didn't obama fuck everyone over by not getting the dems to just pass bills in the first place -- before ted kennedy died and they lost the supermajority?
he was trying to be the great uniter, a lot of what he was trying to do was bi-partisan.
I kinda hope Gingrich wins the primary, just so Obama could crush him.
I know if someone ran a multiyear smear campaign on my parents, my citizenship, and my heritage- I'd want the chance to publicly destroy the fucker.
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Tossrocktoo weird to livetoo rare to dieRegistered Userregular
Obama allowed the FISA amendment to pass (and thus retroactive telecom immunity because fuck the rule of law), allowed NDAA indefinite detention to pass, explicitly authorized extrajudicial killing of American citizens, expanded the use of sneak and peak warrants, expanded the use of National Security letters, kept open the embarrassment that is Guantanamo, and let the major financial institutions responsible for the great recession off the hook
but that's all the opposition's fault and anyone who thinks that he's done anything but good is clearly unintelligent
The federal government is defending itself after more information has come to light about its directions to Canada's spy agency to use information that may have been extracted through torture in cases where public safety is at stake.
it's because the US is a bad influence
you see that big ol' tough on crime bill on its way through the senate? canadian politics is basically the "me too" little brother to american politics, even though we're a few years behind and don't take the opportunity to learn from the US's mistakes
Dichotomy on
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Would you like to see Romney, Gingrich, or Santorum in the White House come 2012, Tossrock
how is that at all relevant to anything I said?
It's not I'm just curious!
Well, no. No I would not. That doesn't change the fact that there are a lot of things about Obama that it is perfectly reasonable to dislike, and Sweeney asserting that "any intelligent voter can see that Obama did a lot of great and any bad that he did was not his fault, but the fault of the opposition" is ridiculous.
Tossrock on
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Quoththe RavenMiami, FL FOR REALRegistered Userregular
People concerned with immigration reform and environmental protection have also been generally dissatisfied
explicitly authorized extrajudicial killing of American citizen.
one person.
overwhelming evidence proved that he was in league with the terrorists and he was living in yemen. i'm not saying it wasn't wrong for him to be killed for it without a trial but saying obama's not really an evil person for that.
Obama allowed the FISA amendment to pass (and thus retroactive telecom immunity because fuck the rule of law), allowed NDAA indefinite detention to pass, explicitly authorized extrajudicial killing of American citizens, expanded the use of sneak and peak warrants, expanded the use of National Security letters, kept open the embarrassment that is Guantanamo, and let the major financial institutions responsible for the great recession off the hook
but that's all the opposition's fault and anyone who thinks that he's done anything but good is clearly unintelligent
Remember back when Obama was cool. Hip. Dare I say...different.
Would you like to see Romney, Gingrich, or Santorum in the White House come 2012, Tossrock
how is that at all relevant to anything I said?
It's not I'm just curious!
Well, no. No I would not. That doesn't change the fact that there are a lot of things about Obama that it is perfectly reasonable to dislike, and Sweeney asserting that "any intelligent voter can see that Obama did a lot of great and any bad that he did was not his fault, but the fault of the opposition" is ridiculous.
Alright, I will admit I should not have said "any bad", that was a wrong phrase to use for what I was trying to say. I should have said some or half, not any
Quoththe RavenMiami, FL FOR REALRegistered Userregular
Guys, we are not arguing whether he is good or bad, but whether enough people have negative perceptions of his action or inaction to vote for the other guy or stay home
politics are hopelessly flawed and corrupt and the only way to avert the incoming new dark age is the immediate installation of a hegemonic benevolent dictator
Well, no. No I would not. That doesn't change the fact that there are a lot of things about Obama that it is perfectly reasonable to dislike, and Sweeney asserting that "any intelligent voter can see that Obama did a lot of great and any bad that he did was not his fault, but the fault of the opposition" is ridiculous.
i wasn't saying that, i was really implying economics wise most of the issues are the fault of not just obama.
i thought sweeney's comment was supposed to be ironic.
Well, no. No I would not. That doesn't change the fact that there are a lot of things about Obama that it is perfectly reasonable to dislike, and Sweeney asserting that "any intelligent voter can see that Obama did a lot of great and any bad that he did was not his fault, but the fault of the opposition" is ridiculous.
i wasn't saying that, i was really implying economics wise most of the issues are the fault of not just obama.
i thought sweeney's comment was supposed to be ironic.
The "intelligent voter" part was
Once again, badly worded, and I'm extremely sorry.
explicitly authorized extrajudicial killing of American citizen.
one person.
overwhelming evidence proved that he was in league with the terrorists and he was living in yemen. i'm not saying it wasn't wrong for him to be killed for it without a trial but saying obama's not really an evil person for that.
