I've had this discussion with people in the states and it seems like a fairly common argument against.
There really aren't wait times like that. If you need something fixed you will get it fixed. If you need it today you will get it when they wake up the surgeon. If you need something that is not at all urgent you may need to wait a while.
Law now demands that everyone shall be seen by a specialist no more than one month after their issue is brought to the attention of a hospital. That does not always include that a surgery is done within that timeframe but it will have been scheduled and you will have been helped as much as humanly possible in the time given.
What if there are simply not enough doctors?
Anecdote #2: My wife needed to see a nerve specialist, but it wasn't an emergency. She never saw one, because the number of emergency patients was always higher than the number of possible appointments, nationwide. Again, our family doctor told us she needed the care, but would be waiting indefinitely for it.
the answer is kind of obvious, Spool.
if there aren't enough doctors, then there aren't enough doctors.
how is that a problem specific to UHC?
EDIT: Even though that's a problem somebody somewhere deserves to be slapped for the country having.
Brain drain. Doctors don't make much in Ireland compared to other places because of cost control, so they leave for greener pastures once they have specialized skills.
Not to patronize, but have you talked about your doctor(s) about that.
Number of years back I was on a similar number, and was heavily advised to cut everything I could because they couldn't reasonably control for the ways they'd all inter-react with my system.
I would recommend at least asking them about the possibility of such a problem, and their thoughts.
What I'm saying is that UHC can end up terrible. I am worried that it will end up terrible here.
But, being America, we can make it fucking awesome. Because America.
fuck yeah. I don't get how this isn't the most obvious response from goddamn gun toting freedom loving republican assholes.
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What I'm saying is that UHC can end up terrible. I am worried that it will end up terrible here.
But, being America, we can make it fucking awesome. Because America.
fuck yeah. I don't get how this isn't the most obvious response from goddamn gun toting freedom loving republican assholes.
OH IT'S HARD TO DO? WE'LL SHOW YOU HARD TO DO
EAT SHIT CANADA
WOOOO FUCK YES. MAN ON THE MOTHERFUCKING MOON, THE MOTHERFUCKING INTERNET, BITCHES, AND THE WORLDS MOST BALLS-OUT BADASS FUCKING HEALTHCARE. EAT A DICK EUROPE!
I don't feel like searching for it, how did you feel about the optional Medicare buy-in? Like, choose between private insurance and entering the system currently just for old people?
Mazzyx asked me earlier. I'm a tentative yes. It passes Constitutional muster, and leaves me only with worrying about good implementation, which we can fix because America, Fuck Yeah.
What I'm saying is that UHC can end up terrible. I am worried that it will end up terrible here.
But, being America, we can make it fucking awesome. Because America.
fuck yeah. I don't get how this isn't the most obvious response from goddamn gun toting freedom loving republican assholes.
OH IT'S HARD TO DO? WE'LL SHOW YOU HARD TO DO
EAT SHIT CANADA
WOOOO FUCK YES. MAN ON THE MOTHERFUCKING MOON, THE MOTHERFUCKING INTERNET, BITCHES, AND THE WORLDS MOST BALLS-OUT BADASS FUCKING HEALTHCARE. EAT A DICK EUROPE!
apple pie
muscle cars
icbms
jean jackets
michael bay movies
I've had this discussion with people in the states and it seems like a fairly common argument against.
There really aren't wait times like that. If you need something fixed you will get it fixed. If you need it today you will get it when they wake up the surgeon. If you need something that is not at all urgent you may need to wait a while.
Law now demands that everyone shall be seen by a specialist no more than one month after their issue is brought to the attention of a hospital. That does not always include that a surgery is done within that timeframe but it will have been scheduled and you will have been helped as much as humanly possible in the time given.
What if there are simply not enough doctors?
Anecdote #2: My wife needed to see a nerve specialist, but it wasn't an emergency. She never saw one, because the number of emergency patients was always higher than the number of possible appointments, nationwide. Again, our family doctor told us she needed the care, but would be waiting indefinitely for it.
If we need more doctors, I imagine we could find them in the most economically dynamic nation in the history of the Earth. One cannot say "America, Fuck Yeah!" and then say "Oh, well, we'll fuckity fuck it up fo' sho'"
What I'm saying is that UHC can end up terrible. I am worried that it will end up terrible here.
But, being America, we can make it fucking awesome. Because America.
fuck yeah. I don't get how this isn't the most obvious response from goddamn gun toting freedom loving republican assholes.
