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Out with Kony 2012, in with indecent exposure

YaYaYaYa Decent.Registered User regular
edited March 2012 in Social Entropy++
so this video's been getting pretty big, you guys should watch it, it's about this guy Joseph Kony in Africa who is generally a monster who enslaves kids and makes them kill their own parents and dudes are trying to spread awareness to get him arrested

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4MnpzG5Sqc

just feel like we have a great diverse community here and posting it will be a good way to spread the word

have a watch, if you've seen it talk about it, talk about the campaign, talk about how other causes could do something similar

otherwise head to www.kony2012.com to do more

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  • existexist Registered User regular
    thanks yaya, i will be sure to like, comment, and subscribe

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  • Mr FuzzbuttMr Fuzzbutt Registered User regular
    Wow, it is getting pretty big!

    Big enough that you should probably include a description of what it is so people will actually know what it is and watch it.

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  • YaYaYaYa Decent. Registered User regular
    Wow, it is getting pretty big!

    Big enough that you should probably include a description of what it is so people will actually know what it is and watch it.

    done and done

    exist I cannot tell if you're being sarcastic

  • #pipe#pipe Cocky Stride, Musky odours Pope of Chili TownRegistered User regular
    Ok before everyone turns into assholes in this thread,

    yes, the organization that is running this campaign has its problems and they're not the shining white nights they're presenting themselves as, yes they may have made some missteps in the past

    but awareness of the problem is only going to help. I didn't know anything about the LRA before watching the video and reading further and hopefully everyone can agree that Kony and the LRA is reprehensible.

    Try not to get on your high horse and appear cool by poo-pooing an effort to save the lives of thousands of children.

  • Dox the PIDox the PI Registered User regular
    They're doing the protest thing on 4/20?

  • YaYaYaYa Decent. Registered User regular
    well Anti that post is from 2006 and the organization is still doing its thing 6 years later

    soooooooooooooooo maybe the guy isn't as much of a non-threat as that blogger thinks?

  • existexist Registered User regular
    Dox the PI wrote: »
    They're doing the protest thing on 4/20?

    no no, that is the campaign for coney island hot dog awareness

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  • AntimatterAntimatter Devo Was Right Gates of SteelRegistered User regular
    and maybe i figured multiple viewpoints on the issue could be appreciated instead of turning into an echo chamber? i'd prefer discourse. if it does turn into a hate-on for the people responsible for the video, like pipe was worrying about, that'd be just as bad.

  • YaYaYaYa Decent. Registered User regular
    Antimatter wrote:
    and maybe i figured multiple viewpoints on the issue could be appreciated instead of turning into an echo chamber? i'd prefer discourse. if it does turn into a hate-on for the people responsible for the video, like pipe was worrying about, that'd be just as bad.

    fair point!

  • animal companionanimal companion xenomortis Registered User regular
    exist wrote: »
    thanks yaya, i will be sure to like, comment, and subscribe

    this is a pretty bad place to do some threadshitting

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  • Mr FuzzbuttMr Fuzzbutt Registered User regular
    exist wrote: »
    thanks yaya, i will be sure to like, comment, and subscribe

    this is a pretty bad place to do some threadshitting

    To be fair, when he posted that the OP was basically just a contextless YouTube video that apparently we should watch.

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  • KlendyKlendy Goomy GoomyGoomyRegistered User regular
    edited March 2012
    "American Advisers" is a pretty sneaky way of saying "Tactical Forces".

    The idea is neat, but Government action, and therefore Military Action, I feel, isn't exactly the best foot to put forward in this situation. You're merely fighting fire with fire, instead of just stopping one war criminal, you're enabling another: The United States Military.

    The idea is novel and refreshing, yes. I just wish there was an easier, Peace-Corpsy way to do it.

    I'm all for schools, education, infrastructure and what not, I just feel that the government's knee jerk reaction to us being up in arms is to just assassinate the guy.

    In the long run, who loses? We do. We're enabling our own war crimes, while nay saying others. American foreign policy is a turd, and you can only polish a turd so much.