I guess his 16 year old son doesn't count as a person? If you don't think allowing the President to assassinate American citizens is wrong because in this instance you're convinced it was a bad person, well, I guess we have some pretty fundamental disagreements.
Here's a fun exercise: read this interview from 2001 with Anwar Al-Awlaki and try to reconcile it with the portrait painted in the media. Enjoy your cognitive dissonance!
explicitly authorized extrajudicial killing of American citizen.
one person.
overwhelming evidence proved that he was in league with the terrorists and he was living in yemen. i'm not saying it wasn't wrong for him to be killed for it without a trial but saying obama's not really an evil person for that.
I guess his 16 year old son doesn't count as a person? If you don't think allowing the President to assassinate American citizens is wrong because in this instance you're convinced it was a bad person, well, I guess we have some pretty fundamental disagreements.
Here's a fun exercise: read this interview from 2001 with Anwar Al-Awlaki and try to reconcile it with the portrait painted in the media. Enjoy your cognitive dissonance!
This was my favorite part of that interview
Alexandria, Va.: I saw your video on the Washington Post website this morning. Perhaps I am too biased as an American, but just what other avenues should or could the US have tried as opposed to as you put it - 'rushing into this war'?
Also, like we say 'Merry Christmas', is there any special greeting Muslims use during Ramadan?
Imam Anwar Al-Awlaki: The Taliban repeatedly said: show us the evidence and we will turn over whoever is guilty with the crime. The US should have given them the benefit of the doubt. Also our government could have dealt with the terrorist attacks as a crime against America rather than a war against America. So the guilty would be tried and only them would be punished rather than bombing an already destroyed country. I do not restrict myself to US media. I check out Aljazeerah and European media such as the BBC. I am seeing something that you are not seeing because of the one-sidedness of the US media. I see the carnage of Afghanistan. I see the innocent civilian deaths. That is why my opinion is different.
Keep in mind that I have no sympathy for whoever committed the crimes of Sep 11th. But that doesn't mean that I would approve the killing of my Muslim brothers and sisters in Afghanistan. Even though this is a dissenting view nowadays but as an American I do have the right to have a contrary opinion.
You can congratulate your Muslim friends with "Ramadan Mubarak"
From talking about a serious subject like how he felt about his people being brutally murdered after a tragedy that some other followers of his religion of choice caused, to talking about how to say Merry Ramadan in the span of a sentence.
Tossrocktoo weird to livetoo rare to dieRegistered Userregular
Here are some good excerpts:
Tucson, Ariz.: First, I hope your holiday is a happy one for you and your family. With so much focus on Islam right now what should the non-Islamic world learn as a important lesson from the religion? Are there inter-faith outreach programs sponsored by Islamic mosques?
Imam Anwar Al-Awlaki: Thank you very much. There are inter-faith services held in our mosque and around the greater DC area and in all over the country. The best thing our non-Muslim friends could do is to do some reading of the Quran. The Quran is the center of the religion and by reading it one would be able to get the best explanation of what Islam is about. We definitely need more mutual understanding.
Adelphi, Md.: I just love Muslim people, and I also have lots of friends who are Muslims in the school. They all are so respectful, intelligent and honorful. But, I have one question that in the religion of Islam is it OK killing people and force women to wear burqas like what Taliban used to do in the Afghanistan? Also, is it bad for women to get education? And if so, why not for men?
Thanks a lot for teaching me about the Islam. - Lisa H.
Imam Anwar Al-Awlaki: The imposing of the Burqa on women by a government never happened in the 1400 year history of the Muslim world. the Taliban have no precedence in this. The Prophet along with his companions who ruled over the Muslims after him never did that.
According to Prophet Muhammad: Education is mandatory on every Muslim male and female" That is the teaching of Islam and if anyone does otherwise they have disobeyed the Prophet of Islam himself. About killing, the greatest sin in Islam after associating other gods besides Allah is killing an innocent soul.
Thanks a lot.
Alexandria, Va.: I saw your video on the Washington Post website this morning. Perhaps I am too biased as an American, but just what other avenues should or could the US have tried as opposed to as you put it - 'rushing into this war'?
Also, like we say 'Merry Christmas', is there any special greeting Muslims use during Ramadan?
Imam Anwar Al-Awlaki: The Taliban repeatedly said: show us the evidence and we will turn over whoever is guilty with the crime. The US should have given them the benefit of the doubt. Also our government could have dealt with the terrorist attacks as a crime against America rather than a war against America. So the guilty would be tried and only them would be punished rather than bombing an already destroyed country. I do not restrict myself to US media. I check out Aljazeerah and European media such as the BBC. I am seeing something that you are not seeing because of the one-sidedness of the US media. I see the carnage of Afghanistan. I see the innocent civilian deaths. That is why my opinion is different.
