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Fraternity/Sorority Secrets (Is everything really on the Internet?)

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  • MalkorMalkor Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    hjp4 wrote: »
    What the fuck is that girl crying about

    alcohol

    edit: Also you might be able to find generic stuff on the internet about initiations and the like, but the stuff that sets each individual house apart from the rest isn't going to be out there unless there's one or a few really angry people. I remember I attended a ceremony for a different chapter of my fraternity that was wildly different from one we would hold, almost to the point that I didn't recognize it at all.

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  • McAllenMcAllen Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    One of the rituals that I have listened about was where people were blindfolded and had to snake around the room holding onto the shoulders of the person in front of them, I don't remember what happens if you screw that up.

    Also they have their own Alma Mater and stuff like that. I guess it's the same like having a boy's club or girl's.



    OT:
    It's hard for me to understand fraternities. As far as I can tell, you can use them as a social network to make friends easily and get possible discounts on whatever they can provide(I guess).

    I guess I don't understand the 'sacred' part of Fraternities where you're meant to keep(overall) meaningless secrets. It sounds like a niche that some people would like to fulfill, where you think you're part of a super cool league of extraordinary gentlemen, which I don't mean to sound insulting or rude.

    I also don't know the overall history of fraternities or why they were born this way. I'm sure it has something to do with Greek culture. Figuring out secret hand signals and gestures for parties like the KKK and Black Panthers seems a lot less laughable, since they're meant to do illegal things in most cases and it feels more appropriate to keep those things under wraps.

    EDIT: One of my college professors did research on the Stone Masons, and he said most people love giving their secret shit out if they think it'll get them some fame. If you decided to do research on your own to find out about Fraternity rituals and guaranteed some anonymity to your guest you can probably get the juicier stuff from them.

  • MalkorMalkor Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    McAllen wrote: »
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    OT:
    It's hard for me to understand fraternities. As far as I can tell, you can use them as a social network to make friends easily and get possible discounts on whatever they can provide(I guess).

    I guess I don't understand the 'sacred' part of Fraternities where you're meant to keep(overall) meaningless secrets. It sounds like a niche that some people would like to fulfill, where you think you're part of a super cool league of extraordinary gentlemen, which I don't mean to sound insulting or rude.

    It was fun mostly. I got to meet people that I probably wouldn't have otherwise, and do stuff that I might have avoided or looked down on. Like anything else, you pretty much get out of it what you put in, and I was lucky enough to be with a group that put a lot of effort into social and philanthropic activities (they snagged me though a charity event).

    The 'sacred' bits are just like any group's relatively unimportant stuff, things are passed down just 'cause. Some of it is helpful or inspiring and a lot of it is silly or dumb, but it is a part of the experience and meant to be experienced I guess.

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  • Iceman.USAFIceman.USAF Captain East CoastRegistered User regular
    edited January 2010
    McAllen wrote: »
    One of the rituals that I have listened about was where people were blindfolded and had to snake around the room holding onto the shoulders of the person in front of them, I don't remember what happens if you screw that up.

    Also they have their own Alma Mater and stuff like that. I guess it's the same like having a boy's club or girl's.



    OT:
    It's hard for me to understand fraternities. As far as I can tell, you can use them as a social network to make friends easily and get possible discounts on whatever they can provide(I guess).

    I guess I don't understand the 'sacred' part of Fraternities where you're meant to keep(overall) meaningless secrets. It sounds like a niche that some people would like to fulfill, where you think you're part of a super cool league of extraordinary gentlemen, which I don't mean to sound insulting or rude.

    I also don't know the overall history of fraternities or why they were born this way. I'm sure it has something to do with Greek culture. Figuring out secret hand signals and gestures for parties like the KKK and Black Panthers seems a lot less laughable, since they're meant to do illegal things in most cases and it feels more appropriate to keep those things under wraps.

    EDIT: One of my college professors did research on the Stone Masons, and he said most people love giving their secret shit out if they think it'll get them some fame. If you decided to do research on your own to find out about Fraternity rituals and guaranteed some anonymity to your guest you can probably get the juicier stuff from them.


    Modern Greek fraternity/sorority systems were born out of the need for a place for students (and professors!) to both be social AND learn. They have next to nothing to do with actual Greek (as in from Greece) culture. More latin, actually.

    Thats the super short version.



  • VladimerVladimer Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    The secrets aren't "useless" to the members of the respective fraternities/sororities. It's really just something you can't explain to someone who hasn't been through the experience (not in the "ooooh we have a secret" sense, but in what it means to the members).

  • Solomaxwell6Solomaxwell6 Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Vladimer wrote: »
    The secrets aren't "useless" to the members of the respective fraternities/sororities. It's really just something you can't explain to someone who hasn't been through the experience (not in the "ooooh we have a secret" sense, but in what it means to the members).