OH IT'S HARD TO DO? WE'LL SHOW YOU HARD TO DO
EAT SHIT CANADA
WOOOO FUCK YES. MAN ON THE MOTHERFUCKING MOON, THE MOTHERFUCKING INTERNET, BITCHES, AND THE WORLDS MOST BALLS-OUT BADASS FUCKING HEALTHCARE. EAT A DICK EUROPE!
apple pie
muscle cars
icbms
jean jackets
michael bay movies
YOURE WELCOME REST OF THE PLANET
jean jackets do not belong on this list
But you didn't react at Michael Bay!?
hey, michael bay doesn't make good movies but i won't say no to some pizza and friends hanging out watching Baysplosions and Car-chBayses in HD
What I'm saying is that UHC can end up terrible. I am worried that it will end up terrible here.
But, being America, we can make it fucking awesome. Because America.
fuck yeah. I don't get how this isn't the most obvious response from goddamn gun toting freedom loving republican assholes.
OH IT'S HARD TO DO? WE'LL SHOW YOU HARD TO DO
EAT SHIT CANADA
WOOOO FUCK YES. MAN ON THE MOTHERFUCKING MOON, THE MOTHERFUCKING INTERNET, BITCHES, AND THE WORLDS MOST BALLS-OUT BADASS FUCKING HEALTHCARE. EAT A DICK EUROPE!
apple pie
muscle cars
icbms
jean jackets
michael bay movies
YOURE WELCOME REST OF THE PLANET
jean jackets do not belong on this list
But you didn't react at Michael Bay!?
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What I'm saying is that UHC can end up terrible. I am worried that it will end up terrible here.
But, being America, we can make it fucking awesome. Because America.
fuck yeah. I don't get how this isn't the most obvious response from goddamn gun toting freedom loving republican assholes.
OH IT'S HARD TO DO? WE'LL SHOW YOU HARD TO DO
EAT SHIT CANADA
WOOOO FUCK YES. MAN ON THE MOTHERFUCKING MOON, THE MOTHERFUCKING INTERNET, BITCHES, AND THE WORLDS MOST BALLS-OUT BADASS FUCKING HEALTHCARE. EAT A DICK EUROPE!
I don't feel like searching for it, how did you feel about the optional Medicare buy-in? Like, choose between private insurance and entering the system currently just for old people?
Mazzyx asked me earlier. I'm a tentative yes. It passes Constitutional muster, and leaves me only with worrying about good implementation, which we can fix because America, Fuck Yeah.
Where is the America, Fuck Yeah bill? In 2014 I'm going to at least get Medicaid. Ball's in your court.
I've had this discussion with people in the states and it seems like a fairly common argument against.
There really aren't wait times like that. If you need something fixed you will get it fixed. If you need it today you will get it when they wake up the surgeon. If you need something that is not at all urgent you may need to wait a while.
Law now demands that everyone shall be seen by a specialist no more than one month after their issue is brought to the attention of a hospital. That does not always include that a surgery is done within that timeframe but it will have been scheduled and you will have been helped as much as humanly possible in the time given.
What if there are simply not enough doctors?
Anecdote #2: My wife needed to see a nerve specialist, but it wasn't an emergency. She never saw one, because the number of emergency patients was always higher than the number of possible appointments, nationwide. Again, our family doctor told us she needed the care, but would be waiting indefinitely for it.
If we need more doctors, I imagine we could find them in the most economically dynamic nation in the history of the Earth. One cannot say "America, Fuck Yeah!" and then say "Oh, well, we'll fuckity fuck it up fo' sho'"
I know, man. It's a worry, though. I worry.
Its already happening with the current system. Cost, plus time of training and the AMA being dicks are the simple ways of explaining why.
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Most often I think it's our engineers that end up over seas because you can make MAD CASH in comparison.
What I'm saying is that UHC can end up terrible. I am worried that it will end up terrible here.
But, being America, we can make it fucking awesome. Because America.
fuck yeah. I don't get how this isn't the most obvious response from goddamn gun toting freedom loving republican assholes.
OH IT'S HARD TO DO? WE'LL SHOW YOU HARD TO DO
EAT SHIT CANADA
WOOOO FUCK YES. MAN ON THE MOTHERFUCKING MOON, THE MOTHERFUCKING INTERNET, BITCHES, AND THE WORLDS MOST BALLS-OUT BADASS FUCKING HEALTHCARE. EAT A DICK EUROPE!
I don't feel like searching for it, how did you feel about the optional Medicare buy-in? Like, choose between private insurance and entering the system currently just for old people?
Mazzyx asked me earlier. I'm a tentative yes. It passes Constitutional muster, and leaves me only with worrying about good implementation, which we can fix because America, Fuck Yeah.
Okay, cool. Yeah, I agree that there would be a lot of details to work out, but it seems like it would be simpler and better than the current situation. If people ended up preferring Medicare and private health insurance gradually went out of business due to lack of customers, you'd be fine with that due to the free market and all? I mean, it's not as if the government is obliged to protect an industry's business model.
In a hundred years babies will grow outside of the womb and then detach from the mother's body like a piece of fruit.
