Yeah, if you were deemed to have enough free time to walk the dogs, you probably weren't truly a valued member of the team.
While he might of thought this was a way to get in good, it had to be a red flag when everybody else is busting ass for 80 hour weeks and he's strolling the park.
People who say they're REALLY good at their job-- aren't. People who are really good at their job are quiet and do it and don't need to tell other people about it because they make the point with their work.
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Oh, bullshit. I've met plenty of people who are smart and capable, yet arrogant as fuck. The smartest dude I know practically never stops patting himself on the back, but he gets shit done, period.
Blanket statements FTL.
I know a lot of guys who are smart, capable, arrogant as fuck, and never get anything accomplished. I also know a few of them that get stuff done. None of them, that I've met so far, are particularly all-around awesome at their job. I've met a lot of humble people who are very capable at what they do, however.
Oh, bullshit. I've met plenty of people who are smart and capable, yet arrogant as fuck. The smartest dude I know practically never stops patting himself on the back, but he gets shit done, period.
Congratulations on being suckered in by his hype. Too bad being "the smartest dude you know" doesn't necessarily make a person good at their job. "Getting shit done" doesn't necessarily make a person good at their job. I stand by my statement.
Three of the "greatest" webcomic artists/writers of our generation, who between them almost essentially defined webcomics, and they can't deliver something more interesting than any of the other random stuff I'm reading every day. And they deliver less often than most of them, too.
This is almost exactly what I was saying. Three renowned webcomic personas gang together and this Trenches webcomic sucks. It's not funny in the least. The jokes are subpar for Ziggy, the character designs are stagnant and look like they were cobbled together from an Ed Emberley book, and the stories they're getting game testers to share are self-fellating sobfests, This is awful.
I'm reminded of the year 2000. Kevin Spacey. Helen Hunt. Haley Joel Osment. Three oscar winners, coming together. What did they make? Pay It Forward, an awful, awful movie. The Trenches is the Pay It Forward of webcomics.
I am giving them some time to get the comic on its feet and set up. I at first thought, sure a couple weeks and then we'll have been introduced to the characters and they will be in a work environment together and then it will get better, and maybe this is still true, but it's just taking longer than I wanted. Perhaps they are just giving us too much backstory/buildup before actually getting to THE story, which is of course working in the trenches. Then I realized maybe this IS the story and I made incorrect assumptions about what the "trenches" are. Based on the horror story entries, and comments here, a large part of working in the industry to looking for work off and on, constantly.
Another thing I noticed is that if I just read the strip I wouldn't know that it was a strip about working in the trenches of the gaming industry. I seems so far like it could be a normal office setting and nothing really makes it part of the game development industry so far.
What I think would have/still will help is if they (at least to get us started off) gave us more strips at once than 2 a week. I have a sense they do them in batches, and/or they have a stockpile that they are going through and at the same time adding to, for those periods where they may end up busy with other things (projects, life) and being able to skip making 2 trenches strips a week because they can just pull from the stockpile would help greatly. That's a great setup, but starting out the funny and the development has been REALLY slow with only 2 short strips a week.
In the end I will still read it, and I'm sure it'll grow into something that I enjoy. I really like having a new strip from Mike & Jerry 5 days a week, or I like the idea of it. I also have the feeling that if I were to walk away and then start over reading Trenches a year from now it would read much better because it wouldn't feel so slow or piecemeal.
Oh, bullshit. I've met plenty of people who are smart and capable, yet arrogant as fuck. The smartest dude I know practically never stops patting himself on the back, but he gets shit done, period.
Congratulations on being suckered in by his hype. Too bad being "the smartest dude you know" doesn't necessarily make a person good at their job. "Getting shit done" doesn't necessarily make a person good at their job. I stand by my statement.
You do realize, when thenightwatchman says 'smart and capable', 'smartest dude he knows', and 'gets shit done', he is probably referring to being good at his job, considering he was responding exactly to what you were saying? Simply because he did not use the words 'good at his job', you are standing by your statement?
