Having almost all the characters like that is so freaking absurd. A bunch of fucked up people with no normal people is soap operatic.
This is why I also can't get in to Mad Men. Shows that center entirely around pretty people with self induced problems, regardless of their source, annoys the shit out of me.
At least the problems arent terribly out of time or reality
Having almost all the characters like that is so freaking absurd. A bunch of fucked up people with no normal people is soap operatic.
This is why I also can't get in to Mad Men. Shows that center entirely around pretty people with self induced problems, regardless of their source, annoys the shit out of me.
At least the problems arent terribly out of time or reality
Oh I get that, but I can not for the life of me bring myself to care. Every single person has some terrible flaw and it's annoying.
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Pete campbell's flaw is being a man now.
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Having almost all the characters like that is so freaking absurd. A bunch of fucked up people with no normal people is soap operatic.
This is why I also can't get in to Mad Men. Shows that center entirely around pretty people with self induced problems, regardless of their source, annoys the shit out of me.
At least the problems arent terribly out of time or reality
Oh I get that, but I can not for the life of me bring myself to care. Every single person has some terrible flaw and it's annoying.
as opposed to... being perfect people? That would be more interesting?
Having almost all the characters like that is so freaking absurd. A bunch of fucked up people with no normal people is soap operatic.
This is why I also can't get in to Mad Men. Shows that center entirely around pretty people with self induced problems, regardless of their source, annoys the shit out of me.
At least the problems arent terribly out of time or reality
Oh I get that, but I can not for the life of me bring myself to care. Every single person has some terrible flaw and it's annoying.
as opposed to... being perfect people? That would be more interesting?
Having almost all the characters like that is so freaking absurd. A bunch of fucked up people with no normal people is soap operatic.
This is why I also can't get in to Mad Men. Shows that center entirely around pretty people with self induced problems, regardless of their source, annoys the shit out of me.
At least the problems arent terribly out of time or reality
Oh I get that, but I can not for the life of me bring myself to care. Every single person has some terrible flaw and it's annoying.
as opposed to... being perfect people? That would be more interesting?
Oh I get that, but I can not for the life of me bring myself to care. Every single person has some terrible flaw and it's annoying.
That's every show ever. Without flaws there are no conflicts. Without conflicts tv would get boring fast.
There are plenty of shows where every character isn't suffering from a long suppressed horrible flaw that coincidentally bubbling to the surface the same time as everyone else's secretly hidden flaw.
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Quid wants characters who arent as flawed, like maybe a don draper who only over drinks at yankees games, or a sterling who merely faps to his secratary in his shower.
There are plenty of shows where every character isn't suffering from a long suppressed horrible flaw that coincidentally bubbling to the surface the same time as everyone else's secretly hidden flaw.
Every character isn't a neurotic mess. Even extremely screwed up characters can still have good traits.
Oh I get that, but I can not for the life of me bring myself to care. Every single person has some terrible flaw and it's annoying.
That's every show ever. Without flaws there are no conflicts. Without conflicts tv would get boring fast.
No it's not. Tons of shows (or really, stories) use external issues to drive the narrative, while letting character traits (including flaws) play their part as well.
What Quid is talking about is the shows that just being with a setting and then the writers have to drum up drama somehow out of that setup, rather then the setup itself creating drama.
These can get a bit blurred in TV sometimes as many shows start with the setup creating drama but then that setup is resolved and the writers must continue the story so new drama is invented to keep things going.
The most extreme version of this is, of course, the soap opera.
There are plenty of shows where every character isn't suffering from a long suppressed horrible flaw that coincidentally bubbling to the surface the same time as everyone else's secretly hidden flaw.
Every character isn't a neurotic mess. Even extremely screwed up characters can still have good traits.
I never said they didn't. Plenty of the characters have good traits. And then something terrible.
I swear to God people are repeatedly reading my posts in this thread and then responding to stuff that's not there.
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I'm not sure how that applies to Mad Men. The narrative is largely character-driven but it's pretty silly to say that external issues don't influence it.
There are plenty of shows where every character isn't suffering from a long suppressed horrible flaw that coincidentally bubbling to the surface the same time as everyone else's secretly hidden flaw.
Every character isn't a neurotic mess. Even extremely screwed up characters can still have good traits.