    This.

    The actual secrets themselves don't really matter much. But it's one more thing that binds us together as a brotherhood instead of just a few people that happen to live with each other. It's hard for someone who isn't part of a fraternity/sorority to really understand why it's important to us, since it's sort of its own unique experience.

  • Eat it You Nasty Pig.Eat it You Nasty Pig. tell homeland security 'we are the bomb'Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    It's bonding, it's a way of making it exclusive. It adds value for you as a member if you know something very few other people do, even if it's ultimately meaningless knowledge. If the traditions extend long enough, it provides a way to connect with older alumni.

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  • stepscloserstepscloser Registered User new member
    Phi Sigma Sigma secrets are:

    Phi Sigma Sigma (PSS) secretly stands for Philanthropic Social Society. However, this is never written down or recorded (until now) because it is so "sacred". The Handshake consists of a series of motions. Member A first begins with the pointer finger and the thumb surrounding Member B's pointer finger and thumb. This is the "Phi". Then Member A wraps the remaining fingers, middle, ring and pinky around the hand as a symbol of the "Sigma". Depending on who is the senior member, the pinky finger is wrapped around the older member's hand. Next is the hand knock. It goes Knock. Pause. Knock. Pause. Knock, knock, knock. The meetings are set up usually with the President, VP and other officers sitting at the front. The President wears a yellow or gold robe and the officers wear royal blue robes. The remaining members sit across from the officers in a pyramid formation with the base closest to the officers and the apex farthest from the officers. Members are seated by class order, then by alphabetical order. The table at which the President and Vice President are seated consists of candles on each side. Two gold candles and one blue at each corner of the table. Members usually recite an oath, "We, the members of Phi Sigma Sigma, promise to keep secret and sacred all of our proceedings." The way to enter the pyramid is by using the hand knock to notify the members you are wanting to enter the room. The President will respond back with her gavel by repeating the knock. The person will enter then travel to the apex of the pyramid formation. The President will say the secret and sacred words "Remove the Veil" and then the member will respond back with the Chapter's name, example, "Zeta Eta." The Gold and King Blue symbolize "Perpetuity" and "Sincerity". At initiation, blue "veils" (tulle from the local fabric store) are placed on the heads of the potential new members and are later removed to symbolize some sort of occult transformation and that they are full-fledged members.

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  • karinjoneskarinjones Registered User new member
    TO “STEPSCLOSER,” an individual who posted information on this forum in November 2011 regarding Phi Sigma Sigma (“PSS”): PSS hereby notifies you that it served a Subpoena Duces Tecum on the host of this internet forum, Penny Arcade, Inc., on April 28, 2015, seeking information regarding your identity in connection with your November 2011 post. Any response to the Subpoena may be directed to PSS’s counsel: James Shore and Karin Jones, Stoel Rives LLP, 600 University St., Ste. 3600, Seattle, WA 98101.

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  • MulletudeMulletude Glorious Leader! Registered User regular
    edited August 2015
    Mulletude was warned for this.
    LOL

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  • GaslightGaslight Registered User regular
    For those of you who may have forgotten, Gabe and Tycho got sent a DMCA takedown request over the above post from November 2011 also. You can read Gabe's news post about it here, and they did a comic about it here.

    Three years later, Phi Sigma Sigma, the gift that keeps on giving.

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  • Kilgore TroutKilgore Trout Registered User regular
    edited August 2015
    Kilgore Trout was warned for this.
    Deebaser wrote: »
    On the scale of worth it to fuck it, dude, fuck it. No good can come from this.

    Fucking with people and their beliefs can have consequences in the real world.

    This. Doesn't matter if it's fraternities, religion, politics, or anything else. Screwing with people and their beliefs just to "make a point' is a dick move and serves no purpose other than you showing off how much smarter you supposedly are for not sharing that belief. Talk about petty BS.

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  • MulletudeMulletude Glorious Leader! Registered User regular
    Deebaser wrote: »
    On the scale of worth it to fuck it, dude, fuck it. No good can come from this.

    Fucking with people and their beliefs can have consequences in the real world.

    This. Doesn't matter if it's fraternities, religion, politics, or anything else. Screwing with people and their beliefs just to "make a point' is a dick move and serves no purpose other than you showing off how much smarter you supposedly are for not sharing that belief. Talk about petty BS.

    Do you realize you are responding to a post from 5 years ago

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  • NoughtNought Registered User regular
    edited August 2015
    Nought was warned for this.
    Mulletude wrote: »
    Deebaser wrote: »
    On the scale of worth it to fuck it, dude, fuck it. No good can come from this.

