override, I largely agree with you. I just want to add that saturated fat and trans fat have been shown to be worse for you than polyunsaturated fat, also pretty conclusively. This is largely why the fat in, for example, fatty tuna isn't nearly as bad for you on a gram-for-gram basis than butter.
every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.
If you eat a moderate amount of sugar fat's as bad as it has ever been
Sugar at that point acts as the signal to get that whole train working, but fat can easily make up the bulk of the fuel
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If you eat a moderate amount of sugar fat's as bad as it has ever been
Sugar at that point acts as the signal to get that whole train working, but fat can easily make up the bulk of the fuel
There are quite a few people who will argue that it's actually very hard to get a moderate intake of sugar in the US, unless you are explicitly adhering to a whole foods, non-processed diet, because sugar and corn syrup are ubiquitous additives in so much pre-processed food. I find that viewpoint to be compelling.
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every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.
override, I largely agree with you. I just want to add that saturated fat and trans fat have been shown to be worse for you than polyunsaturated fat, also pretty conclusively. This is largely why the fat in, for example, fatty tuna isn't nearly as bad for you on a gram-for-gram basis than butter.
That has more to do with Omega-3/Omega-6 ratios than anything else. More specifically, it has to do with whether or not the product is the result of industrialization.
Most grain and seed based oils have incredibly high Omega-6 ratios, making them unhealthy. Trans fats are usually made from those same oils, so those are unhealthy as well. Farmed fish that are grain fed are also unhealthy. So are grain fed animals.
OTOH, wild fish and grassfed beef are good for you. Coconut oil and olive oil are pretty neutral.
The schadenfreude in this thread is ridiculous. I don't think theres any celebrity chef that advocates people making flavor (and fat) rich dishes every single night of their lives. If you're sitting at home and thinking every dinner must be a Deen dinner, then you had issues long before Stuffing On a Stick came along. Deen promotes high fat comfort food; that's her schtick - if you somehow were sitting back and thinking this was ok as a daily food regime, that's your problem.
The schadenfreude in this thread is ridiculous. I don't think theres any celebrity chef that advocates people making flavor (and fat) rich dishes every single night of their lives. If you're sitting at home and thinking every dinner must be a Deen dinner, then you had issues long before Stuffing On a Stick came along. Deen promotes high fat comfort food; that's her schtick - if you somehow were sitting back and thinking this was ok as a daily food regime, that's your problem.
Sure the tobacco industry sells an addictive and toxic product but it's your fault I you get addicted to it.
Also the tobacco industry now has an arm strictly for the manufacturing of chemo meds.
If you eat a moderate amount of sugar fat's as bad as it has ever been
Sugar at that point acts as the signal to get that whole train working, but fat can easily make up the bulk of the fuel
There are quite a few people who will argue that it's actually very hard to get a moderate intake of sugar in the US, unless you are explicitly adhering to a whole foods, non-processed diet, because sugar and corn syrup are ubiquitous additives in so much pre-processed food. I find that viewpoint to be compelling.
Having been eating low carb for 2 years (except between the months of october and december, from which I am still recovering) I know this
Did you guys know there's corn syrup in 90% or more of breads? There's corn syrup in everything inexplicably, why does beef jerky have fifteen grams of corn syrup in a bag? When I make jerky myself it tastes great and has no corn syrup in it, and only a little teeny bit of sugar (maybe 1-2 grams per piece)
I bet Paula Dean doesn't know (or care)
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The schadenfreude in this thread is ridiculous. I don't think theres any celebrity chef that advocates people making flavor (and fat) rich dishes every single night of their lives. If you're sitting at home and thinking every dinner must be a Deen dinner, then you had issues long before Stuffing On a Stick came along. Deen promotes high fat comfort food; that's her schtick - if you somehow were sitting back and thinking this was ok as a daily food regime, that's your problem.
Given that people think CSI is how real life crime investigation works, yeah, there's plenty of people who think that's a daily food diet to adhere to.
The schadenfreude in this thread is ridiculous. I don't think theres any celebrity chef that advocates people making flavor (and fat) rich dishes every single night of their lives. If you're sitting at home and thinking every dinner must be a Deen dinner, then you had issues long before Stuffing On a Stick came along. Deen promotes high fat comfort food; that's her schtick - if you somehow were sitting back and thinking this was ok as a daily food regime, that's your problem.