I never said they didn't. Plenty of the characters have good traits. And then something terrible.
I swear to God people are repeatedly reading my posts in this thread and then responding to stuff that's not there.
Help us understand, mcnulty style. Or is the wire tainted too?
Help us understand, mcnulty style. Or is the wire tainted too?
While I didn't care for The Wire, it was for entirely separate reasons. Specifically just not caring about police dramas. The last thing I want to see when coming home from work is a story of people's hand's tied by red tape and the government.
I was simply annoyed by every character in Mad Men having some terrible flaw clearly leading to a horrible conflict. Main guy is cheating on his wife and dealing with shell shock. Wife was overly sheltered and beginning to realize it. Young up and comer at work has parent issues and doesn't want to accept money from his in laws. Single mother was dealing with 60s era single mother issues. Single secretary was dealing with 60s era single lady issues.
Every. Fucking. One.
I don't care for shows that do nothing but harp on the characters and their internal conflicts.
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did the series "moist afghans" or "soggy comforters" strike your fancy?
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Quid your sig is making me wish Good Eats was on netflix instant streaming.
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I still don't see what a more appealing alternative would be while still having a character-driven show. What would be an example of a well-made show, in your opinion?
Plus the "something can be described in one sentence and is therefore shallow" technique is pretty thin.
Going through How I Met Your Mother for a second time.
I'm very angry at myself for not listening to people who told me to watch this show sooner.
I am going through it for the first time. The laugh track is easily the worst part of this show and it drags the humor down by having to pace a joke in to keep the fake laughter going. I enjoy the continuity and story so far though. I just hope the series isnt robin and ted getting back together and breaking up over and over because I just got past the wedding and I am done with that.
slap bets
ruin friendships, but seem like such a good idea until someone raises their hand*.
Plus the "something can be described in one sentence and is therefore shallow" technique is pretty thin.
I was about to reply to your first sentence but then I read the next one. Do you want to have a discussion or do you want to keep making up things I've never said? All I've stated is I don't care for a certain kind of genre. I've expressed no other qualifier for it beyond me personally not liking it.
Incidentally, because Alton Brown kept the copyright for Good Eats (he produces it with his company and sells the broadcast rights to Food Network), every episode is available on Youtube. At least, every episode I've looked for. They're chunked a bit more, usually into 10-min segments, but they're there.
Help us understand, mcnulty style. Or is the wire tainted too?
I was simply annoyed by every character in Mad Men having some terrible flaw clearly leading to a horrible conflict. Main guy is cheating on his wife and dealing with shell shock. Wife was overly sheltered and beginning to realize it. Young up and comer at work has parent issues and doesn't want to accept money from his in laws. Single mother was dealing with 60s era single mother issues. Single secretary was dealing with 60s era single lady issues.
Every. Fucking. One.
I don't care for shows that do nothing but harp on the characters and their internal conflicts.
Well, that's kind of what Mad Men is, though. It's not really about politics or any kind of us-versus-them conflict everyone involved can identify with. It doesn't really have mysteries, per se. It is, mostly, historical drama, about a specific point in time and a specific kind of place in that point of time, and what different personality types with different backgrounds would do with what's thrown at them in the ethos of a cutthroat Ad Agency milieu.
I'm not telling you to like it or anything. I'm just saying, without the character conflict, there's not a lot of meat left on it for other things.
Help us understand, mcnulty style. Or is the wire tainted too?
I was simply annoyed by every character in Mad Men having some terrible flaw clearly leading to a horrible conflict. Main guy is cheating on his wife and dealing with shell shock. Wife was overly sheltered and beginning to realize it. Young up and comer at work has parent issues and doesn't want to accept money from his in laws. Single mother was dealing with 60s era single mother issues. Single secretary was dealing with 60s era single lady issues.
Every. Fucking. One.
I don't care for shows that do nothing but harp on the characters and their internal conflicts.
Well, that's kind of what Mad Men is, though. It's not really about politics or any kind of us-versus-them conflict everyone involved can identify with. It doesn't really have mysteries, per se. It is, mostly, historical drama, about a specific point in time and a specific kind of place in that point of time, and what different personality types with different backgrounds would do with what's thrown at them in the ethos of a cutthroat Ad Agency milieu.