If you're still going to stand by your statement, well then I know people who are arrogant and good at their job. So there. Blanket statements are dumb.
most obvious ending to a story ever!
everybody else is working overtime to get this thing done and they see you there, hey you're not busy, can you walk the dogs? this is a sign that you should not expect to be highly valued at the end of the project
Oh, bullshit. I've met plenty of people who are smart and capable, yet arrogant as fuck. The smartest dude I know practically never stops patting himself on the back, but he gets shit done, period.
Congratulations on being suckered in by his hype. Too bad being "the smartest dude you know" doesn't necessarily make a person good at their job. "Getting shit done" doesn't necessarily make a person good at their job. I stand by my statement.
You misunderstand. I've worked with the guy. This isn't a question of me "being suckered in" by anything. I've seen him at work, both on his own and on things where we shared responsibility. He fucked up from time to time like everyone else, but by and large he was among the best.
My anecdotal example wasn't really the point though... I just hate it when people generalize things like they're obvious facts when they clearly aren't. "People who say they're REALLY good at their job, aren't," is a silly blanket statement. You know this is a fact, universally? You've not only never met an arrogant person who is good at what they do, but you also deny that such a person could possibly exist? Nonsense.
I mean, I will gladly agree that lots of people say "I'm great at... " whatever it is, and then turn out to be complete doorknobs. Absolutely. But there is such a thing as an arrogant person who is really good at their job. Maybe you haven't met one, and that's fine, but they're out there.
If nothing else, this comic has made a bunch of people register solely to argue with other people who just registered.
When do we get to give the thumbs down and have them fed to lions?
I registered just to say...
It was actually a thumbs up to have them killed; I think it was hollywood that made people think otherwise....
I like this guy already...
Also, yeah, if I'm off running silly errands I don't expect that my job is going to get saved when they are laying off 60% of the rest of their staff.
If I get asked to do something not even related to my job and that is ridiculous I'd just be like "I'm super busy with this, and don't have much time to be away from it, but if you'd like I could [propose temporary solution or quick fix]"
Quick thoughts that come to mind are running a post in the ground with leads on several different places on the lawn, so you can just tie the dogs up real quick when they need to go out, then bring em back in after a few minutes. End of the day, trash can and one of those scoopers you can be done in ~10 minutes and you not only look like a helpful person with great ideas, you look like someone who's focused on his job
I mean, I will gladly agree that lots of people say "I'm great at... " whatever it is, and then turn out to be complete doorknobs. Absolutely. But there is such a thing as an arrogant person who is really good at their job. Maybe you haven't met one, and that's fine, but they're out there.
Fair enough. I will believe it when I see it though.
If you don't think that arrogant people can be good at their jobs then you have never spoken with an air traffic controller
To be fair, it's probably safe to assume that most people have never spoken with an air traffic controller.
Let's be frank: a trained monkey could do the job of a air traffic controller. We're not talking about people who make hadron colliders, we're talking about people who verbally park aircrafts, and tell aircrafts not to hit each other in the air, which, all the same, how do you collide with all that space? The only reason the air traffic controller job is difficult, is because as soon as you fuck up, a plane is most likely going to be destroyed and people are going to die.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that an arrogant air traffic controller who is good at his/her job is immensely lowering the bar for everyone else.
I mean, I will gladly agree that lots of people say "I'm great at... " whatever it is, and then turn out to be complete doorknobs. Absolutely. But there is such a thing as an arrogant person who is really good at their job. Maybe you haven't met one, and that's fine, but they're out there.
Fair enough. I will believe it when I see it though.
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I'd be more inclined to say Zynga.
While he might of thought this was a way to get in good, it had to be a red flag when everybody else is busting ass for 80 hour weeks and he's strolling the park.
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I know a lot of guys who are smart, capable, arrogant as fuck, and never get anything accomplished. I also know a few of them that get stuff done. None of them, that I've met so far, are particularly all-around awesome at their job. I've met a lot of humble people who are very capable at what they do, however.
This is almost exactly what I was saying. Three renowned webcomic personas gang together and this Trenches webcomic sucks. It's not funny in the least. The jokes are subpar for Ziggy, the character designs are stagnant and look like they were cobbled together from an Ed Emberley book, and the stories they're getting game testers to share are self-fellating sobfests, This is awful.
