Technically drop play shouldn't be a problem in ZvT now because drops get shut down with an infestor, spore, and spine.
Someone should tell that to nestea and stephano, because that's how they both lost.
The problem with using infestors to defend against drops is that it requires a lot of babysitting, and a lot of energy. Alive and MMA were sending drops to bases constantly, while continually poking and flanking with their main army. I don't care how good of a zerg you are, it's hard to efficiently deal with drops when it takes more than one fungal to kill a dropship or a pack of marines, and when 6 3/3 marines can take out three spines crawlers fairly easily.
Anyway, I'm not saying drops are op right now or anything, I'm just saying they certainly tax a zerg player more than the other races when you get into the late game. I'm hoping the new zerg units mitigate it a little bit, because right now even the best zergs in the world look so frustrated against it.
Stephano does this occassionally. He did this vs. Polt during Lonestar, for example. This is just like protoss leaving HTs in their base to feedback medivacs. I think Zergs are still trying to integrate infestors in their play and haven't gotten to the point of refinement where they do this. But I think they'll get there eventually.
And Meeks, I don't like Muta transition when going ling/infestor because you can't survive on just mutas and lings. You really need ling/bling/muta to be stable which delays your infestors by a good bit. I prefer to think that appropriate unit positioning and spotting can deal with drops without having to resort to mutas.
In the late game, there's also the option of patrolling 2-3 corruptors at the perimeters of your base to deter drop play.
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I'm just saying they certainly tax a zerg player more than the other races when you get into the late game.
I really disagree with this. Drops are such a concern in TvT that Turret rings become a necessity beyond 3 bases, especially since a doom drop that includes Tanks isn't defendable without losing a large chunk of production or army.
Late-game drops against Protoss are pointless though, yes. They just laugh and warp in 15 Zealots or Feedback.
Yeah, but those kind of issues are always mitigated in mirror matchups. Sure, drops are pretty deadly in tvt, but if you're having trouble defending against them, you can just start using them yourself. So there's a least a bit of a balance there. Sadly it doesn't look like any of the terran units in hots are going to lessen the impact of drops.
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Stephano does this occassionally. He did this vs. Polt during Lonestar, for example. This is just like protoss leaving HTs in their base to feedback medivacs. I think Zergs are still trying to integrate infestors in their play and haven't gotten to the point of refinement where they do this. But I think they'll get there eventually.
And Meeks, I don't like Muta transition when going ling/infestor because you can't survive on just mutas and lings. You really need ling/bling/muta to be stable which delays your infestors by a good bit. I prefer to think that appropriate unit positioning and spotting can deal with drops without having to resort to mutas.
In the late game, there's also the option of patrolling 2-3 corruptors at the perimeters of your base to deter drop play.
We can still tell that you're losing though.
Yeah, but those kind of issues are always mitigated in mirror matchups. Sure, drops are pretty deadly in tvt, but if you're having trouble defending against them, you can just start using them yourself. So there's a least a bit of a balance there. Sadly it doesn't look like any of the terran units in hots are going to lessen the impact of drops.
fffffffffffffuck streaming then
also yes i lost T.T
http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/IronSquid
with dt's T.T
That is what I get for off racing as terran *flex*
i am pretty much the worst
but still fun
edit: also im terrible, way worse then you probibly are.
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In no particular order: Mig, Jadewombat, Jeff, Doc, 38th, PantsB, Snowcrash, and me!
Whoever that is with the bandana, you are a badass sir.
almost exactly how i thought he would
ie. always holding a goomba
edit: artosis secret pa forumer
this explains why we've never seen kambing's legs, he is actually just artosis' hand puppet
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So jealous. I bet if I think real hard about it, I can tell which person in the picture is Mig.
Mig is clearly the girl, which would make Narwhal the one in the Ackbar shirt.
How do we proceed to do battle?
Shit. I'll take that.
arghhhh told myself i was gonna accomplish things before sleep T.T
i can come back on for a little bit, will be in channel pa
got the grumpiest eyebrows right now
bending so far down they're becoming my moustache
and what exactly are you?
He is by far the youngest person in that picture :P
Nah, I'm the one with the huge beard. But Mig is totally the chick.
He's obviously cool. He types in all caps.
totally not a nerd
(i'm totally a nerd who is channeling his jealousy at pax attendees into half-hearted mockery)
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Yeah but Narwhal probably won't be there. It'll just be a bunch of dudes. Not as much fun.