Given that people think CSI is how real life crime investigation works, yeah, there's plenty of people who think that's a daily food diet to adhere to.
There will always be stupid people. There are big bold warnings on cigarette packages, yet new smokers STILL pick up a pack and go to town.
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Hilarious tweetist Megan Amram found a Paula Deen Cookbook:
I think the OP's assertion that she's an "evil sadistic monster" is over the top.
I think it's fair to say that Paula Deen has made a career out of piggybacking on, and reinforcing, terrible American dietary habits and therefore she deserves many shaming fingers waggled at her.
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every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.
I think the OP's assertion that she's an "evil sadistic monster" is over the top.
I think it's fair to say that Paula Deen has made a career out of piggybacking on, and reinforcing, terrible American dietary habits and therefore she deserves many shaming fingers waggled at her.
Wait, how bad is sugar for the human body from a typical American diet?
It's not good.
How bad is a matter of contention (like most things in nutrition).
At best, added sugar is additional calories (contributing to obesity), triggers insulin resistance (contributing to diabetes), and screws with the body's ability to regulate hunger and satiety.
At worst you have relatively sane knowledgeable people calling sugar a poison.
every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.
Wait, how bad is sugar for the human body from a typical American diet?
It's not good.
How bad is a matter of contention (like most things in nutrition).
At best, added sugar is additional calories (contributing to obesity), triggers insulin resistance (contributing to diabetes), and screws with the body's ability to regulate hunger and satiety.
At worst you have relatively sane knowledgeable people calling sugar a poison.
Well the other school of nutritional thought in the 70s, the one that said we should watch out sugar intake, pretty much perfectly predicted America's obesity epidemic. I mean there is a rash of obese babies in lower and lower-middle income households where the only commonality is all the free fruit juice they can drink thanks to WIC. You can't tell me it's just because babies are lazy or something.
Basically we should probably be aiming at about where we were in the 1950s for sugar intake, which was less than half of what teenagers consume today
Edit: that guy eddie mentions has a 90 minute presentation about sugar - cliff notes: Americans eat 10% less calories from fat than they did 10 years ago, however we drink 41% more soda and 35% more fruit juice, meanwhile obesity has gone up by more than 10%. Also as far as your liver is concerned, fructose is poison, and it causes hypertension and all other manner of bad things that I don't really understand fully because It's been forever since I've taken chemistry
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Wait, how bad is sugar for the human body from a typical American diet?
It's not bad. Like all foods, nothing is had unless taken in excess. Nutritionist reccommend around (different ones say different things I've seen anywhere from 30-50%) 1/3 of your caloric intake to be carbohydrates (which sugar is part of) the issue is is that in terms of density sugar (and fats but you asked about sugar) are high in calories. it doesn't take much for it to quickly add up.
A can of coke with your meal can equate to more sugar you actually be eating for the entire meal.
Additionally sugar consumption creates insulin spikes (which are over a long period associated with diabetes) and when you come off them you get hungry quicker.
I can keep going on about how bad they are, and frankly and I'm not having a go at you but food understanding and culture in general is alarmingly not well understood, and to me, it's a bit depressing.
I'm regards to Paula, she is obviously not evil, but after preaching her "everything is in moderation" lie, and not showing anyone how to cook in moderation it's pretty ridiculous that she gets to profit over her lifestyle which has been now proven to be badly managed.
Wait, how bad is sugar for the human body from a typical American diet?
It's not bad. Like all foods, nothing is had unless taken in excess. Nutritionist reccommend around (different ones say different things I've seen anywhere from 30-50%) 1/3 of your caloric intake to be carbohydrates (which sugar is part of) the issue is is that in terms of density sugar (and fats but you asked about sugar) are high in calories. it doesn't take much for it to quickly add up.
A can of coke with your meal can equate to more sugar you actually be eating for the entire meal.
Additionally sugar consumption creates insulin spikes (which are over a long period associated with diabetes) and when you come off them you get hungry quicker.
I can keep going on about how bad they are, and frankly and I'm not having a go at you but food understanding and culture in general is alarmingly not well understood, and to me, it's a bit depressing.
I'm regards to Paula, she is obviously not evil, but after preaching her "everything is in moderation" lie, and not showing anyone how to cook in moderation it's pretty ridiculous that she gets to profit over her lifestyle which has been now proven to be badly managed.
