The people who were, which there were very few, are already aware of privilege. I mean shit, if you want to participate in a circle jerk and celebrate how you and all of your friends are fine people who know all about privilege go ahead. You can then be aware that you're better than other people too.
But if you actually want to help change people's perception on things, you might not want to tell someone to suck a bag of geese when they offer some critiscm.
Why is it so difficult to read a helpful primer written in a very non confrontational way, though? It's easier to carry out a conversation once you've read that because of all the concrete examples it offers. What would you say to promote discussion? What are your criticisms?
There is nothing wrong with the article. It's a good article. It's written for someone who wants to have the beliefs challenged (or confirmed). My point is that if you want to change someone, who isn't yet interested in changing their views, dropping a few pages worth of text isn't going to work. And as knob said, if you keep doing it, they'd find it annoying so why would they be open to an idea that is being obnoxious.
Like i said something bite sized, like a paragraph from people talking or something is easily accessible. They can look at it, pick up an idea and move on. They might not relate to it, but you are getting them to at least consider a new idea.
The people who were, which there were very few, are already aware of privilege. I mean shit, if you want to participate in a circle jerk and celebrate how you and all of your friends are fine people who know all about privilege go ahead. You can then be aware that you're better than other people too.
But if you actually want to help change people's perception on things, you might not want to tell someone to suck a bag of geese when they offer some critiscm.
Why is it so difficult to read a helpful primer written in a very non confrontational way, though? It's easier to carry out a conversation once you've read that because of all the concrete examples it offers. What would you say to promote discussion? What are your criticisms?
There is nothing wrong with the article. It's a good article. It's written for someone who wants to have the beliefs challenged (or confirmed). My point is that if you want to change someone, who isn't yet interested in changing their views, dropping a few pages worth of text isn't going to work. And as knob said, if you keep doing it, they'd find it annoying so why would they be open to an idea that is being obnoxious.
Like i said something bite sized, like a paragraph from people talking or something is easily accessible. They can look at it, pick up an idea and move on. They might not relate to it, but you are getting them to at least consider a new idea.
Generally speaking, the person who is saying, “I would agree with you/support you/support your cause if you were nicer about it” has no intention of ever agreeing or supporting in any way. Admittedly, getting into motive is tricky, and I hate to say, “you know it when you see it,” but this is obviously going to be subject to interpretation. However, this argument often comes down not to, “I agree with you, but I think you could have phrased it better,” but, “I would agree with you if you phrased it better.” The fallacy is not objecting to wording but putting a price on agreement or support.
I'd read that paragraph you just quoted more closely. Specifically this part:
However, this argument...comes down not to, “I agree with you, but I think you could have phrased it better,” but, “I would agree with you if you phrased it better.” The fallacy is not objecting to wording but putting a price on agreement or support.
The people who were, which there were very few, are already aware of privilege. I mean shit, if you want to participate in a circle jerk and celebrate how you and all of your friends are fine people who know all about privilege go ahead. You can then be aware that you're better than other people too.
But if you actually want to help change people's perception on things, you might not want to tell someone to suck a bag of geese when they offer some critiscm.
Why is it so difficult to read a helpful primer written in a very non confrontational way, though? It's easier to carry out a conversation once you've read that because of all the concrete examples it offers. What would you say to promote discussion? What are your criticisms?
Dude, can't you see how the wording of that article is very condescending? "Congratulations, you have privilege!" It basically drips with mockery of those who aren't educated on the subject (most people) and therefore is pretty shit when it comes to actually making people want to read it and digest it and so on. If the purpose of that primer is to explain and persuade people that they have privilege, then it sucks hard. This is already a subject that many people are uncomfortable with because nobody likes being told that they are some sort of privileged oppressor. Sneering it at them doesn't help one bit.
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Pharezon sorry but you've made too many questionable posts in a row. Nothing you can do now but create a new account, move to a new house so you have a new IP address, and start fresh
The people who were, which there were very few, are already aware of privilege. I mean shit, if you want to participate in a circle jerk and celebrate how you and all of your friends are fine people who know all about privilege go ahead. You can then be aware that you're better than other people too.
But if you actually want to help change people's perception on things, you might not want to tell someone to suck a bag of geese when they offer some critiscm.
Why is it so difficult to read a helpful primer written in a very non confrontational way, though? It's easier to carry out a conversation once you've read that because of all the concrete examples it offers. What would you say to promote discussion? What are your criticisms?
Dude, can't you see how the wording of that article is very condescending? "Congratulations, you have privilege!" It basically drips with mockery of those who aren't educated on the subject (most people) and therefore is pretty shit when it comes to actually making people want to read it and digest it and so on. If the purpose of that primer is to explain and persuade people that they have privilege, then it sucks hard. This is already a subject that many people are uncomfortable with because nobody likes being told that they are some sort of privileged oppressor. Sneering it at them doesn't help one bit.
I hate how I read the whole thread to not double post a video, then it got posted barely 1 page behind me as I was posting it! ( but I screwed up my embed anyway)
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These things are basically corrupt right wing organisations.
Oh shut up
What do you know anyway
very intimately
There is nothing wrong with the article. It's a good article. It's written for someone who wants to have the beliefs challenged (or confirmed). My point is that if you want to change someone, who isn't yet interested in changing their views, dropping a few pages worth of text isn't going to work. And as knob said, if you keep doing it, they'd find it annoying so why would they be open to an idea that is being obnoxious.
Like i said something bite sized, like a paragraph from people talking or something is easily accessible. They can look at it, pick up an idea and move on. They might not relate to it, but you are getting them to at least consider a new idea.
Satans..... hints.....
"hey, let's nut"
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the line between ironically having cyber sex and actually having cyber sex is so much thinner than you think
I have never ironically had cyber sex
Oh snap.
Thumbwrestlin'
You're doing the tone argument derail. Nice!
For reference: Tone Argument As Logical Fallacy
http://queerdictionary.tumblr.com/post/3970478063/tone-argument
I'd read that paragraph you just quoted more closely. Specifically this part:
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better
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Satans..... hints.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulIOrQasR18
Did anyone hate me?
Dude, can't you see how the wording of that article is very condescending? "Congratulations, you have privilege!" It basically drips with mockery of those who aren't educated on the subject (most people) and therefore is pretty shit when it comes to actually making people want to read it and digest it and so on. If the purpose of that primer is to explain and persuade people that they have privilege, then it sucks hard. This is already a subject that many people are uncomfortable with because nobody likes being told that they are some sort of privileged oppressor. Sneering it at them doesn't help one bit.
I hate you.
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