    Fucking with people and their beliefs can have consequences in the real world.

    This. Doesn't matter if it's fraternities, religion, politics, or anything else. Screwing with people and their beliefs just to "make a point' is a dick move and serves no purpose other than you showing off how much smarter you supposedly are for not sharing that belief. Talk about petty BS.

    Do you realize you are responding to a post from 5 years ago

    That gives @Deebaser five years to respond right?

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  • Kilgore TroutKilgore Trout Registered User regular
    Nought wrote: »
    Mulletude wrote: »
    Deebaser wrote: »
    On the scale of worth it to fuck it, dude, fuck it. No good can come from this.

    Fucking with people and their beliefs can have consequences in the real world.

    This. Doesn't matter if it's fraternities, religion, politics, or anything else. Screwing with people and their beliefs just to "make a point' is a dick move and serves no purpose other than you showing off how much smarter you supposedly are for not sharing that belief. Talk about petty BS.

    Do you realize you are responding to a post from 5 years ago

    That gives @Deebaser five years to respond right?

    Date stamps are for chumps. I just read whatever pops up at the top of the forum and reply if I've got something to say. Honestly had no damn clue.

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  • GaslightGaslight Registered User regular
    Gaslight wrote: »
    For those of you who may have forgotten, Gabe and Tycho got sent a DMCA takedown request over the above post from November 2011 also. You can read Gabe's news post about it here, and they did a comic about it here.

    Three years later, Phi Sigma Sigma, the gift that keeps on giving.

    I should have mentioned that my favorite thing about that comic is the reference to "selfshots." Had "selfie" really not become an accepted term by the latter end of 2012?

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  • Fuzzy Cumulonimbus CloudFuzzy Cumulonimbus Cloud Grinning Face With Ice Cream Cone Registered User regular
    Gaslight wrote: »
    Gaslight wrote: »
    For those of you who may have forgotten, Gabe and Tycho got sent a DMCA takedown request over the above post from November 2011 also. You can read Gabe's news post about it here, and they did a comic about it here.

    Three years later, Phi Sigma Sigma, the gift that keeps on giving.

    I should have mentioned that my favorite thing about that comic is the reference to "selfshots." Had "selfie" really not become an accepted term by the latter end of 2012?
    https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=selfie
    not until later in 2013

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  • EncEnc Briarthorn Alliance FloridaRegistered User regular
    The Streisand Effect strikes again.

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  • ProjeckProjeck Registered User regular
    Gaslight wrote: »
    Gaslight wrote: »
    For those of you who may have forgotten, Gabe and Tycho got sent a DMCA takedown request over the above post from November 2011 also. You can read Gabe's news post about it here, and they did a comic about it here.

    Three years later, Phi Sigma Sigma, the gift that keeps on giving.

    I should have mentioned that my favorite thing about that comic is the reference to "selfshots." Had "selfie" really not become an accepted term by the latter end of 2012?
    https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=selfie
    not until later in 2013

    wow, that's incredible. i hadn't a clue.

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  • The EnderThe Ender Registered User regular
    IANAL, but I am skeptical that you'll have a lot of success with a subpoena against a throwaway internet handle.


    But hey, you're the expert.

    :|

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  • minor incidentminor incident a crow, a scavenger type Registered User regular
    edited August 2015
    minor incident was warned for this.
    Best stupid necro-thread ever.

    Also, guys, really, that's the "password1" of secret knocks.

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    I just think it's hilarious they waste money to have a lawyer come in and confirm the info posted when most people would have just thought it was another funny internet post.

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  • MalgarasMalgaras Registered User regular
    edited August 2015
    The Ender wrote: »
    IANAL, but I am skeptical that you'll have a lot of success with a subpoena against a throwaway internet handle.


    But hey, you're the expert.

    :|
    To be fair, you don't need it to be successful to get paid. If I was a lawyer and somebody wanted to give me a ton of money to send a letter and make a forum post, I'd do it in a heartbeat.

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  • Eat it You Nasty Pig.Eat it You Nasty Pig. tell homeland security 'we are the bomb'Registered User regular
    edited August 2015
    Eat it You Nasty Pig. was warned for this.
    it's even more amusing when one realizes that googling around for forums where stuff like this has been disclosed represents a nontrivial portion of the workday of somebody presumably-pretty-well-compensated (I mean, how do I get that gig?)

    also, that coming back four years later and bumping the thread gave it a bunch more exposure

    dear national orgs: nobody cares about your secrets unless you go on and on about how secret they are

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  • RobonunRobonun 94 Painful Thorn Enlightens the Slothful Registered User regular
    Holy crap, my sister was in Phi Sigma Sigma. I totally have to ask her about all these Sooper Sekrits(TM).

