I've grown to really hate the Empire State Building. When you see both of them on a day to day basis, you can't help but wish the Chrysler building were taller.
It is, you just have to convince the people who measure those things to not count the Derigible mooring mast which was never used. That would also put the Sears Tower ahead of the Petronas in Kuala Lumpur, but it doesn't really matter now since those got passed up anyway and the Burj Dubai is going to set a new record for a long time to come when it gets finished in a few more years.
The ESB is nice and all, but the Chrysler building is really where it's at.
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So how exactly did postmodern architecture spring from postmodern philosophy? What is the connection? As a lit student I can see the similarity between a postmodern story and a weird building that looks like it's turning into Optimus Prime, but I can't quite articulate it.
The ESB is nice and all, but the Chrysler building is really where it's at.
I remember when I was a little kid I thought that was the ESB.
I would have to agree that it looks way cooler.
I don't know a lot about this art in architecture stuff (what makes pomo different from modernism? I just never learned it) but I do like cool architecture.
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Apparently that big, golden building is pretty happy about something.
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Sometimes the cutting edge of architecture gets a little too crazy for me, but that's what you have to deal with when you're going into to new territory, you have to be willing to fuck up and put out something that looks like shit if you're ever gonna make something that is both new and interesting.
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People think it's useless to have that much stuff going on. But here's the thing: if we didn't do things that were "useless" the same way, we would end up with nothing but giant cement blocks for buildings. Things like this make places interesting and worth seeing, and create a lively, energetic culture around them. That's why most people live in the city, rather than evenly apportioned lots that only are close enough to their "work units" or some shit like that.
The ESB is nice and all, but the Chrysler building is really where it's at.
I remember when I was a little kid I thought that was the ESB.
I would have to agree that it looks way cooler.
I don't know a lot about this art in architecture stuff (what makes pomo different from modernism? I just never learned it) but I do like cool architecture.
People think it's useless to have that much stuff going on. But here's the thing: if we didn't do things that were "useless" the same way, we would end up with nothing but giant cement blocks for buildings. Things like this make places interesting and worth seeing, and create a lively, energetic culture around them. That's why most people live in the city, rather than evenly apportioned lots that only are close enough to their "work units" or some shit like that.
Exactly. Go move to the 'burbs if you want to be surrounded by bland.
also:
Sagrada Familia:
Proto on
and her knees up on the glove compartment
took out her barrettes and her hair spilled out like rootbeer
I remember seeing a show on discovery about that hotel. That little circle at the top is actually a tennis court.
I've been there. It's in Dubai. And it is swank as hell.
Also:
I feel that this building, the student center hall building thing at my school, does not fit well with the rest of the old school, copper roof architecture: http://www.epochtimes.com/i6/410122813995.jpg
People think it's useless to have that much stuff going on. But here's the thing: if we didn't do things that were "useless" the same way, we would end up with nothing but giant cement blocks for buildings. Things like this make places interesting and worth seeing, and create a lively, energetic culture around them. That's why most people live in the city, rather than evenly apportioned lots that only are close enough to their "work units" or some shit like that.
Exactly. Go move to the 'burbs if you want to be surrounded by bland.
Out of curiosity, does anyone here work at an architectural firm? As an architect, I mean, not just working in the office. I need an internship for next summer....
So how exactly did postmodern architecture spring from postmodern philosophy? What is the connection? As a lit student I can see the similarity between a postmodern story and a weird building that looks like it's turning into Optimus Prime, but I can't quite articulate it.
It essentially just rose out of the ideas of questioning authority and such which was the basis of post modern design. Modernist architecture was extremely rigid in what you could or should do and the basis for that was generally to strip things down to brass tacks and exalt in the structure. No ornamentation of any kind (although a lot of buildings broke that rule, it was still very minimalist ornament) and all that jazz. PoMo decided to hell with that rigidity and plainness of big glass boxes and decided to return whole heartedly to ornamentation at a grand scale. Then it kind of found its niche and wrote its own sort of rules to follow for its aesthetic. A lot of it is dragged from the Vegas strip of the time since Venturi's book was so important to the movement.