I'm not telling you to like it or anything. I'm just saying, without the character conflict, there's not a lot of meat left on it for other things.
I am well aware of this.
Quid on
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Since this is a thread about Netflix, I figured I'd post about this in here.
I just got a letter in the mail telling me about some kind of settlement Netflix customers got from Wal Mart, concerning issues with their pricing and offering of service or something. I don't know, has anyone heard of this? Also, I guess there's some kind of class action lawsuit going on or something?
So thanks to Netflix and this thread about Netflix, Ive started rewatching How I Met Your Mother. The first six episodes are less than great, but I think the new ones are (I watched six episodes of the first season, and then there was a new episode on the DVR, nice time to compare). So far episode 7 seems good.
I also found out that the first two seasons of White Collar is available to stream, which is kind of excellent since I totally missed the second season (I think...), and the third season just started.
Since this is a thread about Netflix, I figured I'd post about this in here.
I just got a letter in the mail telling me about some kind of settlement Netflix customers got from Wal Mart, concerning issues with their pricing and offering of service or something. I don't know, has anyone heard of this? Also, I guess there's some kind of class action lawsuit going on or something?
Hmm, $1.50 you say? And all I have to do is sign away my right to sue Wal Mart? I guess it's worth it. Kinda would have liked to know about it when they were bringing the suit prior to certification - $5000 seems kinda nice.
Since this is a thread about Netflix, I figured I'd post about this in here.
I just got a letter in the mail telling me about some kind of settlement Netflix customers got from Wal Mart, concerning issues with their pricing and offering of service or something. I don't know, has anyone heard of this? Also, I guess there's some kind of class action lawsuit going on or something?
So what happens if I just do nothing? The note says that if I don't want to be a part of the lawsuit, I have to opt out of both the Netflix Litigation Class and the Wal Mart Settlement Class by sending out a letter letting them know I want to be excluded. But if I just do nothing, what happens?
Hmm, $1.50 you say? And all I have to do is sign away my right to sue Wal Mart? I guess it's worth it. Kinda would have liked to know about it when they were bringing the suit prior to certification - $5000 seems kinda nice.
I am a harsh and unforgiving man and if I don't like you after an episode or two I'm going to give up on you.
Sorry Battlestar Galactica, How I Met Your Mother, Community, Dead Wood, Mad Men, and The Walking Dead, if you guys are worth watching I guess I'll never know.
I am a harsh and unforgiving man and if I don't like you after an episode or two I'm going to give up on you.
Sorry Battlestar Galactica, How I Met Your Mother, Community, Dead Wood, Mad Men, and The Walking Dead, if you guys are worth watching I guess I'll never know.
....
....
...this makes me sad.
Except Mad Men. That one is kinda...meh.
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I am a harsh and unforgiving man and if I don't like you after an episode or two I'm going to give up on you.
Sorry Battlestar Galactica, How I Met Your Mother, Community, Dead Wood, Mad Men, and The Walking Dead, if you guys are worth watching I guess I'll never know.
....
....
...this makes me sad.
Except Mad Men. That one is kinda...meh.
That one is kinda the best show on the whole list...
I am a harsh and unforgiving man and if I don't like you after an episode or two I'm going to give up on you.
Sorry Battlestar Galactica, How I Met Your Mother, Community, Dead Wood, Mad Men, and The Walking Dead, if you guys are worth watching I guess I'll never know.
What didn't you like about Battlestar Galactica? Did you watch the mini-series or the first few episodes of season one?
I am a harsh and unforgiving man and if I don't like you after an episode or two I'm going to give up on you.
Sorry Battlestar Galactica, How I Met Your Mother, Community, Dead Wood, Mad Men, and The Walking Dead, if you guys are worth watching I guess I'll never know.
You gave up on BSG after only an episode or 2? The hell?
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It does.
Granted if you're of the democratic type it's not so much a show as it is political porn.
At least the problems arent terribly out of time or reality
Oh I get that, but I can not for the life of me bring myself to care. Every single person has some terrible flaw and it's annoying.
as opposed to... being perfect people? That would be more interesting?
it worked for always sunny in filthadelphia
As I'm capable of thinking in not extremes, no.