  • jefe414jefe414 Lost in time, low on gas, surrounded by evilRegistered User regular
    Best stupid necro-thread ever.

    Also, guys, really, that's the "password1" of secret knocks.

    I would have been more impressed if it was the old 'shave and a haircut' knock.

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  • EncEnc Briarthorn Alliance FloridaRegistered User regular
    I wonder at what point the "duct taping two big-gulps filled with grain alcohol and making the initiate squat in a plastic tub until both are fully consumed" becomes an official step. Because that's the news story I actually know of this sorority.

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  • ceresceres I'm just your problem Registered User, Moderator mod
    Alright guys, this is still Help/Advice.

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  • AOII Whistle BlowerAOII Whistle Blower Registered User new member
    Alpha Omicron Pi Secrets are:

    Our core values are sweetness and obedience. We do have a ritual book, even though its existence is supposed to be a secret. Every chapter house has at least one ritual book, and usually the president and the keeper of the ritual officer are the ones who have a copy. No one is supposed to make copies of the book or write anything down. During ritual the president reads the ritual book. Once ritual starts all sisters put on a white robe on top of their white dresses. I think most sororities wear a robe, what makes our different is the Scarlet red hood that forms the shape of an A in the back. A as in Alpha. Sisters put the hood on each other before ritual, and only another sister can take it off afterwards. You can't take it off yourself.

    Once you put on a robe, you can not say a word until you take it off except the president who will read the ritual of course. The ritual speaks of our core values which include sweetness and obedience. Some of the sisters hold a sword, and a lamp which symbolizes the sword that keeps our ritual, its values, and its secrecy. Some sisters hold a lamp, which lights the world. Meaning that Alpha Omicron Pi sisters and its values are supposed to be the lights that guides the world. Sisters stand forming the shape of an A throughout ritual. Our ritual has some bible passages, but the one that sisters cherish the most is "When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things."

    Once a week, collegiate chapters have chapter meetings which only initiated sisters can attend. Before it starts, the keeper of the ritual or the president stand in front of the door and sisters form a line outside to be admitted in the room. Before entering, there's a secret handshake which consists of using both hands to do the handshake to conceal what is happening inside, and also to help form the shape of an A. We rub our middle fingers, thus completing the shape of an A. We then mouth the words "Keila Fella meira" (I don't know if that's how you spell it) which means "Good friends seeth rejoiceth" which means that good friends rejoice in seeing each other after a long time.

    I know I am not supposed to be revealing these secrets, but the reason I am is because I am born again in Christ and after careful consideration and meditation about this I realize that this ritual is filled with analogies to the Anti-Christ. Christ is the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last. When putting on the hood, it forms the shape of an Alpha inverted, i.e. Christ inverted. Second we have the lamp and the allusion that Alpha Omicron Pi and its values is the light that guide the world. However the bible clearly says that Christ and God's word alone are the light that guides the world. And the sword that guides our ritual, resembles the sword used by angels sent by God to protect man from evil. I use to love AOII but now that I see it for what it is, I want to make a statement that I no longer condone it. Me revealing this ritual is me staying that, and I hope this serves as a warning for girls who are considering joining.

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  • darkmayodarkmayo Registered User regular
    ugh.. can a mod lock this thread (as hilarious as it is) since nobody here actually gives a crap about "sorority secrets"

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  • EncEnc Briarthorn Alliance FloridaRegistered User regular
    Except, of course, the sorority lawyer squad apparently.

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  • TNTrooperTNTrooper Registered User regular
    Maybe this one will get subpoenaed in under 5 years.

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  • The EnderThe Ender Registered User regular
    @";AOII Whistle Blower"

    Okay; while college club secrets may be silly and/or strange, and while it's still hilarious to me that someone cared enough about the specifics of PSS proceedings being disclosed that they actually contacted a solicitor about the matter: a fundamental principle in ethics is to respect confidential information that someone has entrusted you with (though you always need to make a judgement call, of course, if someone has - say - given you information that you feel may lead to real harm if you don't come forward with it).

    Spamming that information onto message boards in order to get attention (I don't buy your claim about feeling compelled to infodump here because of strong Christian convictions; I think you saw the reaction to the PSS disclosure and wanted to get a similar reaction for yourself) is not ethical, and in my opinion says much more about the person making the disclosure than the organization that wanted this largely harmless matter kept private. Think about how you would react if someone you knew decided to betray some of your secrets to a public forum for the sake of becoming popular.


    There's also nothing wrong with a little fantasy ritual or intrigue. If I'm honest, while these stories made me laugh, I'd have totally been down for that sort of roleplay if I'd managed to get to post-secondary.

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