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PA Tournaments!
CSL January 2012 Double Elimination
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By PAers, for PAers. Open to all leagues.
Start time: 1/29 @ 4:00 PM EST
Best-of-3 for all matches except for the winners semifinals and winner/losers final which are best of 5.
Map pool:
1) ESV Cloud Kingdom
2) Antiga Shipyard
3) Daybreak
4) Entombed Valley
5) Metropolis
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GLHF!
I want to play SC2 awesome like everyone else!
So, the SC2 thread goes a million miles per hour and will leave you in the dust if you aren't prepared. All things are open to discussion here from build orders, practice partners, race match-ups, tournament talk, and general bizarre Korean stuff. In order to keep up, I highly recommend you check out the following resources:
- General
- Team Liquid. Team Liquid is the biggest Starcraft related fan site out on the Internet today. They follow everything Starcraft related including the pro scene. Many great articles, forums, and information can be found here. A must bookmark for any Starcraft fan.
- Wellplayed.org. Starcraft 2 aggregation site from the SCReddit group.
- Talk shows
- State of the Game podcast. The pillars of the starcraft 2 community --- JP, EGIncontrol, Liquid`Tyler, and Day[9] --- talk (mostly) about current events in the starcraft community every Tuesday.
- Educational
OK that's all cool, but I want to play with some PA people.
1) Log into Battle.net and join channel PA (on the NA realm). We all hang out there. Chat, 1v1 lobbies, and team shenanigans are always going on!
2) Sign up for a replay site such as gamereplays.org or drop.sc. This is a site where you can upload your replays. The perfect way to share your replays with the thread and get advice on how to get better. Gamereplays lets you post the cool banner that you frequently see on the internets and drop.sc lets you upload replays without having to create a new account.
3) Register with the PA SC2 1v1 Ranking site. Sign up for this awesome site to see where you stand amongst fellow PA members. Remember, this is important in the nurturing and expanding of your e-peen. Add yourself by clicking on [Manage Characters] on the top right side.
4) Sign up for the PA mumble page. Sign up if you want to chat with fellow PA users during games or watching tournaments. Thanks to Exoplasm for hosting the service and providing the step-by-step process for installing mumble.
JK. I like watching Starcraft instead. Where can I watch some good games?
Major tournaments. Starcraft is e-sports. Follow these major tournaments and you will not be disappoint.
- The GSL. The premiere korean starcraft 2 league. Where the best go to play. Casted by Tastosis, the casting archon.
- The TSL. Team Liquid's major tournament where foreigners stomp koreans and everyone attributes it to lag.
- Major League Gaming. North American e-sports powerhouse now features Starcraft 2 (as long as their stream is online). "tahts halo dont worry".
- North American Star League. The upstart league headed by fan-favorites Incontrol and Gretorp. $400k up for grabs in the first season alone.
- IGN Pro League. Everyone's getting into e-sports, even IGN! 16 of the top players from North America duking it out for fabulous prizes.
And those are only the major ones! Follow the
Team Liquid Tournament Tracker for more competitive goodness.
Streams. Perhaps you prefer something more intimate. Maybe watching starcraft 2 like it's
Being John Malkovich? Thanks to the power of the Internet, there are infinity streams available for your voyeuristic pleasure. Here are our favorites.
- General commentary
- Terran
- Protoss
- Zerg
Want more streams? Check out
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Also all of a sudden i can't win long drawn out max army PvPs. I feel like I'm being way too passive and letting opponent get out way more collosi than he should be able to. Time to stop being such a baby.
so icky
so pokerstrategy.com
i can't take it
just had to promise i wouldnt troll and they let me back in *sips cristal*
anyway havent been following the pro scene much but havent seen any MLGs or Dreamhacks coming up. no new SOTG for a freakn month is esports dying??????
SotG always takes a break at the end of the year. You just missed Homestory Cup IV which was amazing.
you killed it
I'm saddened that strat has clearly worked for him in the past.
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Last week, Gabe mentioned that 90% of Weekend tickets had been sold for PAXEast
then I saw a tweet yesterday that all weekend PAXEast passes are sold out.
Single day passes still remain though!
So, if anyone's going, hit me up. A few friends and I are going, and last year's SC2 for PAXEast was frigign' awesome!
We overwhelmed the state-of-the-game room and a TON of people were turned away due to capacity.
Day9 gave literary everyone a high-5!
Don't know if the layout this year puts SC2 in a bigger room but that'd be awesome.
It felt like there were enough of us to fill up the main stage.
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I came within an inch of posting that you made me cry from my red robotic eyes, but I didn't want to spoil it for other people.
It would be really cool to put together a consistent monthly CSL. I'd be willing to help with organizing this.
Anything to keep bro-tosses from stacking all the hard-working, honest Zergs on one side of the ladder.
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(Reducing the number of zerg participants, one by one.)
although it may be too late for me T.T
monthly csls would be cool, but i probably can't take part for the next few months due to school, maybe if the days line up perfectly or something
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The only trouble I run into is mutas.
Since I can't micro to save my life and cannons around my minerals and pumping out stalkers isn't working, what can I do early game to force my opponent to not muta?