That's every show ever. Without flaws there are no conflicts. Without conflicts tv would get boring fast.
There are plenty of shows where every character isn't suffering from a long suppressed horrible flaw that coincidentally bubbling to the surface the same time as everyone else's secretly hidden flaw.
Every character isn't a neurotic mess. Even extremely screwed up characters can still have good traits.
No it's not. Tons of shows (or really, stories) use external issues to drive the narrative, while letting character traits (including flaws) play their part as well.
What Quid is talking about is the shows that just being with a setting and then the writers have to drum up drama somehow out of that setup, rather then the setup itself creating drama.
These can get a bit blurred in TV sometimes as many shows start with the setup creating drama but then that setup is resolved and the writers must continue the story so new drama is invented to keep things going.
The most extreme version of this is, of course, the soap opera.
I never said they didn't. Plenty of the characters have good traits. And then something terrible.
I swear to God people are repeatedly reading my posts in this thread and then responding to stuff that's not there.
Fair enough.
Help us understand, mcnulty style. Or is the wire tainted too?
While I didn't care for The Wire, it was for entirely separate reasons. Specifically just not caring about police dramas. The last thing I want to see when coming home from work is a story of people's hand's tied by red tape and the government.
I was simply annoyed by every character in Mad Men having some terrible flaw clearly leading to a horrible conflict. Main guy is cheating on his wife and dealing with shell shock. Wife was overly sheltered and beginning to realize it. Young up and comer at work has parent issues and doesn't want to accept money from his in laws. Single mother was dealing with 60s era single mother issues. Single secretary was dealing with 60s era single lady issues.
Every. Fucking. One.
I don't care for shows that do nothing but harp on the characters and their internal conflicts.
Plus the "something can be described in one sentence and is therefore shallow" technique is pretty thin.
I am going through it for the first time. The laugh track is easily the worst part of this show and it drags the humor down by having to pace a joke in to keep the fake laughter going. I enjoy the continuity and story so far though. I just hope the series isnt robin and ted getting back together and breaking up over and over because I just got past the wedding and I am done with that.
slap bets
*stops to think about it.
I was about to reply to your first sentence but then I read the next one. Do you want to have a discussion or do you want to keep making up things I've never said? All I've stated is I don't care for a certain kind of genre. I've expressed no other qualifier for it beyond me personally not liking it.
Incidentally, because Alton Brown kept the copyright for Good Eats (he produces it with his company and sells the broadcast rights to Food Network), every episode is available on Youtube. At least, every episode I've looked for. They're chunked a bit more, usually into 10-min segments, but they're there.
Well, that's kind of what Mad Men is, though. It's not really about politics or any kind of us-versus-them conflict everyone involved can identify with. It doesn't really have mysteries, per se. It is, mostly, historical drama, about a specific point in time and a specific kind of place in that point of time, and what different personality types with different backgrounds would do with what's thrown at them in the ethos of a cutthroat Ad Agency milieu.
I'm not telling you to like it or anything. I'm just saying, without the character conflict, there's not a lot of meat left on it for other things.
I am well aware of this.
I just got a letter in the mail telling me about some kind of settlement Netflix customers got from Wal Mart, concerning issues with their pricing and offering of service or something. I don't know, has anyone heard of this? Also, I guess there's some kind of class action lawsuit going on or something?
I also found out that the first two seasons of White Collar is available to stream, which is kind of excellent since I totally missed the second season (I think...), and the third season just started.
Yeah I got the same thing in the mail. It's a real thing.
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So what happens if I just do nothing? The note says that if I don't want to be a part of the lawsuit, I have to opt out of both the Netflix Litigation Class and the Wal Mart Settlement Class by sending out a letter letting them know I want to be excluded. But if I just do nothing, what happens?
WTF? This is legal? :shock:
Sorry Battlestar Galactica, How I Met Your Mother, Community, Dead Wood, Mad Men, and The Walking Dead, if you guys are worth watching I guess I'll never know.
....
....
...this makes me sad.
Except Mad Men. That one is kinda...meh.
That one is kinda the best show on the whole list...
What didn't you like about Battlestar Galactica? Did you watch the mini-series or the first few episodes of season one?
You gave up on BSG after only an episode or 2? The hell?