TL DRNot at all confident in his reflexive opinions of thingsRegistered Userregular
Like, I don't pretend to be a tough guy or anything, but everything
everything, from laws to logic to base animal instinct, supports extreme action when faced with 'kill or be killed'. I'm just really curious how someone comes to not just predict that they might fail to act toward that end in such a situation, but to actually be a proponent of that behavior.
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HonkHonk is this poster.Registered User, __BANNED USERSregular
21stCentury I am curious as to how you feel about private gun ownership.
Well, that's a thorny subject...
Personally, i don't approve of people owning guns for the sake of personal protection because, well, i don't really see how guns "prevent" violent crime. Not in thesense that I don't believe people can shoot a home invader but more that I don't believe shooting a would-be invader prevents violence. But yeah, I wouldn't force people to change since it's a deeply personal issue of choosing non-violence.
I'll admit to something, however, i'd be nervous if a close friend would choose to carry a gun around. A gunfight can turn into a clusterfuck so quickly.
This sort of attitude is so far from my worldview, I really struggle to understand it. Would you not defend yourself if attacked?
Well, really, if someone is willing to kill me over my stuff, i'd rather not get in their way since i'm not willing to die so that my PS3 can go to my sister's boyfriend. Fact is, I'd rather die than kill another person.
Of course, it depends what you mean by "attack". If i'm mugged, i'll hand over my money. If someone wants to kill me out of anger or something, well... I don't know, i'm not willing to fight to the death, really.
if someone wants to just fight me? I don't think i ever had to fight someone in my life, don't really see how that could happen, but i guess i'd just take it.
Wow. Really?
That seems incredibly selfish.
It kind of does, yes. Really 21st you'd just stand there and let someone beat your ass, and be ok with that because you didn't add to the violence? You'd really stand aside as someone bashed in your sisters face, and not do anything?
If you came on someone in an alley getting raped, you wouldnt try to stop it yourself?
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TL DRNot at all confident in his reflexive opinions of thingsRegistered Userregular
Like, I don't pretend to be a tough guy or anything, but everything
everything, from laws to logic to base animal instinct, supports extreme action when faced with 'kill or be killed'. I'm just really curious how someone comes to not just predict that they might fail to act toward that end in such a situation, but to actually be a proponent of that behavior.
i mentioned that I would not be able to live with myself with the blood of another on my hands, right?
'Cause that'd be a pretty big deal for me. To end the life of someone. Everyone has loved ones and i kinda can't disregard that.
Ok selfish is the wrong word, but the position is smacks of privilege and yeah, totally alien.
Nah, selfish is the right word.
It's exactly what 'true' pacifism is. All societies are founded on force, and abdicating that responsibility whilst almost always a sensible idea, breaks down when you take it to extremes.
You're unduly burdening everyone else through its practice.
Like, I don't pretend to be a tough guy or anything, but everything
everything, from laws to logic to base animal instinct, supports extreme action when faced with 'kill or be killed'. I'm just really curious how someone comes to not just predict that they might fail to act toward that end in such a situation, but to actually be a proponent of that behavior.
i mentioned that I would not be able to live with myself with the blood of another on my hands, right?
'Cause that'd be a pretty big deal for me. To end the life of someone. Everyone has loved ones and i kinda can't disregard that.
you have loved ones, brainiac
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TL DRNot at all confident in his reflexive opinions of thingsRegistered Userregular
Like, I don't pretend to be a tough guy or anything, but everything
everything, from laws to logic to base animal instinct, supports extreme action when faced with 'kill or be killed'. I'm just really curious how someone comes to not just predict that they might fail to act toward that end in such a situation, but to actually be a proponent of that behavior.
i mentioned that I would not be able to live with myself with the blood of another on my hands, right?
'Cause that'd be a pretty big deal for me. To end the life of someone. Everyone has loved ones and i kinda can't disregard that.
Doesn't that mean you're placing the attacker's loved ones (which may or may not exist) over your own?
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21stCenturyCall me Pixel, or Pix for short![They/Them]Registered Userregular
21stCentury I am curious as to how you feel about private gun ownership.
Well, that's a thorny subject...