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AManFromEarthLet's get to twerk!The King in the SwampRegistered Userregular
How many people leave the US because of brain drain? And if we, the last liberal democracy to enact a national health service, finally get one, where are these specialists going to go and maintain a Western standard of living?
What I'm saying is that UHC can end up terrible. I am worried that it will end up terrible here.
But, being America, we can make it fucking awesome. Because America.
fuck yeah. I don't get how this isn't the most obvious response from goddamn gun toting freedom loving republican assholes.
OH IT'S HARD TO DO? WE'LL SHOW YOU HARD TO DO
EAT SHIT CANADA
WOOOO FUCK YES. MAN ON THE MOTHERFUCKING MOON, THE MOTHERFUCKING INTERNET, BITCHES, AND THE WORLDS MOST BALLS-OUT BADASS FUCKING HEALTHCARE. EAT A DICK EUROPE!
apple pie
muscle cars
icbms
jean jackets
michael bay movies
YOURE WELCOME REST OF THE PLANET
jean jackets do not belong on this list
But you didn't react at Michael Bay!?
hey, michael bay doesn't make good movies but i won't say no to some pizza and friends hanging out watching Baysplosions and Car-chBayses in HD
Maybe but I wouldn't put him on a list of great american things
You guys don't exactly have a lack of excellent directors.
I've had this discussion with people in the states and it seems like a fairly common argument against.
There really aren't wait times like that. If you need something fixed you will get it fixed. If you need it today you will get it when they wake up the surgeon. If you need something that is not at all urgent you may need to wait a while.
Law now demands that everyone shall be seen by a specialist no more than one month after their issue is brought to the attention of a hospital. That does not always include that a surgery is done within that timeframe but it will have been scheduled and you will have been helped as much as humanly possible in the time given.
What if there are simply not enough doctors?
Anecdote #2: My wife needed to see a nerve specialist, but it wasn't an emergency. She never saw one, because the number of emergency patients was always higher than the number of possible appointments, nationwide. Again, our family doctor told us she needed the care, but would be waiting indefinitely for it.
the answer is kind of obvious, Spool.
if there aren't enough doctors, then there aren't enough doctors.
how is that a problem specific to UHC?
EDIT: Even though that's a problem somebody somewhere deserves to be slapped for the country having.
Brain drain. Doctors don't make much in Ireland compared to other places because of cost control, so they leave for greener pastures once they have specialized skills.
the brain drain is not due to UHC in Ireland. The vastly more important reason is, it's Ireland.
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I thought that had more to do with the usual Lack of needed air conditioning and infrastructure. Like if California suffered freak tornados.
1. All pharmacies have green neon crosses highly visible for some reason and there are a jillion of them.
2. That reason is probably that if you sneeze, the french will go "SACRE BLEU YOU ARE SICK GO GET ZOME MEDICIN!"
3. I don't know more about french healthcare.
4. 10,000 people died of heat-related illness in the summer of 2003 while the health system was on vacation.
Weren't they all old, though?
I'm ready for some French-style healthcare. Fix Medicare right up! We'll be solvent in no time!
Yeah, I thought that was due primarily to nobody in France knowing how to deal with real heat because it never gets that hot there, and old people being pretty fragile.
What I'm saying is that UHC can end up terrible. I am worried that it will end up terrible here.
But, being America, we can make it fucking awesome. Because America.
fuck yeah. I don't get how this isn't the most obvious response from goddamn gun toting freedom loving republican assholes.
OH IT'S HARD TO DO? WE'LL SHOW YOU HARD TO DO
EAT SHIT CANADA
WOOOO FUCK YES. MAN ON THE MOTHERFUCKING MOON, THE MOTHERFUCKING INTERNET, BITCHES, AND THE WORLDS MOST BALLS-OUT BADASS FUCKING HEALTHCARE. EAT A DICK EUROPE!
apple pie
muscle cars
icbms
jean jackets
michael bay movies
YOURE WELCOME REST OF THE PLANET
jean jackets do not belong on this list
But you didn't react at Michael Bay!?
hey, michael bay doesn't make good movies but i won't say no to some pizza and friends hanging out watching Baysplosions and Car-chBayses in HD
Maybe but I wouldn't put him on a list of great american things
You guys don't exactly have a lack of excellent directors.
What I'm saying is that UHC can end up terrible. I am worried that it will end up terrible here.
But, being America, we can make it fucking awesome. Because America.
fuck yeah. I don't get how this isn't the most obvious response from goddamn gun toting freedom loving republican assholes.
OH IT'S HARD TO DO? WE'LL SHOW YOU HARD TO DO
EAT SHIT CANADA
America used to pride itself on having a can-do attitude.
I dunno exactly when to pin-point the change, but now it seems like if there are any challenges at all to overcome the national response is to declare it impossible.
