But man, when you are giving GOTY, and one of the criteria is how fun it is, how do you not give it to Saint's Row the Third
Personally I had more fun with Skyrim!
Saint's Row had a fantastic campaign, even if it was super disjointed, but I had no desire to play the side shit after it was done
Skyrim maybe didn't have as much fun concentrated into a 10 hour period, but I consistently enjoyed myself for all of the 60-70 hours I played, which never happens.
See but that's the difference and the same argument they had on the podcast
Because I did have the urge to do a ton of the side shit, and replay the game, and it was really fun
Skyrim is a really really good game but it felt like the game Oblivion should have been and nothing more. And after playing it for 14 or 15 hours I kind of just got really really tired. I took a break from it for two weeks because every time I looked at it I was just like "I kind of don't want to deal with more of that, I've seen enough" and I think the difference for me is that I've seen enough in SR3 but I want to see that enough all over again because it's just really really fun
Well that is why it is a personal opinion
you like Saint's Row more, I like Skyrim more
and the GB Crew ended up deciding overall they liked Skyrim more, barring Ryan who didn't even put it on his top 10.
It would be one thing if this was all objective review shit but they preface everything about the GotY stuff by saying it is their own personal opinions on these games. Which is why getting mad at dudes for liking something more than something else is dumb.
except that Jeff and Vinny both think Saints Row the Third is better and Skyrim won a war of attrition
I'm not mad at anyone but I think it's a little weird that Ryan just kind of checked out of the discussion
Especially since SR3 was his #1 game and Skyrim wasn't even on his top 10. I think he did it just to be controversial.
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Well Ryan kind of had to. It seems that he didn't actually play Skyrim, so he couldn't argue between the two games. He could only say he liked Saint's Row a bunch.
Brad and Patrick both placed Skyrim at the top, while Jeff and Vinny placed Saint's Row. Ryan could have tipped the scales but he couldn't really argue against Skyrim since he didn't play it.
brb writing an e-mail chastising them for bowing down to the pressure and allowing a LAME DRAGON game to win game of the year over the true number one, blackwater
Especially since SR3 was his #1 game and Skyrim wasn't even on his top 10. I think he did it just to be controversial.
Yeah I don't think you give Ryan enough credit as a professional. If he didn't talk it up, it was probably for a reason. And that reason wouldn't just "oh I wanna be controversial!"
brb writing an e-mail chastising them for bowing down to the pressure and allowing a LAME DRAGON game to win game of the year over the true number one, blackwater
If committing war crimes isn't your game of the year every year I don't want to know you
Especially since SR3 was his #1 game and Skyrim wasn't even on his top 10. I think he did it just to be controversial.
Yeah I don't think you give Ryan enough credit as a professional. If he didn't talk it up, it was probably for a reason. And that reason wouldn't just "oh I wanna be controversial!"
Like I said, I think it is because he didn't play Skyrim and felt he couldn't really argue against it, from a credible standpoint.
I don't even care about SR3. I just think it's kind of busted that a game that was/is as fundamentally broken on a mechanical level as Skyrim for a good solid number of people (congratulations to those that didn't have any issues) got not only a free pass, but GOTY.
Maybe Brad's copy was magical or something, as Jeff implied. I know in my copy, every dungeon had the spinny statues with the fish, bird and snake and a shit-ton of draugr to kill and every dragon battle was the same and slogging through a repetitive dungeon to find a clever little journal entry at the end of it that comments on how the guy went insane because he was trapped in a sloggy dungeon didn't cause me to gasp in awe at how clever and unique the experience was.
But I understand how a lot of people really like that game.
Especially since SR3 was his #1 game and Skyrim wasn't even on his top 10. I think he did it just to be controversial.
Yeah I don't think you give Ryan enough credit as a professional. If he didn't talk it up, it was probably for a reason. And that reason wouldn't just "oh I wanna be controversial!"
Like I said, I think it is because he didn't play Skyrim and felt he couldn't really argue against it, from a credible standpoint.
Yes, that is totally valid, I forgot he didn't play Skyrim. He also didn't play Dead Space 2, which makes me claw at the walls a little bit.
If legitimately every single dungeon you went through had the statue puzzles then you missed 2/3 of the game. Not to mention how 1/3 of the game doesn't even take place in any sort of dungeon.
what bugged me about the dragon fights was that before launch, we kept hearing about how dynamic and unscripted the dragons were and every fight would be different etc.
then we play the game and every fight is the exact same. There was more variety between fights with bears!
"Fundamentally broken" is pretty strong wording for the issues most people seem to have with Skyrim, as far as I know anyways.
Yeah
most bugs, before that one patch, seemed to be harmless hilarious or easily fixed with a restart. I know I ran into maybe 6 things in my 70 hours, only two of which made me restart my 360
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Variety of combat has never been a Bethesda game staple. Every tier of enemy fights like all the tiers of the same kind before it. Bears fight like bears. Skeletons fight like skeletons. Liches fight like liches. Dragur have a magic and a melee subtype but those never deviate either.