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  • #pipe#pipe Cocky Stride, Musky odours Pope of Chili TownRegistered User regular
    they're not calling for his assassination, though

    they're calling for arrest

    his arrest as a war criminal, which, you know, he is.

  • YaYaYaYa Decent. Registered User regular
    Klendy wrote:
    "American Advisers" is a pretty sneaky way of saying "Tactical Forces".

    The idea is neat, but Government action, and therefore Military Action, I feel, isn't exactly the best foot to put forward in this situation. You're merely fighting fire with fire, instead of just stopping one war criminal, you're enabling another: The United States Military.

    The idea is novel and refreshing, yes. I just wish there was an easier, Peace-Corpsy way to do it.

    I'm all for schools, education, infrastructure and what not, I just feel that the government's knee jerk reaction to us being up in arms is to just assassinate the guy.

    In the long run, who loses? We do. We're enabling our own war crimes, while nay saying others. American foreign policy is a turd, and you can only polish a turd so much.

    well, they're putting forward a comparatively small goal for people to focus on, rather than just saying 'make Africa better'

    I understand the reluctance for military action to be taken, but it does seem like the goal is to capture rather than kill the guy, and the Hague seems to have taken an interest rather than just the US military

    also calling the entire military a war criminal might be overblowing it a bit?

  • Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Registered User regular
    edited March 2012
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  • ButtlordButtlord Fornicus Lord of Bondage and PainRegistered User regular
    All depends on if you believe every member is culpable because they volunteered to join and are a willing cog in the infernal death machine. I don't, but I know people who do.

    Infernal Death Machine is my new grindcore/jazz band by the way.

  • KlendyKlendy Goomy GoomyGoomyRegistered User regular
    After arrest there are two options: he gets out with appeals and/or bribery in African courts, presuming there are any that will take the case, or Two: capital punishment.

    The latter is just a classy assassination.

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  • PwnanObrienPwnanObrien He's right, life sucks. Registered User regular
    edited March 2012
    Klendy wrote: »
    After arrest there are two options: he gets out with appeals and/or bribery in African courts, presuming there are any that will take the case, or Two: capital punishment.

    The latter is just a classy assassination.

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    Hang the bastard.
    Actually, no, strip him nude and throw him into a sound proof padded room forever. The death penalty really doesn't do anything ever especially in situations like this where the crimes are so specifically heinous. Let his imprisonment be as long and cruel as possible.

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  • KlendyKlendy Goomy GoomyGoomyRegistered User regular
    God, I wish I lived during the French Revolution, when killing Monarchs, Politicians, Radicals and Political Enemies was all for sport and entertainment.

    Being a filthy member of the proletariat would have been AWESOME.

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  • warbanwarban Who the Hoof do you think we are? Registered User regular
    edited March 2012
    #pipe wrote: »
    Ok before everyone turns into assholes in this thread,

    yes, the organization that is running this campaign has its problems and they're not the shining white nights they're presenting themselves as, yes they may have made some missteps in the past

    but awareness of the problem is only going to help. I didn't know anything about the LRA before watching the video and reading further and hopefully everyone can agree that Kony and the LRA is reprehensible.

    Try not to get on your high horse and appear cool by poo-pooing an effort to save the lives of thousands of children.

    If people are wondering what the "poo-pooping"? is there is a write-up on Reddit.

    http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/qlejg/kony_2012_is_a_campaign_that_aims_to_make_joseph/c3yi7d1

    Problems need awareness to be solved by the people who have the resources to do so. But the people managing those resources need to be able to hold themselves to be accountable to how they manage those resources otherwise they lose public trust.

    Personally though I don't trust any of these overseas charity drives until I see america fix this:
    These places exist IN AMERICA, they're completely legal, and they're only growing. It's the new solution for parents who have kids that don't conform blindly to their religious and political views, let me explain:
    http://www.reddit.com/r/atheism/comments/q6is0/in_september_2009_after_admitting_to_my_parents/

    There are some real similarities to both these sorts of child abuse. Granted I don't think these kids in america are getting butchered or killed or forced to carry guns. But the psychological abuse towards gays and atheists because they are not the status quo is wrong. Just by changing the laws in american the above racket could be shut down. No army. No bloodshed. Just change the Law.