Personally, i don't approve of people owning guns for the sake of personal protection because, well, i don't really see how guns "prevent" violent crime. Not in thesense that I don't believe people can shoot a home invader but more that I don't believe shooting a would-be invader prevents violence. But yeah, I wouldn't force people to change since it's a deeply personal issue of choosing non-violence.
I'll admit to something, however, i'd be nervous if a close friend would choose to carry a gun around. A gunfight can turn into a clusterfuck so quickly.
This sort of attitude is so far from my worldview, I really struggle to understand it. Would you not defend yourself if attacked?
Well, really, if someone is willing to kill me over my stuff, i'd rather not get in their way since i'm not willing to die so that my PS3 can go to my sister's boyfriend. Fact is, I'd rather die than kill another person.
Of course, it depends what you mean by "attack". If i'm mugged, i'll hand over my money. If someone wants to kill me out of anger or something, well... I don't know, i'm not willing to fight to the death, really.
if someone wants to just fight me? I don't think i ever had to fight someone in my life, don't really see how that could happen, but i guess i'd just take it.
Wow. Really?
That seems incredibly selfish.
It kind of does, yes. Really 21st you'd just stand there and let someone beat your ass, and be ok with that because you didn't add to the violence? You'd really stand aside as someone bashed in your sisters face, and not do anything?
If you came on someone in an alley getting raped, you wouldnt try to stop it yourself?
Uh, if someone bashed in my sister's face, i mentioned i'd be willing to sacrifice myself, didn't I?
Kind of flip side of that.
My wife asked me if someone murdered her if I'd kill them two nights ago. I said yes immediately. Like its not even a question. Some crimes are so horrible and personally devastating to me that I'm OK bypassing normal ethics or social norms. Fuck that guy, fuck the law, fuck ethics if you killed my wife, or something similar, the first decision would be how, not if.
Like, I don't pretend to be a tough guy or anything, but everything
everything, from laws to logic to base animal instinct, supports extreme action when faced with 'kill or be killed'. I'm just really curious how someone comes to not just predict that they might fail to act toward that end in such a situation, but to actually be a proponent of that behavior.
i mentioned that I would not be able to live with myself with the blood of another on my hands, right?
'Cause that'd be a pretty big deal for me. To end the life of someone. Everyone has loved ones and i kinda can't disregard that.
21stCentury I am curious as to how you feel about private gun ownership.
Well, that's a thorny subject...
Personally, i don't approve of people owning guns for the sake of personal protection because, well, i don't really see how guns "prevent" violent crime. Not in thesense that I don't believe people can shoot a home invader but more that I don't believe shooting a would-be invader prevents violence. But yeah, I wouldn't force people to change since it's a deeply personal issue of choosing non-violence.
I'll admit to something, however, i'd be nervous if a close friend would choose to carry a gun around. A gunfight can turn into a clusterfuck so quickly.
This sort of attitude is so far from my worldview, I really struggle to understand it. Would you not defend yourself if attacked?
Well, really, if someone is willing to kill me over my stuff, i'd rather not get in their way since i'm not willing to die so that my PS3 can go to my sister's boyfriend. Fact is, I'd rather die than kill another person.
Of course, it depends what you mean by "attack". If i'm mugged, i'll hand over my money. If someone wants to kill me out of anger or something, well... I don't know, i'm not willing to fight to the death, really.
if someone wants to just fight me? I don't think i ever had to fight someone in my life, don't really see how that could happen, but i guess i'd just take it.
Wow. Really?
That seems incredibly selfish.
It kind of does, yes. Really 21st you'd just stand there and let someone beat your ass, and be ok with that because you didn't add to the violence? You'd really stand aside as someone bashed in your sisters face, and not do anything?
If you came on someone in an alley getting raped, you wouldnt try to stop it yourself?
Uh, if someone bashed in my sister's face, i mentioned i'd be willing to sacrifice myself, didn't I?
but fine, i'm a selfish prick.
you did say you wouldn't be able to fight - how are you unable to fight?
Just curious.
Ignore these other people, they have a tendency to get their hate on for viewpoints they disagree with.