Out of curiosity, does anyone here work at an architectural firm? As an architect, I mean, not just working in the office. I need an internship for next summer....
Hey, I need an internship for right now, and I was here first.
So how exactly did postmodern architecture spring from postmodern philosophy? What is the connection? As a lit student I can see the similarity between a postmodern story and a weird building that looks like it's turning into Optimus Prime, but I can't quite articulate it.
It essentially just rose out of the ideas of questioning authority and such which was the basis of post modern design. Modernist architecture was extremely rigid in what you could or should do and the basis for that was generally to strip things down to brass tacks and exalt in the structure. No ornamentation of any kind (although a lot of buildings broke that rule, it was still very minimalist ornament) and all that jazz. PoMo decided to hell with that rigidity and plainness of big glass boxes and decided to return whole heartedly to ornamentation at a grand scale. Then it kind of found its niche and wrote its own sort of rules to follow for its aesthetic. A lot of it is dragged from the Vegas strip of the time since Venturi's book was so important to the movement.
So basically, freedom from restrictions that are arbitrary by recognizing that they are in fact arbitrary and have no absolute or objective aesthetic superiority
I really like this. I don't fully understand why so many people are disgusted with it [The ROM].
Even though I was talking shit about it yesterday, I do kind of like it. I like it because it is ridiculous. I don't mind seeing something that just completely sticks out like it does. I don't know if I could take too much of it, but a building here or there helps shake things up.
For example, this is the latest development back home:
It's a museum called The Rooms, modeled after old fishing rooms - buildings out on docks where you would store fishing equipment.
Everyone in my family hates it. It's "too modern" and "out of character". And it's not even all that spectacular. Heaven forbid someone in our town should try and do something different :x
I like The Rooms for the same reason I like the ROM addition - it flies in the face of all of those people who whine and complain about anything different. It needs to be done.
The Rooms and the ROM building look pretty cool, but sometimes a building really does clash with its surroundings in a bad way. Have you seen the architectural abortion they're planning to build in St. Petersburg?
St. Petersburg is a pretty flat city, considering it was built on a swamp, and it has a pretty unified, consistent classical European style to it. In a different city, it might look okay (I actually have no particular problems with the design of the tower itself), but in St. Petersburg it's just disgusting and completely out of place.
So you're opposed to change because it makes the overarching theme of everything slightly different? Oh, and classicism is composed of a variety of very different styles there isn't one overarching 'Classical European style.' I bet there were some people that were outraged at the idea of having a Baroque styled building put so close to the clearly Gothic or Romanesque structures nearby it as well.
So you're opposed to change because it makes the overarching theme of everything slightly different? Oh, and classicism is composed of a variety of very different styles there isn't one overarching 'Classical European style.' I bet there were some people that were outraged at the idea of having a Baroque styled building put so close to the clearly Gothic or Romanesque structures nearby it as well.
It doesn't make the overarching theme slightly different, it's a giant glass tower that is like ten times the size of everything else in the city and completely at odds with the city's established aesthetic.
Everything else in St. Petersburg looks like this:
There's nothing inherently wrong about a contemporary-style building in St. Petersburg either, but I think the main problem is how obnoxiously huge it is.
Those are 3 different styles and probably had some backlash when they were first put up. Particularly the Romanesque in the bottom left. I'll give you the height issue, but museumification is one of the most dangerous issues facing modern cities.
The building on the left side of the bottom picture is the same building as the first picture, The Hermitage. I think the height is my main issue with the Gazprom building, and that it's on the historic part of the skyline. God, put it downtown or something.
okay, i've been interested in architecture lately, and i've got a few questions:
wasn't there some kind of philosophy that said "yo fuck everybody, the architect has no responsibility to anyone except himself?" and if so, how in the hell could anyone take that line of thinking seriously?
and going in the opposite direction, isn't there a philosophy that says architecture inclusive to the surrounding landscape/area? and if so, what are some examples of it?