I don't think any nutritionist would say a carb is a carb, or argue that sugar adds any value whatsoever to a diet. When they recommend carbs they're generally recommending whole grains, because you get good things like fiber with that (fiber has the added bonus of increasing satiety by taking longer to chew)
Sugar is pretty much not good for you in any quantity, however you're right that small amounts of it aren't harmful, I don't think anyone reputable would defend America's sugar consumption though
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That's not really my point. I was really pointing that out to set a base for him to understand the shear mass of sugar that people ingest.
If you have one less can of coke a day the raw conversion numbers means you lose roughly a pound a week.
Sugar is not bad for you. My point is that an excess of it is. Which is the problem.
The biggest problem is that sugar heavy food is marketed as "healthy," i.e., fruit juice and yogurt. So even if you're actively trying to stay thin, you're eating a shit ton of sugar. The other day, my friend calls me and says she started eating marshmallow flavored rice cakes, which were supposed to be healthy because they were "fat free." Yeah. Think about that.
And the market loves this, because healthy fats (butter, coconut oil, olive oil, lard) are either relatively expensive and inconvenient, or they have short shelf life. HFCS is cheap, convenient, and lasts forever. The low fat yogurt trend gave them an an excuse to offload all the leftover skim milk from making cream and butter that they used to have a lot of trouble getting rid of.
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And that comes down to he market being lazy and not reading what they are eating. Or understanding that fat free does not necessarily mean healthy.
And that comes down to he market being lazy and not reading what they are eating. Or understanding that fat free does not necessarily mean healthy.
You can't really blaming the consumer for thinking yogurt is healthy, low fat as the end all be all has been drilled nonstop into the public for three decades, most doctors believe it's the be all end all.
Also thanks to this thread I looked up the F word and thanks to things to other things I somehow ended up watching Britain's Really Disgusting Food, and now I'm more glad than ever I shell out the extra few bucks for hotdogs made entirely out of real meat instead of mechanically recovered meat
Basically, omega-3/omega-6 fatty acids needs to be in relative balance to maintain good health.
The problem with modern grain based diets is that grains have astonishingly high levels of Omega-6. And when you feed animals with grain, then those animals will have high levels of Omega-6 (although still lower than if you got your calories from grains and grain based oils directly.). The goal is to do everything you can to decrease omega-6, and everything you can to increase Omega-3. Which reminds me, I need to buy more sardines. Funny thing: Farmed fish doesn't can well, and fresh fish is usually farmed. So on average, canned fish is healthier than fresh fish.
Keep in mind that human agriculture is only about 10,000 years old, and industrial grain and seed oils have only been around recently.
You can't really blaming the consumer for thinking yogurt is healthy, low fat as the end all be all has been drilled nonstop into the public for three decades, most doctors believe it's the be all end all.
At the core is an economic problem.
If high fat/low sugar yogurt was cheaper than low fat/high sugar yogurt, then that's what the companies would be selling. They would come up with ad campaigns saying that the calorie difference was minimal, and that fat soluble vitamins were necessary to absorb calcium, and that calcium has been linked to weight loss (all true).
But since milk fat is expensive and HFCS is cheap, guess how they're marketing things?
And of course, it doesn't help when the American Diabetes Association signs sponsorships from Coca-Cola and Cadbury while telling people that people with diabetes can eat just as much sugar as people without diabetes. Which, in America, means a shit load.
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Basically, omega-3/omega-6 fatty acids needs to be in relative balance to maintain good health.
The problem with modern grain based diets is that grains have astonishingly high levels of Omega-6. And when you feed animals with grain, then those animals will have high levels of Omega-6 (although still lower than if you got your calories from grains and grain based oils directly.). The goal is to do everything you can to decrease omega-6, and everything you can to increase Omega-3. Which reminds me, I need to buy more sardines. Funny thing: Farmed fish doesn't can well, and fresh fish is usually farmed. So on average, canned fish is healthier than fresh fish.
Farmed fish cans alright, and they sell canned salmon that has been farmed, however most of the canned fish sold is tuna and sardines, and I don't know of any sardine farms, and tuna farms are relatively new and unproven, and also they farm bluefin because of the cost differential. Also as part of the canning process they cook the fish, a lot so I'm not sure about what that does to the nutritional process. So if it's a question of canned tuna vs fresh tuna, eat fresh tuna. If it's a question of canned tuna vs fresh other fish, the tuna is probably going to be better. I honestly just take a couple of omega three fish oil pills every day.