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Like, I don't pretend to be a tough guy or anything, but everything
everything, from laws to logic to base animal instinct, supports extreme action when faced with 'kill or be killed'. I'm just really curious how someone comes to not just predict that they might fail to act toward that end in such a situation, but to actually be a proponent of that behavior.
i mentioned that I would not be able to live with myself with the blood of another on my hands, right?
'Cause that'd be a pretty big deal for me. To end the life of someone. Everyone has loved ones and i kinda can't disregard that.
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TL DRNot at all confident in his reflexive opinions of thingsRegistered Userregular
Nobody is talking about self-sacrifice. On the contrary, this seems to have become an examination of why you're so eager to sacrifice yourself at the behest of an assailant.
Like, I don't pretend to be a tough guy or anything, but everything
everything, from laws to logic to base animal instinct, supports extreme action when faced with 'kill or be killed'. I'm just really curious how someone comes to not just predict that they might fail to act toward that end in such a situation, but to actually be a proponent of that behavior.
i mentioned that I would not be able to live with myself with the blood of another on my hands, right?
'Cause that'd be a pretty big deal for me. To end the life of someone. Everyone has loved ones and i kinda can't disregard that.
21st, would it surprise you to know that I now feel the same about going somewhere with you, that you feel about going somewhere with an armed friend? It would seriously make me a bit nervous to go somewhere in public with you.
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ChanusHarbinger of the Spicy Rooster ApocalypseThe Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered Userregular
Like, I don't pretend to be a tough guy or anything, but everything
everything, from laws to logic to base animal instinct, supports extreme action when faced with 'kill or be killed'. I'm just really curious how someone comes to not just predict that they might fail to act toward that end in such a situation, but to actually be a proponent of that behavior.
i mentioned that I would not be able to live with myself with the blood of another on my hands, right?
'Cause that'd be a pretty big deal for me. To end the life of someone. Everyone has loved ones and i kinda can't disregard that.
Nobody is talking about self-sacrifice. On the contrary, this seems to have become an examination of why you're so eager to sacrifice yourself at the behest of an assailant.
Or why you're willing to put the ethical and emotional burden of stopping a murderer through violence on someone else.
Like, I don't pretend to be a tough guy or anything, but everything
everything, from laws to logic to base animal instinct, supports extreme action when faced with 'kill or be killed'. I'm just really curious how someone comes to not just predict that they might fail to act toward that end in such a situation, but to actually be a proponent of that behavior.
People can be weird. I've been in situations where I felt the most probable outcome of events was my death. In those times where only I was going to die, I've had the urge to live but by fleeing. In terms of fight or flight my reaction was flight. When others were at risk as well my reaction was fight. Long amounts of soul searching lead me to think I likely wouldn't kill to save my own life. But I would to save the life of another. I'm not a proponent of that for others, I don't expect or encourage non-violence in self defense situations with others.
We can discuss why but the simple answer is people are weird.
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SarksusATTACK AND DETHRONE GODRegistered Userregular
You guys feed on dumb arguments and hypotheticals don't you.
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am i missing fun times in here? stupid space suits costing me valuable forum drama time.
21st, would it surprise you to know that I now feel the same about going somewhere with you, that you feel about going somewhere with an armed friend? It would seriously make me a bit nervous to go somewhere in public with you.
Geez, do you live in a warzone that you'd be nervous hanging around a guy willing to give his life to let you flee a dangerous situation?
I don't think the last one is a band, I've hard of the Black Kids, but not Black People.
Scissor Sisters
Turbonegro
Well, those are both bands, and the first one at least is pretty reasonable to see on the list, although they are fantastic and put on a great live show.
Haven't really listened to much turbonegro because there's very little punk I like, but I remember seeing them on my old roommates mp3 player in his car.
There's a lot of bands there that I'm having a hard time remembering doing anything non-hetero-normative.
I mean, when I think of bands that might have some kind of gay agenda, the Spin Doctors certainly don't come to mind.
Kind of flip side of that.
My wife asked me if someone murdered her if I'd kill them two nights ago. I said yes immediately. Like its not even a question. Some crimes are so horrible and personally devastating to me that I'm OK bypassing normal ethics or social norms. Fuck that guy, fuck the law, fuck ethics if you killed my wife, or something similar, the first decision would be how, not if.
