of it?
if you disagree with the latter part then HMMMMMMMMMM
or drink more
basically modify your BAC so you aren't grumpy please
it sort of seems like that
also I found all these snarf slash fics in your sock drawer last week
please rane talk to us your father and I are worried
"go watch a show for adults" is giving it a pass, it's dismissing it because it's "for kids", it doesn't have to pay attention to basic fundamentals and decent storytelling because it's "for kids", anyone who's watching it and has any problem with it shouldn't be watching it
Star Wars
on DVD
that I'm watching right now
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well
uh
I'm not saying that? read again?
vov
what do you want from me, mom?
yeah but thundercats is most likely not bad because it's "For Kids"
thundercats is bad because it was never really the best show
really no one should be watching it
This thread started off about TeenNick actually being watchable, yet 2 posts in people decided to make it a 90s nostalgia thread, and now it's about fucking Thundercats. At this point, this thread can be whatever you want it to be.
Steam
I just wanted a normal son not this gay cat son!
you're being shipped off to Boot Camps tomorrow morning young man!
I'm not talking about the original thundercats, I'm talking about the new one, which is a different show almost entirely
basically everything except the names of the characters and what type of cat they are is different
Yeah, this is basically what I'm saying
Well I mean it's a nice thought and I agree in theory.
But to say three characters who are very much products of their respective cultures, cultures which are all obviously based on a real world equivalent, can be whitewashed without breaking immersion while their entire background (including the race of the goddamn extras) stays the same is just ridiculous.
Casting a white child as the biological child of black parents is a pretty good example, but on a much smaller and more jarring scale obviously.
Maybe you're not as sensitive to matters like that, but can you get why some people be annoyed by something like that?
What spring does with the cherry trees.
kind of a shitty snide remark at the end there, VI, dang
I haven't seen the avatar movie, and I was not aware that the extras were all asian, which WOULD be a jarring change if the main characters were white, as it wouldn't make sense and would fall into my "immersion breaking" thing. If they'r literally the only white people from their culture, then it's an immersion break
but again, the cultures are slightly reminiscent of asian cultures, the bending styles are all reminiscent on asian martial arts, the art is often asian inspired, but that's all because the art directors and artists and animators were basing off what they themselves knew and were basing the setting on asian culture, lots of different asian culture
I still never look at any of the characters in avatar and go "this guy is asian" and "this guy is white"
the actual people themselves aren't asian, they're fire/water/air etc, and in the cartoon, different looks of people make up each of the different cultures with lighter and darker skin tones all across the tribes
Well I mean we're the ones creating and viewing it, so to pretend our perspective is irrelevant is silly. When someone sees a Water Tribe scene, they probably aren't going to just see mysterious dwellers of the Artic who wear fur and have brown skin. They're going to see the goddamn Inuit. Because that's what they're heavily based on.
What spring does with the cherry trees.
But they're not Inuit, they're water tribe
they're fictional
you can draw all the parallels you want to, but that's a personal thing
they're water tribe dudes, all they need is to look like they all could share the same culture through lots of generations, which means a similar look, similar skin tones, somewhat similar builds, and etc
if you're associated them with inuits, that's your prerogative, but they're not inuits
E: That wasn't meant to be snide remark. You might not be particularly sensitive to race issues!
What spring does with the cherry trees.
it's not very sexy
Why do you think they felt the need to make that change? Because the actors they got were the best at bringing the characters to life?
But they decided before seeing any actors that the characters were going to be Caucasian, because that's what the ads they put out requested.
So why did they feel the need to make the main characters white?
What spring does with the cherry trees.
Eh, y'know what? I think I'll watch that too.
HENROID!!!
HENROID! SHUT DOWN ALL THE GARBAGE MASHERS ON THE DETENTION LEVEL!
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NOOOO! SHUT THEM ALL DOWN!
I was not actually a part of that casting decision, so I don't know
it could be a dozen reasons ranging from yep racism to ideas of what would test the best
just from watching how the characters use the bending styles, we know that nobody paid a huge amount of attention to the show and didn't seem to care much about how it was transferred to the screen, despite what shyamalan says
it was a cash grab from start to finish, and what seems most likely is that they picked either generic actors or then-good standing actors to test as well as they could in the market and maximize profits
berk stop making light of my medical conditions boo hoo
What should have happened at this point was, "Your crew fired on us when we were boarding your ship, that doesn't help your story in the slightest."