    The problem with injustice in the world is that people don't want to think about the problem closer to home. It's easy to paint a picture of a bad guy a long way away and drum up support to fix it. It's much harder to build support for problem which are more complicated and closer to home. This isn't the fault of the film makers. But in 2010 onwards there seems to be a common theme of solving problems far away with money instead of finding solutions to the same sorts of problems back at home. And that's a little worrying.

    Edit: On a side note: http://visiblechildren.tumblr.com/ Has been blocked on facebook. Another site of from someone concerned about this whole thing.
    Military intervention may or may not be the right idea, but people supporting KONY 2012 probably don’t realize they’re supporting the Ugandan military who are themselves raping and looting away. If people know this and still support Invisible Children because they feel it’s the best solution based on their knowledge and research, I have no issue with that. But I don’t think most people are in that position, and that’s a problem.

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  • PwnanObrienPwnanObrien He's right, life sucks. Registered User regular
    edited March 2012
    Let's not forget last May:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGdu6XEiZmc

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  • George Fornby GrillGeorge Fornby Grill ...Like Clockwork Registered User regular
    Just because I was super proud of this like-machine I came up with:

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    people all "Joseph Kony 2012" and I am like "man sure I guess we could elect someone objectively worse than Ron Paul, yeah."

  • PwnanObrienPwnanObrien He's right, life sucks. Registered User regular
    Just because I was super proud of this like-machine I came up with:

    Chris Crawford
    people all "Joseph Kony 2012" and I am like "man sure I guess we could elect someone objectively worse than Ron Paul, yeah."

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  • BeastehBeasteh THAT WOULD NOT KILL DRACULARegistered User regular
    edited March 2012
    http://visiblechildren.tumblr.com/ blocked on facebook? oh well just replaced the . with dot

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  • King RiptorKing Riptor Registered User regular
    Klendy wrote: »
    "American Advisers" is a pretty sneaky way of saying "Tactical Forces".

    The idea is neat, but Government action, and therefore Military Action, I feel, isn't exactly the best foot to put forward in this situation. You're merely fighting fire with fire, instead of just stopping one war criminal, you're enabling another: The United States Military.

    The idea is novel and refreshing, yes. I just wish there was an easier, Peace-Corpsy way to do it.

    I'm all for schools, education, infrastructure and what not, I just feel that the government's knee jerk reaction to us being up in arms is to just assassinate the guy.

    In the long run, who loses? We do. We're enabling our own war crimes, while nay saying others. American foreign policy is a turd, and you can only polish a turd so much.

    Seriously?

    Man not every armed response is a war crime. I'm sure your college Lit professor told you otherwise but it's just not true.

    Dude should be arrested as assassination has not worked well ever historically but assuming going that route is a war crime is absurd.

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  • Spectre-xSpectre-x Rating: AWESOME YESRegistered User regular
    Klendy wrote: »
    After arrest there are two options: he gets out with appeals and/or bribery in African courts, presuming there are any that will take the case, or Two: capital punishment.

    The latter is just a classy assassination.

    Uhm, after arrest he'll be tried by the International Court of Justice in the Hague. Good luck buying them off.

  • TrippyJingTrippyJing Moses supposes his toeses are roses. But Moses supposes erroneously.Registered User regular
    Huh...the terrorist who gave his money to Le Chiffre in Casino Royal was a member of the LRA.

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  • JunpeiJunpei Registered User regular
    Spectre-x wrote: »
    Klendy wrote: »
    After arrest there are two options: he gets out with appeals and/or bribery in African courts, presuming there are any that will take the case, or Two: capital punishment.

    The latter is just a classy assassination.

    Uhm, after arrest he'll be tried by the International Court of Justice in the Hague. Good luck buying them off.

    I don't see how, ICJ is for state vs state cases.

