Well, okay, here
I know that the bit that always gets quoted is a little out of context and the real reason she couldn't go back to Narnia was because she quit believing in it entirely, which is an understandable reason for not being allowed into a place
However
This does not justify killing her entire family in a train crash so they can go to Narnia while leaving her the only survivor
well it ain't like Aslan caused the train crash or anything, it was just a thing that happened.
Bullshit! He's God! At best he knew it would happen and did nothing to stop it
See, and here is basically where we also hit my problem with certain actual religions
God is asleep at the wheel. There's empty beer cans all over the passenger seat, and a still-lit joint that has fallen to the seat, lighting the seat cover on fire.
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well it ain't like Aslan caused the train crash or anything, it was just a thing that happened.
Bullshit! He's God! At best he knew it would happen and did nothing to stop it
See, and here is basically where we also hit my problem with certain actual religions
God is asleep at the wheel. There's empty beer cans all over the passenger seat, and a still-lit joint that has fallen to the seat, lighting the seat cover on fire.
God is the Dude?
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Dear god man, have you never heard of downloads
Said Winston Churchill
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I was going to go looking for those after I saw the BBC Christmas trailer yesterday. I like to think that Rory has received a Cyberman costume as a present.
Well, okay, here
I know that the bit that always gets quoted is a little out of context and the real reason she couldn't go back to Narnia was because she quit believing in it entirely, which is an understandable reason for not being allowed into a place
However
This does not justify killing her entire family in a train crash so they can go to Narnia while leaving her the only survivor
Seriously.
Seriously.
I mean the thing is, as an adult it's easy to say "Oh, it's blown out of proportion," but as a young girl reading the series - particularly as a young girl whose favourite character was Susan - The Last Battle was such a "WHAT WHAT WAIT WHAT?!" moment that it soured the entire series for me for ages.
(Okay let's be honest I never enjoyed the books as much again because of it.)
"Sandra has a good solid anti-murderer vibe. My skin felt very secure and sufficiently attached to my body when I met her. Also my organs." HAIL SATAN
Well, okay, here
I know that the bit that always gets quoted is a little out of context and the real reason she couldn't go back to Narnia was because she quit believing in it entirely, which is an understandable reason for not being allowed into a place
However
This does not justify killing her entire family in a train crash so they can go to Narnia while leaving her the only survivor
Seriously.
Seriously.
I mean the thing is, as an adult it's easy to say "Oh, it's blown out of proportion," but as a young girl reading the series - particularly as a young girl whose favourite character was Susan - The Last Battle was such a "WHAT WHAT WAIT WHAT?!" moment that it soured the entire series for me for ages.
(Okay let's be honest I never enjoyed the books as much again because of it.)
I felt this way too, also because I was under the impression that it was partly because she got too interested in boys and make-up. She was my favourite too, she was a strong female!
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Exactly! Lucy's all "Wooo I'm the best because I believe Aslan whenever," but who's the one with the bow and arrow and the horn? Totally Susan.
E: It was probably a double-blow for me as the oldest in my family, now that I think about it.
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"Sandra has a good solid anti-murderer vibe. My skin felt very secure and sufficiently attached to my body when I met her. Also my organs." HAIL SATAN
It always struck me as a kind of heavy-handed analogy about faith, except with imagination. But what's more, it totally flew in the face of the previously posited theme that good acts were, supposedly, independent of belief/faith/specific religion (here, where the cleric to an evil god has actually done good acts):
Aslan, “Child, all the service thou hast done to Tash, I account as service done to me…” Emeth, “Is it then true…that thou and Tash are one?” The Lion growled so that the earth shook (but his wrath was not against me) and said, “It is false. Not because he and I are one, but because we are opposites, I take to me the services which thou hast done to him. For he and I are of such different kinds that no service which is vile can be done to me, and none which is not vile can be done to him. Therefore, if any man swear by Tash and keep his oath for the oath’s sake, it is by me that he has truly sworn, though he know it not, and it is I who reward him. And if any man do a cruelty in my name, then, though he says the name Aslan, it is Tash whom he serves and by Tash his deed is accepted”
TL:DR; Lewis put one of his best characters on a bus, presumably just to make a really hamfisted point. And I'm not sure what the point was even supposed to be because it seemed real contradictory
I liked the Dr Who episode with the Devil in it, trapped before time began in a prison slowly orbiting the dying universe or whatever
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Well said, Ed. I think from a storytelling point of view, it's deeply unsatisfying (not to mention nonsensical) to give up a character you've spent multiple books constructing and fleshing out as gentle, kind, and courageous, just for the purposes of the allegory you're determined to construct and see through to the finish. Why, as an author, would you want to create a character for your readers to become attached to only to end it all with a symbolic door slam in the face?
"Sandra has a good solid anti-murderer vibe. My skin felt very secure and sufficiently attached to my body when I met her. Also my organs." HAIL SATAN
I really have to draw Tash sometime. I've already done some similar stuff a few years back and i'd like to address it with whatever skill i've accumulated since
well it ain't like Aslan caused the train crash or anything, it was just a thing that happened.
Bullshit! He's God! At best he knew it would happen and did nothing to stop it
See, and here is basically where we also hit my problem with certain actual religions
God is asleep at the wheel. There's empty beer cans all over the passenger seat, and a still-lit joint that has fallen to the seat, lighting the seat cover on fire.
God is the Dude?