But yeah, handling mutas as protoss sucks, in general just murdering them might work if your macro is better and they are too stupid to go for a trade.
keep making muta while your opponent makes the smart transition
win
*flex*
Opinion of a low-gold level Z here, so I probably work similarly to what your ladder opponents will do:
I aim for mutas against Toss who look passive. Mutas are very expensive. The idea is that if Toss doesn't show any sign of early game threat, I can drone my natural up hard and then use the money to take map control with muta harass, build a third while denying yours, and eventually win with infinity lings/roaches/hydras. But once I've committed to this strategy, I've rolled the dice that Toss will not attack for a few minutes, and I'm just not building much of any defense.
So bottom line...attack! I've died outright a lot to Toss who push with a couple of immortals, hitting after I've invested a lot in drones but before I can have a spire. You can also even just move out, take the xel'naga towers, maybe sit outside my base briefly with even a smallish army. Toss who fight for early map control look threatening. You stop mutas by doing early game economic damage to Zerg, and you can do economic damage to Zerg just by looking scary. Any units I make to defend, I have to use larvae that I would rather have made into drones if you hadn't scared me. You slow down my economy, you slow down my mutas.
Steam: badger2d
They all share the same "tunnels" right?
Worms aren't exclusive to the network that spawns them?
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Steam: badger2d
Learn how to 7 gate properly, it will get you far vs zerg, let you work on unit control and crisp timings, and absolutely crushes any sort of greedy muta play.
Try to find a replay or something of someone doing a perfect 7 gate (white ra is a good example), and then just mirror it vs an ai or something until you have about the same number of workers and your dudes warp in at the same time.
It's becoming a pain having to remember to load queens first (due to the FIFO logic) so they can come out first and transfuse my worm, or even worse, tabbing through the worm queue to the queens to hand-select their unload first.
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After focusing on droning for a while, I got good enough at reading the game and droning at appropriate times such that I can nearly always saturate 3 bases and seriously out-eco my gold league opponents. But beyond that, I still can't macro for shit. It doesn't really make a difference that I've learned how to harvest 10,000 more resources than my opponents every game, because I'll end the game with 10,000 resources in the bank.
It's obvious that the floating problem is now what's holding me back and I've tried to focus on keeping the money down for some time, but I just don't know how apparently, I'm not getting any better at it.
This should be taken more as me scratching my head than ranting. I'm still having a lot of fun playing the game. I just have noticed I'm not improving anymore, and even though I know what my current limiting factor is, I don't know what to actually do in game to get past it.
Steam: badger2d
can you fit in a macro hatch or more upgrades? faster tech? are you missing larvae injects? there must be something keeping you from spending the money.
T and P have to drop down production buildings which is a pain to get used to but it's at least an easy place to look if you can't get your money spent. doesn't seem so simple with zerg
Why are you floating - is it because you don't have the larvae to spend all your income, or do you get to 200/200 and then wait for The Big Battle without taking any losses?
I know I'm awful and my mechanics are terrible, etc., but once I hit max food my goal becomes to spend my larvae, not my money. If I'm banking a ton of larvae and don't see a big engagement coming in the next 60 seconds, I'll throw a ton of lings at my opponent and see what I can pick off with 'em. Has my opponent taken their third? Let's send 75 speedlings off to die find out!
Watching an opponent quit without gg'ing after the third wave of 30-50 speedlings mauls his frontline/natural is pretty satisfying.
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High gold toss here. I always go for a 1 gate, 1 starport opening, get a void ray, a Phoenix and a few gateway units. Then just push out and expand at the same time. Either you win right away, or if not, zerg will go hydras 99% of the time. Mutas just don't seem that attractive with a few paper planes flying around...
I think it's mostly I don't have enough larvae? I do get to missing a lot of injects later in the game, especially once I'm trying to muta harass vs Toss, which happens almost every ZvP since they all go FFE and at my level they spend so much money on so many cannons at the front, muta harass just feels like a no-brainer response. I'm not very good at it but even so, it kills so many probes against those Toss who overdefend their front.
I actually aim to put up a macro hatch at every base to help stabilize larvae production and use up queen energy once I have a third. I don't always do it though. Just feels like there's so much going on at that point that I can't possibly remember everything. I will either get supply blocked, or not have enough larvae from missing injects and forgetting to build macro hatches, or forget to upgrade anything, or fail to scout and build lots of exactly the wrong units. I don't know how to manage all of those together.
I've had people say to me that if you can get a significant eco advantage you just focus on producing up to 200/200 of whatever as fast as you can and a-move ftw, but I've taken some embarrassing losses from trying to follow that advice. Like, I attack with 200 supply of 2/2 roaches and the guy was massing VRs.
Steam: badger2d
Ok, so you've solved the critical steps to being good at zerg, knowing how to read your opponent and when to drone. The last step is spending money, and it seems hard but its not.
Start adding macro hatches. If you think you need one more than you already get, get two more. Think big. When you start being unable to produce because you spent too much on macro hatches, THEN scale it back. Get upgrades, always and forever. There is no reason ever to not get upgrades. Add extraneous tech. Not sure if you'll need that ultralisk cavern? at 10k minerals and 10k gas, why the hell not? And lastly. PRACTICE INJECTS. Seriously its the biggest thing keeping you from being able to spend your money. When you have injects, creep, tech, upgrades and a strong economy, you should be GOLDEN.
The best thing to do is to focus on improving one thing at a time. You've got droning and expanding down, now work on not missing injects. After that, OL production. After that, creep spread. Once you have all of that down, you're Idra.