    As much as I applaud the initiative here, having lived on the continent for most of my life I wonder what will happen after, because if history is anything to go by it just paves the way for someone else to come in and fill the spot committing the same atrocities or worse, being 'elected' to run the country in which these things happen. Does anyone expect the US and Europe to police this indefinitely?

  • BroloBrolo Broseidon Lord of the BroceanRegistered User regular
    edited March 2012
  • KarlKarl Registered User regular
    Right, how crazy is it to actually send in a team to extract him so he can be tried at the Hague?

    I'm talking some UN sanctioned Tom Clancy wet dream Rainbow 6 rip off. I mean Jesus, there isn't any moral "greyness" here. He is a terrible person that should be tried in a court for his crimes against humanity.

  • LockoutLockout I am still searching Registered User regular
    warban wrote: »
    Personally though I don't trust any of these overseas charity drives until I see america fix this:
    These places exist IN AMERICA, they're completely legal, and they're only growing. It's the new solution for parents who have kids that don't conform blindly to their religious and political views, let me explain:
    http://www.reddit.com/r/atheism/comments/q6is0/in_september_2009_after_admitting_to_my_parents/

    There are some real similarities to both these sorts of child abuse. Granted I don't think these kids in america are getting butchered or killed or forced to carry guns. But the psychological abuse towards gays and atheists because they are not the status quo is wrong. Just by changing the laws in american the above racket could be shut down. No army. No bloodshed. Just change the Law.

    WWASPs are fucking horrible and Robert Lichfield deserves a savage beating, but they are being shut down. The way the organization is designed makes it difficult to kill, but there's definitely progress being made

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  • Crimson KingCrimson King Registered User regular
    so, to clarify, when we say 'call for his arrest', we are suggesting that the american military should go to uganda and arrest this man?

    it seems like the implication there is that's something america can just snap its fingers and get done at no cost to anybody

  • SticksSticks I'd rather be in bed.Registered User regular
    edited March 2012
    According to wikipedia, it is out of business but not fully dissolved because of ongoing litigation. The academies that are still operating no longer maintain ties to it.

    It makes me angry that parents don't follow up on this shit better before sending their children there. Especially places OUTSIDE THE FUCKING COUNTRY like Tranquility Bay.

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  • Indie WinterIndie Winter die Krähe Rudi Hurzlmeier (German, b. 1952)Registered User regular
    2 questions:

    1) why should the world care

    2) what should the world do

    the world, mind, not America. The world's policeman isn't, and strike team justice can't and shouldn't be dispensed

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  • satansfingerssatansfingers Registered User regular
    Spectre-x wrote:
    Klendy wrote: »
    After arrest there are two options: he gets out with appeals and/or bribery in African courts, presuming there are any that will take the case, or Two: capital punishment.

    The latter is just a classy assassination.

    Uhm, after arrest he'll be tried by the International Court of Justice in the Hague. Good luck buying them off.

    you mean the international criminal court

  • satansfingerssatansfingers Registered User regular
    so, to clarify, when we say 'call for his arrest', we are suggesting that the american military should go to uganda and arrest this man?

    it seems like the implication there is that's something america can just snap its fingers and get done at no cost to anybody

    i haven't watched this video, but he should be indicted by the ICC. once that happens, it's up to individual states in which he hides to extradite him. the US doesn't tend to be that fond of working with the ICC, so it will probably have nothing to do with the matter.

  • Spectre-xSpectre-x Rating: AWESOME YESRegistered User regular
    Spectre-x wrote:
    Klendy wrote: »
    After arrest there are two options: he gets out with appeals and/or bribery in African courts, presuming there are any that will take the case, or Two: capital punishment.

    The latter is just a classy assassination.

    Uhm, after arrest he'll be tried by the International Court of Justice in the Hague. Good luck buying them off.

    you mean the international criminal court

    Right. Whoops! Still.

  • VoproSTEINVoproSTEIN howdyRegistered User regular
    I think the most important thing to know here is to do you're own research before you donate money to anything. Don't just trust that X person says it's the best/worst thing ever.

  • ChicoBlueChicoBlue Registered User regular
    I posit that we start an organization called the International Criminal Police.

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