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okay, i've been interested in architecture lately, and i've got a few questions:
wasn't there some kind of philosophy that said "yo fuck everybody, the architect has no responsibility to anyone except himself?" and if so, how in the hell could anyone take that line of thinking seriously?
That's Randianism which only really existed as an architectural design philosophy in that Howard Roark was an architect in one of her crappy books. There are plenty of egocentric assholes out there who are architects, but that's more a reflection on themselves than it is an actual frame of mind.
and going in the opposite direction, isn't there a philosophy that says architecture inclusive to the surrounding landscape/area? and if so, what are some examples of it?
Critical Regionalism is one of the titles it's given, otherwise you could be thinking of regenerative designs which are essentially just LEED platinum buildings that either make a much smaller impact on or actually improve the micro ecology rather than negatively impact it. McDonough (the author of the book my sig links) has done a bunch of the latter and I can't really think of any named projects that would fall under the former to link. Just GIS it and you may come up with some buildings.
and going in the opposite direction, isn't there a philosophy that says architecture inclusive to the surrounding landscape/area? and if so, what are some examples of it?
Glen Murcutt. And Frank Lloyd Wright's waterfall house, although I hate the inside of it. A lot of Japanese traditional stuff is about letting the outside in, as is a lot of Australian stuff - there's some really nice examples of Balinese architecture fused with the old-style Queenslander home around here.
Out of curiosity, does anyone here work at an architectural firm? As an architect, I mean, not just working in the office. I need an internship for next summer....
Hey, I need an internship for right now, and I was here first.
and going in the opposite direction, isn't there a philosophy that says architecture inclusive to the surrounding landscape/area? and if so, what are some examples of it?
Glen Murcutt. And Frank Lloyd Wright's waterfall house, although I hate the inside of it. A lot of Japanese traditional stuff is about letting the outside in, as is a lot of Australian stuff - there's some really nice examples of Balinese architecture fused with the old-style Queenslander home around here.
yeah, i appreciate frank lloyd wright's stuff because i think i see what he was getting at, but i also think a lot of those houses he built were butt ugly. i hate cubist blocky crap or anything that reminds me of it. i also can't stand brutalism, which doesn't make any sense to me at all, especially given all the different kinds of building materials arcitects have at their disposal.
but i kind of dig the stuff that's supposed to be influenced by nature and the traditional building styles of the area. for instance, i like the idea of going to the southwest and making some kind of new cliff dwelling, or going to africa and incorporating old clay designs into a new modern building, things like that.
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It is, you just have to convince the people who measure those things to not count the Derigible mooring mast which was never used. That would also put the Sears Tower ahead of the Petronas in Kuala Lumpur, but it doesn't really matter now since those got passed up anyway and the Burj Dubai is going to set a new record for a long time to come when it gets finished in a few more years.
I remember when I was a little kid I thought that was the ESB.
I would have to agree that it looks way cooler.
I don't know a lot about this art in architecture stuff (what makes pomo different from modernism? I just never learned it) but I do like cool architecture.
What would you consider this:
?
Thats about all I can gather from it.
I remember seeing a show on discovery about that hotel. That little circle at the top is actually a tennis court.
I really like this. I don't fully understand why so many people are disgusted with it.
That's the world's only 7 star Rated Hotel. In DuBai, it is also the worlds tallest and is built on a man made island.
http://www.burj-al-arab.com/
It fucking rocks if you read about it.
Exactly. Go move to the 'burbs if you want to be surrounded by bland.
also:
Sagrada Familia:
took out her barrettes and her hair spilled out like rootbeer
That picture makes me think it is about to take off and destroy the city.
reminds me of an AT-AT. It's quite out of scale with the area:
Also, everything in the Minato Mirai area of Yokohama, Japan:
is fun, particularly this hotel:
Is this stuff pomo, or just tasteless?
Also:
I feel that this building, the student center hall building thing at my school, does not fit well with the rest of the old school, copper roof architecture: http://www.epochtimes.com/i6/410122813995.jpg
Oh hey, I've been there. Want some more pics?