Oh man it all makes sense
edit: Anti is that a damn My Chemical Romance theme
Well said, Ed. I think from a storytelling point of view, it's deeply unsatisfying (not to mention nonsensical) to give up a character you've spent multiple books constructing and fleshing out as gentle, kind, and courageous, just for the purposes of the allegory you're determined to construct and see through to the finish. Why, as an author, would you want to create a character for your readers to become attached to only to end it all with a symbolic door slam in the face?
Thinking back on this, I can see where as a boy I was not too bothered by it, but for girls it would be a pretty big slap in the face. The old criticism that the condemnation of Susan is a condemnation of female sexuality misses this point; that the act is off-handed and perfunctory. It's just thrown in as a warning to girls not to get caught up in "nylons and lipstick and invitations". Perhaps Susan grew out of that phase. We cannot know. It is still an utterly tone-deaf moralism thrown into an otherwise happy ending.
well it ain't like Aslan caused the train crash or anything, it was just a thing that happened.
Bullshit! He's God! At best he knew it would happen and did nothing to stop it
See, and here is basically where we also hit my problem with certain actual religions
God is asleep at the wheel. There's empty beer cans all over the passenger seat, and a still-lit joint that has fallen to the seat, lighting the seat cover on fire.
God is the Dude?
Oh man it all makes sense
edit: Anti is that a damn My Chemical Romance theme
i did it for grant morrison and nothing more
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well it ain't like Aslan caused the train crash or anything, it was just a thing that happened.
Bullshit! He's God! At best he knew it would happen and did nothing to stop it
See, and here is basically where we also hit my problem with certain actual religions
God is asleep at the wheel. There's empty beer cans all over the passenger seat, and a still-lit joint that has fallen to the seat, lighting the seat cover on fire.
God is the Dude?
You know that Evil Diva webcomic? God actually is The Dude in that.
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I'm a bit confused by that, I'm positive I saw it in a shop not long ago...
Yeah, it's been available in Australia for a couple of months. And if it's been out here for a couple of months, I'm surprised you guys didn't have it available last year in the US/UK/everywhere-else-money-hungry-publishers-actually-care-about-I-hate-you-all.
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Well, okay, here
I know that the bit that always gets quoted is a little out of context and the real reason she couldn't go back to Narnia was because she quit believing in it entirely, which is an understandable reason for not being allowed into a place
However
This does not justify killing her entire family in a train crash so they can go to Narnia while leaving her the only survivor
OH MY GOD
Bullshit! He's God!
At best he knew it would happen and did nothing to stop it
See, and here is basically where we also hit my problem with certain actual religions
God is asleep at the wheel. There's empty beer cans all over the passenger seat, and a still-lit joint that has fallen to the seat, lighting the seat cover on fire.
Said Winston Churchill
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Seriously.
Seriously.
I mean the thing is, as an adult it's easy to say "Oh, it's blown out of proportion," but as a young girl reading the series - particularly as a young girl whose favourite character was Susan - The Last Battle was such a "WHAT WHAT WAIT WHAT?!" moment that it soured the entire series for me for ages.
(Okay let's be honest I never enjoyed the books as much again because of it.)
"Sandra has a good solid anti-murderer vibe. My skin felt very secure and sufficiently attached to my body when I met her. Also my organs." HAIL SATAN
I felt this way too, also because I was under the impression that it was partly because she got too interested in boys and make-up. She was my favourite too, she was a strong female!
E: It was probably a double-blow for me as the oldest in my family, now that I think about it.
"Sandra has a good solid anti-murderer vibe. My skin felt very secure and sufficiently attached to my body when I met her. Also my organs." HAIL SATAN
TL:DR; Lewis put one of his best characters on a bus, presumably just to make a really hamfisted point. And I'm not sure what the point was even supposed to be because it seemed real contradictory
Heavy stuff
"Sandra has a good solid anti-murderer vibe. My skin felt very secure and sufficiently attached to my body when I met her. Also my organs." HAIL SATAN
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Oh man it all makes sense
edit: Anti is that a damn My Chemical Romance theme
Thinking back on this, I can see where as a boy I was not too bothered by it, but for girls it would be a pretty big slap in the face. The old criticism that the condemnation of Susan is a condemnation of female sexuality misses this point; that the act is off-handed and perfunctory. It's just thrown in as a warning to girls not to get caught up in "nylons and lipstick and invitations". Perhaps Susan grew out of that phase. We cannot know. It is still an utterly tone-deaf moralism thrown into an otherwise happy ending.
I think you guys could appreciate this.
Moffat tries to clear up the rumors about a Doctor Who movie.
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I'm a bit confused by that, I'm positive I saw it in a shop not long ago...
http://www.penguin.co.uk/nf/Book/BookDisplay/0,,9781405908177,00.html
http://merchandise.thedoctorwhosite.co.uk/doctor-who-wheres-the-doctor/
Doctor Who: Where’s the Doctor?
Released 06 Oct 2011
http://www.bookdepository.co.uk/Doctor-Who-Wheres-Doctor/9781405908177
So, I have no idea what's up with that Amazon version / page, but yeah, it seems to be available elsewhere right now.
You know that Evil Diva webcomic? God actually is The Dude in that.
Yeah, it's been available in Australia for a couple of months. And if it's been out here for a couple of months, I'm surprised you guys didn't have it available last year in the US/UK/everywhere-else-money-hungry-publishers-actually-care-about-I-hate-you-all.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-16136521
Doctor Who fans are getting a fresh opportunity to travel back in time with the discovery of two missing episodes from the long-running BBC series.
Did... did he have to word that so ominously?