1962: We choose to go to the Moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard.
2012: We choose not to go to the corner store today because we are lazy.
1. All pharmacies have green neon crosses highly visible for some reason and there are a jillion of them.
2. That reason is probably that if you sneeze, the french will go "SACRE BLEU YOU ARE SICK GO GET ZOME MEDICIN!"
3. I don't know more about french healthcare.
4. 10,000 people died of heat-related illness in the summer of 2003 while the health system was on vacation.
Weren't they all old, though?
I'm ready for some French-style healthcare. Fix Medicare right up! We'll be solvent in no time!
Yeah, I thought that was due primarily to nobody in France knowing how to deal with real heat because it never gets that hot there, and old people being pretty fragile.
I'm sure it's because of the healthcare, Carrot.
See, we have private healthcare in America, and nobody ever dies from weather-related phenomena.
1. All pharmacies have green neon crosses highly visible for some reason and there are a jillion of them.
2. That reason is probably that if you sneeze, the french will go "SACRE BLEU YOU ARE SICK GO GET ZOME MEDICIN!"
3. I don't know more about french healthcare.
4. 10,000 people died of heat-related illness in the summer of 2003 while the health system was on vacation.
Weren't they all old, though?
I'm ready for some French-style healthcare. Fix Medicare right up! We'll be solvent in no time!
Yeah, I thought that was due primarily to nobody in France knowing how to deal with real heat because it never gets that hot there, and old people being pretty fragile.
Also, are we really going to get cut up about France? It's France for crying out loud. What have they done for me lately besides setting up a massively dysfunctional economy that might screw me into a Romney presidency?
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Well, yeah.
I do nine. Granted only five are prescription but the others are p necessary for getting my daily intake of vitamins and such
Brain drain. Doctors don't make much in Ireland compared to other places because of cost control, so they leave for greener pastures once they have specialized skills.
Not to patronize, but have you talked about your doctor(s) about that.
Number of years back I was on a similar number, and was heavily advised to cut everything I could because they couldn't reasonably control for the ways they'd all inter-react with my system.
I would recommend at least asking them about the possibility of such a problem, and their thoughts.
jean jackets do not belong on this list
Mazzyx asked me earlier. I'm a tentative yes. It passes Constitutional muster, and leaves me only with worrying about good implementation, which we can fix because America, Fuck Yeah.
It's such a fucking shit show.
This is what I know:
1. All pharmacies have green neon crosses highly visible for some reason and there are a jillion of them.
2. That reason is probably that if you sneeze, the french will go "SACRE BLEU YOU ARE SICK GO GET ZOME MEDICIN!"
3. I don't know more about french healthcare.
But you didn't react at Michael Bay!?
I know, man. It's a worry, though. I worry.
hey, michael bay doesn't make good movies but i won't say no to some pizza and friends hanging out watching Baysplosions and Car-chBayses in HD
America
Where is the America, Fuck Yeah bill? In 2014 I'm going to at least get Medicaid. Ball's in your court.
Its already happening with the current system. Cost, plus time of training and the AMA being dicks are the simple ways of explaining why.
machine guns
peanut butter
traffic lights
telephones
sitcoms
4. 10,000 people died of heat-related illness in the summer of 2003 while the health system was on vacation.
I'm ready for some French-style healthcare. Fix Medicare right up! We'll be solvent in no time!
In a hundred years babies will grow outside of the womb and then detach from the mother's body like a piece of fruit.
that is freaky.
Maybe but I wouldn't put him on a list of great american things
You guys don't exactly have a lack of excellent directors.
START THE REACTOR
the brain drain is not due to UHC in Ireland. The vastly more important reason is, it's Ireland.
we don't lack for much of anything 8)
well, UHC
um
stronger safety nets in general
but our cuisine/art fucking rules
America used to pride itself on having a can-do attitude.
I dunno exactly when to pin-point the change, but now it seems like if there are any challenges at all to overcome the national response is to declare it impossible.
1962: We choose to go to the Moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard.
2012: We choose not to go to the corner store today because we are lazy.
See, we have private healthcare in America, and nobody ever dies from weather-related phenomena.
The last time you brought that up it was a bad argument, and it hasn't gotten any better in the last year.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
Also, are we really going to get cut up about France? It's France for crying out loud. What have they done for me lately besides setting up a massively dysfunctional economy that might screw me into a Romney presidency?
what health-related illnessess was that
and you can bet your ass they were all halfway to a heat stroke and dehydrated and going all
SACRE BLEU
I AM SICK
I NEED SOME MEDICINE
and then they went and got some medicine and then they died.
So there is some seasonal flavors of death here.
:^:
my sister had a cold and like everyone was going all YOU ARE SICK GO GET SOME MEDICINE
it's the common cold you french farts