21st, would it surprise you to know that I now feel the same about going somewhere with you, that you feel about going somewhere with an armed friend? It would seriously make me a bit nervous to go somewhere in public with you.
I dunno, in my mind he's more an unarmed Secret Service agent, who's only option is to dive on every incoming bullet or knife. It's like that "I don't have to be faster than the bear, I just have to be faster than you" joke.
I didn't know anyone in Turbonegro was gay. I'm not familiar with them so it isn't that surprising, but I saw them play with Queens of the Stone Age and there was nothing in their music or performance to suggest that they weren't all straight rockers.
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everything, from laws to logic to base animal instinct, supports extreme action when faced with 'kill or be killed'. I'm just really curious how someone comes to not just predict that they might fail to act toward that end in such a situation, but to actually be a proponent of that behavior.
Chu be countin' bodies like bitches be countin' calories
Wussy.
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pffft with what
you'll throw bullets at me?
or did you sell those too
It kind of does, yes. Really 21st you'd just stand there and let someone beat your ass, and be ok with that because you didn't add to the violence? You'd really stand aside as someone bashed in your sisters face, and not do anything?
If you came on someone in an alley getting raped, you wouldnt try to stop it yourself?
Oh, snap
i mentioned that I would not be able to live with myself with the blood of another on my hands, right?
'Cause that'd be a pretty big deal for me. To end the life of someone. Everyone has loved ones and i kinda can't disregard that.
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Nah, selfish is the right word.
It's exactly what 'true' pacifism is. All societies are founded on force, and abdicating that responsibility whilst almost always a sensible idea, breaks down when you take it to extremes.
You're unduly burdening everyone else through its practice.
you have loved ones, brainiac
Doesn't that mean you're placing the attacker's loved ones (which may or may not exist) over your own?
Uh, if someone bashed in my sister's face, i mentioned i'd be willing to sacrifice myself, didn't I?
but fine, i'm a selfish prick.
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My wife asked me if someone murdered her if I'd kill them two nights ago. I said yes immediately. Like its not even a question. Some crimes are so horrible and personally devastating to me that I'm OK bypassing normal ethics or social norms. Fuck that guy, fuck the law, fuck ethics if you killed my wife, or something similar, the first decision would be how, not if.
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not a lot, to be quite honest.
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you did say you wouldn't be able to fight - how are you unable to fight?
Just curious.
Ignore these other people, they have a tendency to get their hate on for viewpoints they disagree with.
but you'd let someone get raped
what the hell?
He didn't say that.
Oscar Wilde is considered a "reformed homosexual" by these idiots?
You're right. Good job, you won the argument.
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Or why you're willing to put the ethical and emotional burden of stopping a murderer through violence on someone else.
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People can be weird. I've been in situations where I felt the most probable outcome of events was my death. In those times where only I was going to die, I've had the urge to live but by fleeing. In terms of fight or flight my reaction was flight. When others were at risk as well my reaction was fight. Long amounts of soul searching lead me to think I likely wouldn't kill to save my own life. But I would to save the life of another. I'm not a proponent of that for others, I don't expect or encourage non-violence in self defense situations with others.
We can discuss why but the simple answer is people are weird.
They're right about Coldplay, though.
I suspect all the liberal hippies in here post while high on marijuana.
Rhetorical, eh? EIGHT!
Geez, do you live in a warzone that you'd be nervous hanging around a guy willing to give his life to let you flee a dangerous situation?
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But if I'm shipwrecked, and it's me and a cow? The only question would be whether I could build a BBQ grill out of coconuts and conch shells.
Well, those are both bands, and the first one at least is pretty reasonable to see on the list, although they are fantastic and put on a great live show.
Haven't really listened to much turbonegro because there's very little punk I like, but I remember seeing them on my old roommates mp3 player in his car.
There's a lot of bands there that I'm having a hard time remembering doing anything non-hetero-normative.
I mean, when I think of bands that might have some kind of gay agenda, the Spin Doctors certainly don't come to mind.
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What would you say if I said 'yes'?
I dunno, in my mind he's more an unarmed Secret Service agent, who's only option is to dive on every incoming bullet or knife. It's like that "I don't have to be faster than the bear, I just have to be faster than you" joke.
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