But this didn't really bother me until it started to wear about 60 hours in because your combat is so varied. Things are trying to kill you the same way over and over, but you can kill them in a myriad of different fashions.
Well Ryan kind of had to. It seems that he didn't actually play Skyrim, so he couldn't argue between the two games. He could only say he liked Saint's Row a bunch.
Brad and Patrick both placed Skyrim at the top, while Jeff and Vinny placed Saint's Row. Ryan could have tipped the scales but he couldn't really argue against Skyrim since he didn't play it.
but by the same token he used his "i can't argue against skyrim because I didn't play it" and then exclusively spoke to the flaws of Saints Row 3
of which there are definitely flaws
but ultimately that's why his vote went "Skyrim" which is ridiculous
i mean I don't want poor Geebs to think I'm whining here because ultimately I don't really care what they give GOTY to
but it's silly to have it come down to two games, one that you really enjoy and one that you haven't played, and then say "well since I don't know enough about x, here's all the things wrong with y, I guess we'd better go with x" when can't speak to the strengths or weaknesses of x either
Well Ryan kind of had to. It seems that he didn't actually play Skyrim, so he couldn't argue between the two games. He could only say he liked Saint's Row a bunch.
Brad and Patrick both placed Skyrim at the top, while Jeff and Vinny placed Saint's Row. Ryan could have tipped the scales but he couldn't really argue against Skyrim since he didn't play it.
but by the same token he used his "i can't argue against skyrim because I didn't play it" and then exclusively spoke to the flaws of Saints Row 3
of which there are definitely flaws
but ultimately that's why his vote went "Skyrim" which is ridiculous
i mean I don't want poor Geebs to think I'm whining here because ultimately I don't really care what they give GOTY to
but it's silly to have it come down to two games, one that you really enjoy and one that you haven't played, and then say "well since I don't know enough about x, here's all the things wrong with y, I guess we'd better go with x" when can't speak to the strengths or weaknesses of x either
What else was he supposed to talk about? Just not say anything at all? What benefit is there of that? In detailing the negatives of SR3, at least he was reminding everyone else of its flaws.
I've more "fundamental breaks" in Saints Row The Third (on PC) then I did with Skyrim (also on PC). Saints Row as flat out locked up or crashed and objectives not work then I've had happen in Skyrim and I've played both about the same amount of time.
"Fundamentally broken" is pretty strong wording for the issues most people seem to have with Skyrim, as far as I know anyways.
Well... PS3...
but even if you say GOTY: Skyrim [Except for the PS3 version] it's still a legit GOTY.
Giant Bomb would agree with you, as that what they did.
My qualms with Skyrim are probably ultimately able to be written off as largely subjective, and I get that and don't begrudge anyone their choice of GOTY on a personal level. But I did play through on the PS3 (almost all of it, you can look at my trophies if you wish) and it was not a GOTY experience for me.
Well Ryan kind of had to. It seems that he didn't actually play Skyrim, so he couldn't argue between the two games. He could only say he liked Saint's Row a bunch.
Brad and Patrick both placed Skyrim at the top, while Jeff and Vinny placed Saint's Row. Ryan could have tipped the scales but he couldn't really argue against Skyrim since he didn't play it.
but by the same token he used his "i can't argue against skyrim because I didn't play it" and then exclusively spoke to the flaws of Saints Row 3
of which there are definitely flaws
but ultimately that's why his vote went "Skyrim" which is ridiculous
i mean I don't want poor Geebs to think I'm whining here because ultimately I don't really care what they give GOTY to
but it's silly to have it come down to two games, one that you really enjoy and one that you haven't played, and then say "well since I don't know enough about x, here's all the things wrong with y, I guess we'd better go with x" when can't speak to the strengths or weaknesses of x either
What else was he supposed to talk about? Just not say anything at all? What benefit is there of that? In detailing the negatives of SR3, at least he was reminding everyone else of its flaws.
Talk about the strengths and weaknesses of the game, sure thing
but
and this is really a matter of personal taste
when your vote is the tiebreaking vote and you have only played one of the games I'm not really sure if you should cast that vote one way or the other
because honestly at that point you just don't know
it's very difficult for me to articulate exactly what i feel is wrong with it but I just feel like it's silly to throw your vote to a game that you haven't ever touched just because the game that you gave your personal GOTY to has some flaws
it's very difficult for me to articulate exactly what i feel is wrong with it but I just feel like it's silly to throw your vote to a game that you haven't ever touched just because the game that you gave your personal GOTY to has some flaws
I haven't yet listened to the podcast and I don't disagree with your statement here, but I think it's disingenuous to say that by listing a few flaws Ryan was throwing his vote to Skyrim. Their awards aren't really voted on in any sense other than the weight of personalities being thrown at the argument. It's a big part of why the discussions are far more interesting than the awards.
it's very difficult for me to articulate exactly what i feel is wrong with it but I just feel like it's silly to throw your vote to a game that you haven't ever touched just because the game that you gave your personal GOTY to has some flaws
I haven't yet listened to the podcast and I don't disagree with your statement here, but I think it's disingenuous to say that by listing a few flaws Ryan was throwing his vote to Skyrim. Their awards aren't really voted on in any sense other than the weight of personalities being thrown at the argument. It's a big part of why the discussions are far more interesting than the awards.
he directly says "Jeff I can't walk down this road with you" when it comes down to Saints Row the Third vs Skyrim
and this is before anyone talks about anything, period.