I'm reminded of the year 2000. Kevin Spacey. Helen Hunt. Haley Joel Osment. Three oscar winners, coming together. What did they make? Pay It Forward, an awful, awful movie. The Trenches is the Pay It Forward of webcomics.
Another thing I noticed is that if I just read the strip I wouldn't know that it was a strip about working in the trenches of the gaming industry. I seems so far like it could be a normal office setting and nothing really makes it part of the game development industry so far.
What I think would have/still will help is if they (at least to get us started off) gave us more strips at once than 2 a week. I have a sense they do them in batches, and/or they have a stockpile that they are going through and at the same time adding to, for those periods where they may end up busy with other things (projects, life) and being able to skip making 2 trenches strips a week because they can just pull from the stockpile would help greatly. That's a great setup, but starting out the funny and the development has been REALLY slow with only 2 short strips a week.
In the end I will still read it, and I'm sure it'll grow into something that I enjoy. I really like having a new strip from Mike & Jerry 5 days a week, or I like the idea of it. I also have the feeling that if I were to walk away and then start over reading Trenches a year from now it would read much better because it wouldn't feel so slow or piecemeal.
You do realize, when thenightwatchman says 'smart and capable', 'smartest dude he knows', and 'gets shit done', he is probably referring to being good at his job, considering he was responding exactly to what you were saying? Simply because he did not use the words 'good at his job', you are standing by your statement?
If you're still going to stand by your statement, well then I know people who are arrogant and good at their job. So there. Blanket statements are dumb.
When do we get to give the thumbs down and have them fed to lions?
How is people joining to engage in a relevant argument a bad thing?
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everybody else is working overtime to get this thing done and they see you there, hey you're not busy, can you walk the dogs? this is a sign that you should not expect to be highly valued at the end of the project
I registered just to say...
It was actually a thumbs up to have them killed; I think it was hollywood that made people think otherwise....
You misunderstand. I've worked with the guy. This isn't a question of me "being suckered in" by anything. I've seen him at work, both on his own and on things where we shared responsibility. He fucked up from time to time like everyone else, but by and large he was among the best.
My anecdotal example wasn't really the point though... I just hate it when people generalize things like they're obvious facts when they clearly aren't. "People who say they're REALLY good at their job, aren't," is a silly blanket statement. You know this is a fact, universally? You've not only never met an arrogant person who is good at what they do, but you also deny that such a person could possibly exist? Nonsense.
I mean, I will gladly agree that lots of people say "I'm great at... " whatever it is, and then turn out to be complete doorknobs. Absolutely. But there is such a thing as an arrogant person who is really good at their job. Maybe you haven't met one, and that's fine, but they're out there.
I like this guy already...
Also, yeah, if I'm off running silly errands I don't expect that my job is going to get saved when they are laying off 60% of the rest of their staff.
If I get asked to do something not even related to my job and that is ridiculous I'd just be like "I'm super busy with this, and don't have much time to be away from it, but if you'd like I could [propose temporary solution or quick fix]"
Quick thoughts that come to mind are running a post in the ground with leads on several different places on the lawn, so you can just tie the dogs up real quick when they need to go out, then bring em back in after a few minutes. End of the day, trash can and one of those scoopers you can be done in ~10 minutes and you not only look like a helpful person with great ideas, you look like someone who's focused on his job
Fair enough. I will believe it when I see it though.
I wouldn't get too attached to me, those lions are pretty fast.
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To be fair, it's probably safe to assume that most people have never spoken with an air traffic controller.
Let's be frank: a trained monkey could do the job of a air traffic controller. We're not talking about people who make hadron colliders, we're talking about people who verbally park aircrafts, and tell aircrafts not to hit each other in the air, which, all the same, how do you collide with all that space? The only reason the air traffic controller job is difficult, is because as soon as you fuck up, a plane is most likely going to be destroyed and people are going to die.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that an arrogant air traffic controller who is good at his/her job is immensely lowering the bar for everyone else.
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