Keep in mind that I have no sympathy for whoever committed the crimes of Sep 11th. But that doesn't mean that I would approve the killing of my Muslim brothers and sisters in Afghanistan. Even though this is a dissenting view nowadays but as an American I do have the right to have a contrary opinion.
You can congratulate your Muslim friends with "Ramadan Mubarak"
I was judging Awlaki by the overwhelming amount of evidence supporting the belief that he was supporting a terrorist, and i forgot about his son being killed and i apologize for that, it was wrong to not capture him, but unless there's more authorizations of killing of american citizens, it's not gonna be a huge factor in my decision to vote for obama.
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ButtlordFornicusLord of Bondage and PainRegistered Userregular
Obama allowed the FISA amendment to pass (and thus retroactive telecom immunity because fuck the rule of law), allowed NDAA indefinite detention to pass, explicitly authorized extrajudicial killing of American citizens, expanded the use of sneak and peak warrants, expanded the use of National Security letters, kept open the embarrassment that is Guantanamo, and let the major financial institutions responsible for the great recession off the hook
but that's all the opposition's fault and anyone who thinks that he's done anything but good is clearly unintelligent
TO BE FAIR
NDAA had enough support that it wouldn't have mattered what he did
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ButtlordFornicusLord of Bondage and PainRegistered Userregular
explicitly authorized extrajudicial killing of American citizen.
one person.
overwhelming evidence proved that he was in league with the terrorists and he was living in yemen. i'm not saying it wasn't wrong for him to be killed for it without a trial but saying obama's not really an evil person for that.
Psst that is still fucking insane
We should not be able to kill people based on secret evidence without any kind of trial or anything
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he was trying to be the great uniter, a lot of what he was trying to do was bi-partisan.
I know if someone ran a multiyear smear campaign on my parents, my citizenship, and my heritage- I'd want the chance to publicly destroy the fucker.
but that's all the opposition's fault and anyone who thinks that he's done anything but good is clearly unintelligent
I mean
Yeah, I was under the impression his veto would not have been diddly, but a sign he didn't like it.
how is that at all relevant to anything I said?
it's because the US is a bad influence
you see that big ol' tough on crime bill on its way through the senate? canadian politics is basically the "me too" little brother to american politics, even though we're a few years behind and don't take the opportunity to learn from the US's mistakes
It's not I'm just curious!
Pretty much
Steam
Pretty much
Steam
idk about those other things though
Well, no. No I would not. That doesn't change the fact that there are a lot of things about Obama that it is perfectly reasonable to dislike, and Sweeney asserting that "any intelligent voter can see that Obama did a lot of great and any bad that he did was not his fault, but the fault of the opposition" is ridiculous.
one person.
overwhelming evidence proved that he was in league with the terrorists and he was living in yemen. i'm not saying it wasn't wrong for him to be killed for it without a trial but saying obama's not really an evil person for that.
Remember back when Obama was cool. Hip. Dare I say...different.
Those were the days.
Alright, I will admit I should not have said "any bad", that was a wrong phrase to use for what I was trying to say. I should have said some or half, not any
I deserve that, and I am sorry.
Steam
story of my life
literally
I don't think any of them do
edit: Ron Paul probably does, in his crazy way
i wasn't saying that, i was really implying economics wise most of the issues are the fault of not just obama.
i thought sweeney's comment was supposed to be ironic.
The NDAA and Gitmo for example
Steam
The "intelligent voter" part was
Once again, badly worded, and I'm extremely sorry.
Steam
I guess his 16 year old son doesn't count as a person? If you don't think allowing the President to assassinate American citizens is wrong because in this instance you're convinced it was a bad person, well, I guess we have some pretty fundamental disagreements.
Here's a fun exercise: read this interview from 2001 with Anwar Al-Awlaki and try to reconcile it with the portrait painted in the media. Enjoy your cognitive dissonance!
Sweet. Don't show up to the polls then. It's in the bag.
This was my favorite part of that interview
From talking about a serious subject like how he felt about his people being brutally murdered after a tragedy that some other followers of his religion of choice caused, to talking about how to say Merry Ramadan in the span of a sentence.
Steam
yes because that's exactly what i was implying.
what i was saying was that, in my opinion from looking at the current GOP race, an obama victory was pretty likely to happen.
nice try at strawman though.
TO BE FAIR
NDAA had enough support that it wouldn't have mattered what he did
Psst that is still fucking insane
We should not be able to kill people based on secret evidence without any kind of trial or anything
For having a morning-after pill vending machine.
Sigh.
Steam