One thing we can all agree on is how awesome Vinny's sexy metaphor for both Skyrim and SR3 was. In that you want to spend good, cozy quality time with Skyrim and then you want to fuck the shit out of SR3.
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Future GOTY awards should be replaced by marry/fuck/kill.
I think that Saint's Row was a bigger achievement than Skyrim in some ways
like they said on one of the podcasts, this is the first real GotY contender THQ and Volition have ever put out. This brings both of them into a much bigger profile than they were before.
Skyrim is fantastic but pretty much everyone knew it would be fantastic.
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Especially since SR3 was his #1 game and Skyrim wasn't even on his top 10. I think he did it just to be controversial.
Brad and Patrick both placed Skyrim at the top, while Jeff and Vinny placed Saint's Row. Ryan could have tipped the scales but he couldn't really argue against Skyrim since he didn't play it.
Yeah I don't think you give Ryan enough credit as a professional. If he didn't talk it up, it was probably for a reason. And that reason wouldn't just "oh I wanna be controversial!"
If committing war crimes isn't your game of the year every year I don't want to know you
yeah but you're the worst, farg
so really
who is going to bother
Maybe Brad's copy was magical or something, as Jeff implied. I know in my copy, every dungeon had the spinny statues with the fish, bird and snake and a shit-ton of draugr to kill and every dragon battle was the same and slogging through a repetitive dungeon to find a clever little journal entry at the end of it that comments on how the guy went insane because he was trapped in a sloggy dungeon didn't cause me to gasp in awe at how clever and unique the experience was.
But I understand how a lot of people really like that game.
Yes, that is totally valid, I forgot he didn't play Skyrim. He also didn't play Dead Space 2, which makes me claw at the walls a little bit.
yeah good point
whatever i'll be over here slobbering over dark souls
The dragon fights I'll give you though.
then we play the game and every fight is the exact same. There was more variety between fights with bears!
most bugs, before that one patch, seemed to be harmless hilarious or easily fixed with a restart. I know I ran into maybe 6 things in my 70 hours, only two of which made me restart my 360
Well... PS3...
but even if you say GOTY: Skyrim [Except for the PS3 version] it's still a legit GOTY.
Perhaps. Hitting 0 fps seems pretty fundamental to me.
But this didn't really bother me until it started to wear about 60 hours in because your combat is so varied. Things are trying to kill you the same way over and over, but you can kill them in a myriad of different fashions.
but by the same token he used his "i can't argue against skyrim because I didn't play it" and then exclusively spoke to the flaws of Saints Row 3
of which there are definitely flaws
but ultimately that's why his vote went "Skyrim" which is ridiculous
i mean I don't want poor Geebs to think I'm whining here because ultimately I don't really care what they give GOTY to
but it's silly to have it come down to two games, one that you really enjoy and one that you haven't played, and then say "well since I don't know enough about x, here's all the things wrong with y, I guess we'd better go with x" when can't speak to the strengths or weaknesses of x either
What else was he supposed to talk about? Just not say anything at all? What benefit is there of that? In detailing the negatives of SR3, at least he was reminding everyone else of its flaws.
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Giant Bomb would agree with you, as that what they did.
My qualms with Skyrim are probably ultimately able to be written off as largely subjective, and I get that and don't begrudge anyone their choice of GOTY on a personal level. But I did play through on the PS3 (almost all of it, you can look at my trophies if you wish) and it was not a GOTY experience for me.
Talk about the strengths and weaknesses of the game, sure thing
but
and this is really a matter of personal taste
when your vote is the tiebreaking vote and you have only played one of the games I'm not really sure if you should cast that vote one way or the other
because honestly at that point you just don't know
Oh, absolutely. I'm not upset at anyone over here, actually really enjoying the discussion.
it is one thing if he liked Saint's Row more and still played Skyrim
but when it comes down to two games and you haven't played one of them, you have no place voting either way.
and abstain from the overall vote
if he did vote, then yeah, that's silly to do
I haven't yet listened to the podcast and I don't disagree with your statement here, but I think it's disingenuous to say that by listing a few flaws Ryan was throwing his vote to Skyrim. Their awards aren't really voted on in any sense other than the weight of personalities being thrown at the argument. It's a big part of why the discussions are far more interesting than the awards.
yes this
he directly says "Jeff I can't walk down this road with you" when it comes down to Saints Row the Third vs Skyrim
and this is before anyone talks about anything, period.
I think Driver: San Francisco might be my game of the year. Or at least in my top 3.
Even I think that is crazy.
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like they said on one of the podcasts, this is the first real GotY contender THQ and Volition have ever put out. This brings both of them into a much bigger profile than they were before.
Skyrim is fantastic but pretty much everyone knew it would be fantastic.