I figured it just told too many lies.
It essentially just rose out of the ideas of questioning authority and such which was the basis of post modern design. Modernist architecture was extremely rigid in what you could or should do and the basis for that was generally to strip things down to brass tacks and exalt in the structure. No ornamentation of any kind (although a lot of buildings broke that rule, it was still very minimalist ornament) and all that jazz. PoMo decided to hell with that rigidity and plainness of big glass boxes and decided to return whole heartedly to ornamentation at a grand scale. Then it kind of found its niche and wrote its own sort of rules to follow for its aesthetic. A lot of it is dragged from the Vegas strip of the time since Venturi's book was so important to the movement.
Hey, I need an internship for right now, and I was here first.
So basically, freedom from restrictions that are arbitrary by recognizing that they are in fact arbitrary and have no absolute or objective aesthetic superiority
I can get behind that
Even though I was talking shit about it yesterday, I do kind of like it. I like it because it is ridiculous. I don't mind seeing something that just completely sticks out like it does. I don't know if I could take too much of it, but a building here or there helps shake things up.
For example, this is the latest development back home:
It's a museum called The Rooms, modeled after old fishing rooms - buildings out on docks where you would store fishing equipment.
Everyone in my family hates it. It's "too modern" and "out of character". And it's not even all that spectacular. Heaven forbid someone in our town should try and do something different :x
I like The Rooms for the same reason I like the ROM addition - it flies in the face of all of those people who whine and complain about anything different. It needs to be done.
St. Petersburg is a pretty flat city, considering it was built on a swamp, and it has a pretty unified, consistent classical European style to it. In a different city, it might look okay (I actually have no particular problems with the design of the tower itself), but in St. Petersburg it's just disgusting and completely out of place.
It doesn't make the overarching theme slightly different, it's a giant glass tower that is like ten times the size of everything else in the city and completely at odds with the city's established aesthetic.
Everything else in St. Petersburg looks like this:
There's nothing inherently wrong about a contemporary-style building in St. Petersburg either, but I think the main problem is how obnoxiously huge it is.
wasn't there some kind of philosophy that said "yo fuck everybody, the architect has no responsibility to anyone except himself?" and if so, how in the hell could anyone take that line of thinking seriously?
and going in the opposite direction, isn't there a philosophy that says architecture inclusive to the surrounding landscape/area? and if so, what are some examples of it?
That's Randianism which only really existed as an architectural design philosophy in that Howard Roark was an architect in one of her crappy books. There are plenty of egocentric assholes out there who are architects, but that's more a reflection on themselves than it is an actual frame of mind.
Critical Regionalism is one of the titles it's given, otherwise you could be thinking of regenerative designs which are essentially just LEED platinum buildings that either make a much smaller impact on or actually improve the micro ecology rather than negatively impact it. McDonough (the author of the book my sig links) has done a bunch of the latter and I can't really think of any named projects that would fall under the former to link. Just GIS it and you may come up with some buildings.
More pictures at bottom of the wiki entry
Glen Murcutt. And Frank Lloyd Wright's waterfall house, although I hate the inside of it. A lot of Japanese traditional stuff is about letting the outside in, as is a lot of Australian stuff - there's some really nice examples of Balinese architecture fused with the old-style Queenslander home around here.
It's quite simple, really.
We must fight to the death.
To the library!
But I think Moniker is the actual, you know, architect, here.
yeah, i appreciate frank lloyd wright's stuff because i think i see what he was getting at, but i also think a lot of those houses he built were butt ugly. i hate cubist blocky crap or anything that reminds me of it. i also can't stand brutalism, which doesn't make any sense to me at all, especially given all the different kinds of building materials arcitects have at their disposal.
but i kind of dig the stuff that's supposed to be influenced by nature and the traditional building styles of the area. for instance, i like the idea of going to the southwest and making some kind of new cliff dwelling, or going to africa and incorporating old clay designs into a new modern building, things like that.