Actually you can get type II diabetes genetically. And its not always controllable. Sometimes it will completely fuck your circulation, eyesight and kidneys. Even with medication. Leaving you a blind amputee on dialysis.
This. I have a family history of diabetes cropping up in males at around the age of 30. Guess what I was diagnosed with last year, about a month before my 31st birthday?
And, for the last 2-3 weeks I've been dealing with kidney issues. Blood and all that. I think it's from small stones, as I have a family history of that, too, and it looks like I actually passed one last week. Neither my blood work or urine test were alarming to my doctor, but he wants me to see a urologist just in case. Yay.
But I do agree with your fuck Paula Deen analysis.
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the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
FN is not about Food, it's about selling corporate consumer culture. The only decent man on the entire network was Alton Brown, and he's gone.
Sugar at that point acts as the signal to get that whole train working, but fat can easily make up the bulk of the fuel
Doc: That's right, twenty five years into the future. I've always dreamed on seeing the future, looking beyond my years, seeing the progress of mankind. I'll also be able to see who wins the next twenty-five world series.
There are quite a few people who will argue that it's actually very hard to get a moderate intake of sugar in the US, unless you are explicitly adhering to a whole foods, non-processed diet, because sugar and corn syrup are ubiquitous additives in so much pre-processed food. I find that viewpoint to be compelling.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
That has more to do with Omega-3/Omega-6 ratios than anything else. More specifically, it has to do with whether or not the product is the result of industrialization.
Most grain and seed based oils have incredibly high Omega-6 ratios, making them unhealthy. Trans fats are usually made from those same oils, so those are unhealthy as well. Farmed fish that are grain fed are also unhealthy. So are grain fed animals.
OTOH, wild fish and grassfed beef are good for you. Coconut oil and olive oil are pretty neutral.
The only good food show is No Reservations.
It is known.
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It's fine in moderation!
F-Word, starring Gordon Ramsay.
I once saw a segment titled "The 10 worst supermarkets in Britain."
That would never fly on the Food Network. Ever.
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That's FOX Gordon Ramsay.
I'm talking about the British one.
Sure the tobacco industry sells an addictive and toxic product but it's your fault I you get addicted to it.
Also the tobacco industry now has an arm strictly for the manufacturing of chemo meds.
Having been eating low carb for 2 years (except between the months of october and december, from which I am still recovering) I know this
Did you guys know there's corn syrup in 90% or more of breads? There's corn syrup in everything inexplicably, why does beef jerky have fifteen grams of corn syrup in a bag? When I make jerky myself it tastes great and has no corn syrup in it, and only a little teeny bit of sugar (maybe 1-2 grams per piece)
I bet Paula Dean doesn't know (or care)
Given that people think CSI is how real life crime investigation works, yeah, there's plenty of people who think that's a daily food diet to adhere to.
There will always be stupid people. There are big bold warnings on cigarette packages, yet new smokers STILL pick up a pack and go to town.
http://meganamram.tumblr.com/post/16069488163/paula-deens-health-food-cookbook
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OMG I am cracking up.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
Paula dean lobster butter soup
Fill pitcher full of clarified butter
Poach lobster tails in butter
Strain out lobster tails and discard
Serves one
The hysteria in this thread is silly, at best.
I think the OP's assertion that she's an "evil sadistic monster" is over the top.
I think it's fair to say that Paula Deen has made a career out of piggybacking on, and reinforcing, terrible American dietary habits and therefore she deserves many shaming fingers waggled at her.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
Good Eats also gets a pass card
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Yes, this was my point.
It's not good.
How bad is a matter of contention (like most things in nutrition).
At best, added sugar is additional calories (contributing to obesity), triggers insulin resistance (contributing to diabetes), and screws with the body's ability to regulate hunger and satiety.
At worst you have relatively sane knowledgeable people calling sugar a poison.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
Well the other school of nutritional thought in the 70s, the one that said we should watch out sugar intake, pretty much perfectly predicted America's obesity epidemic. I mean there is a rash of obese babies in lower and lower-middle income households where the only commonality is all the free fruit juice they can drink thanks to WIC. You can't tell me it's just because babies are lazy or something.
Basically we should probably be aiming at about where we were in the 1950s for sugar intake, which was less than half of what teenagers consume today
Edit: that guy eddie mentions has a 90 minute presentation about sugar - cliff notes: Americans eat 10% less calories from fat than they did 10 years ago, however we drink 41% more soda and 35% more fruit juice, meanwhile obesity has gone up by more than 10%. Also as far as your liver is concerned, fructose is poison, and it causes hypertension and all other manner of bad things that I don't really understand fully because It's been forever since I've taken chemistry
It's not bad. Like all foods, nothing is had unless taken in excess. Nutritionist reccommend around (different ones say different things I've seen anywhere from 30-50%) 1/3 of your caloric intake to be carbohydrates (which sugar is part of) the issue is is that in terms of density sugar (and fats but you asked about sugar) are high in calories. it doesn't take much for it to quickly add up.
A can of coke with your meal can equate to more sugar you actually be eating for the entire meal.
Additionally sugar consumption creates insulin spikes (which are over a long period associated with diabetes) and when you come off them you get hungry quicker.
I can keep going on about how bad they are, and frankly and I'm not having a go at you but food understanding and culture in general is alarmingly not well understood, and to me, it's a bit depressing.
I'm regards to Paula, she is obviously not evil, but after preaching her "everything is in moderation" lie, and not showing anyone how to cook in moderation it's pretty ridiculous that she gets to profit over her lifestyle which has been now proven to be badly managed.
Satans..... hints.....
I don't think any nutritionist would say a carb is a carb, or argue that sugar adds any value whatsoever to a diet. When they recommend carbs they're generally recommending whole grains, because you get good things like fiber with that (fiber has the added bonus of increasing satiety by taking longer to chew)
Sugar is pretty much not good for you in any quantity, however you're right that small amounts of it aren't harmful, I don't think anyone reputable would defend America's sugar consumption though
If you have one less can of coke a day the raw conversion numbers means you lose roughly a pound a week.
Sugar is not bad for you. My point is that an excess of it is. Which is the problem.
Satans..... hints.....
And the market loves this, because healthy fats (butter, coconut oil, olive oil, lard) are either relatively expensive and inconvenient, or they have short shelf life. HFCS is cheap, convenient, and lasts forever. The low fat yogurt trend gave them an an excuse to offload all the leftover skim milk from making cream and butter that they used to have a lot of trouble getting rid of.
Satans..... hints.....
You can't really blaming the consumer for thinking yogurt is healthy, low fat as the end all be all has been drilled nonstop into the public for three decades, most doctors believe it's the be all end all.
Also thanks to this thread I looked up the F word and thanks to things to other things I somehow ended up watching Britain's Really Disgusting Food, and now I'm more glad than ever I shell out the extra few bucks for hotdogs made entirely out of real meat instead of mechanically recovered meat
Also @Schrodinger what is this business about grain fed meat being bad? Hadn't heard that before.
The problem with modern grain based diets is that grains have astonishingly high levels of Omega-6. And when you feed animals with grain, then those animals will have high levels of Omega-6 (although still lower than if you got your calories from grains and grain based oils directly.). The goal is to do everything you can to decrease omega-6, and everything you can to increase Omega-3. Which reminds me, I need to buy more sardines. Funny thing: Farmed fish doesn't can well, and fresh fish is usually farmed. So on average, canned fish is healthier than fresh fish.
Keep in mind that human agriculture is only about 10,000 years old, and industrial grain and seed oils have only been around recently.
At the core is an economic problem.
If high fat/low sugar yogurt was cheaper than low fat/high sugar yogurt, then that's what the companies would be selling. They would come up with ad campaigns saying that the calorie difference was minimal, and that fat soluble vitamins were necessary to absorb calcium, and that calcium has been linked to weight loss (all true).
But since milk fat is expensive and HFCS is cheap, guess how they're marketing things?
And of course, it doesn't help when the American Diabetes Association signs sponsorships from Coca-Cola and Cadbury while telling people that people with diabetes can eat just as much sugar as people without diabetes. Which, in America, means a shit load.
This. I have a family history of diabetes cropping up in males at around the age of 30. Guess what I was diagnosed with last year, about a month before my 31st birthday?
And, for the last 2-3 weeks I've been dealing with kidney issues. Blood and all that. I think it's from small stones, as I have a family history of that, too, and it looks like I actually passed one last week. Neither my blood work or urine test were alarming to my doctor, but he wants me to see a urologist just in case. Yay.
Also this.