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    BurtletoyBurtletoy Registered User regular
    I hope this hasn't been posted already, but isn't this dude one of the kinda-sorta possible veep picks for Mittens? Cuz he's a hoot.
    House Republican Allen West: '78 to 81' Congressional Democrats Are Communists

    Never one to shrink from controversy, Rep. Allen West, R-Fla., says he believes scores of his Democratic House colleagues are members of the Communist Party.

    At a town hall meeting Tuesday in Palm City, Fla., the Tea Party-backed freshman was asked by a man in the audience: "What percentage of the American legislature do you think are card carrying Marxists or neo-Castro Socialists?"

    West responded that he believed "there's about 78 to 81 members of the Democrat Party that are members of the Communist Party."

    When asked to name them, he declined.

    I don't think he is a kinda-sorta veep pick./ He is, however, the person Sarah Palin said she thinks Romney should pick.

    Hopefully Romneys team is stupid enough to listen to her, but I doubt it.

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    SinWithSebastianSinWithSebastian Registered User regular
    Aww :( I don't want the magic train ride of insanity to end!

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    YougottawannaYougottawanna Registered User regular
    edited April 2012
    Burtletoy wrote: »
    I hope this hasn't been posted already, but isn't this dude one of the kinda-sorta possible veep picks for Mittens? Cuz he's a hoot.
    House Republican Allen West: '78 to 81' Congressional Democrats Are Communists

    Never one to shrink from controversy, Rep. Allen West, R-Fla., says he believes scores of his Democratic House colleagues are members of the Communist Party.

    At a town hall meeting Tuesday in Palm City, Fla., the Tea Party-backed freshman was asked by a man in the audience: "What percentage of the American legislature do you think are card carrying Marxists or neo-Castro Socialists?"

    West responded that he believed "there's about 78 to 81 members of the Democrat Party that are members of the Communist Party."

    When asked to name them, he declined.

    I don't think he is a kinda-sorta veep pick./ He is, however, the person Sarah Palin said she thinks Romney should pick.

    Hopefully Romneys team is stupid enough to listen to her, but I doubt it.

    "About 78 to 81." I get that these guys make shit up on the spot, but I don't get why they attach specific numbers to it.

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    CervetusCervetus Registered User regular
    Burtletoy wrote: »
    I hope this hasn't been posted already, but isn't this dude one of the kinda-sorta possible veep picks for Mittens? Cuz he's a hoot.
    House Republican Allen West: '78 to 81' Congressional Democrats Are Communists

    Never one to shrink from controversy, Rep. Allen West, R-Fla., says he believes scores of his Democratic House colleagues are members of the Communist Party.

    At a town hall meeting Tuesday in Palm City, Fla., the Tea Party-backed freshman was asked by a man in the audience: "What percentage of the American legislature do you think are card carrying Marxists or neo-Castro Socialists?"

    West responded that he believed "there's about 78 to 81 members of the Democrat Party that are members of the Communist Party."

    When asked to name them, he declined.

    I don't think he is a kinda-sorta veep pick./ He is, however, the person Sarah Palin said she thinks Romney should pick.

    Hopefully Romneys team is stupid enough to listen to her, but I doubt it.

    "About 78 to 81." I get that these guys make shit up on the spot, but I don't get why they attach specific numbers to it.

    Well nobody would be worried if it was only 77 Communists, and 82 is just too ludicrous to believe!

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    ZythonZython Registered User regular
    edited April 2012
    Burtletoy wrote: »
    I hope this hasn't been posted already, but isn't this dude one of the kinda-sorta possible veep picks for Mittens? Cuz he's a hoot.
    House Republican Allen West: '78 to 81' Congressional Democrats Are Communists

    Never one to shrink from controversy, Rep. Allen West, R-Fla., says he believes scores of his Democratic House colleagues are members of the Communist Party.

    At a town hall meeting Tuesday in Palm City, Fla., the Tea Party-backed freshman was asked by a man in the audience: "What percentage of the American legislature do you think are card carrying Marxists or neo-Castro Socialists?"

    West responded that he believed "there's about 78 to 81 members of the Democrat Party that are members of the Communist Party."

    When asked to name them, he declined.

    I don't think he is a kinda-sorta veep pick./ He is, however, the person Sarah Palin said she thinks Romney should pick.

    Hopefully Romneys team is stupid enough to listen to her, but I doubt it.

    "About 78 to 81." I get that these guys make shit up on the spot, but I don't get why they attach specific numbers to it.

    That's easy. To make it sound plausible. It attaches a level of certainty to it, especially if they're not using a multiple of 5. Unfortunately, it's just as easy to lie about numbers as anything else.

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    TheCanManTheCanMan GT: Gasman122009 JerseyRegistered User regular
    edited April 2012
    Roz wrote: »
    Absalon wrote: »
    So, fellow Coastal elites, how much do we hate strong conservative women? Personally, I hate them much.

    Now Rosen is apologizing. She better not be kow-towing. She has nothing to fear and she didn't act out of line.

    Personally, I hope you don't hate them at all. Disagree with them, sure. Consider their ivory tower misguided nature harmful to the general public, yeah, of course. But actively hate? I don't see the point.

    I actively hate a good 60-70% of the American populace. "Strong conservative women" are just a subset of a much larger ball of scorn that is my existence.

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    tbloxhamtbloxham Registered User regular
    edited April 2012
    Cervetus wrote: »
    Burtletoy wrote: »
    I hope this hasn't been posted already, but isn't this dude one of the kinda-sorta possible veep picks for Mittens? Cuz he's a hoot.
    House Republican Allen West: '78 to 81' Congressional Democrats Are Communists

    Never one to shrink from controversy, Rep. Allen West, R-Fla., says he believes scores of his Democratic House colleagues are members of the Communist Party.

    At a town hall meeting Tuesday in Palm City, Fla., the Tea Party-backed freshman was asked by a man in the audience: "What percentage of the American legislature do you think are card carrying Marxists or neo-Castro Socialists?"

    West responded that he believed "there's about 78 to 81 members of the Democrat Party that are members of the Communist Party."

    When asked to name them, he declined.

    I don't think he is a kinda-sorta veep pick./ He is, however, the person Sarah Palin said she thinks Romney should pick.

    Hopefully Romneys team is stupid enough to listen to her, but I doubt it.

    "About 78 to 81." I get that these guys make shit up on the spot, but I don't get why they attach specific numbers to it.

    Well nobody would be worried if it was only 77 Communists, and 82 is just too ludicrous to believe!

    I believe that 89 members of the republican party are fascists, and 23 are papists. As we know 46% of fascists are nazis and nazis count for 1.9 fascists. Papists count for 0.75 fascists and each fascist is worth 1.5 communists. So the republican party contains 214.644 Communist Equivalent Units (CEU)! That's almost triplethe CEU of the democrats!

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    enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    Burtletoy wrote: »
    I hope this hasn't been posted already, but isn't this dude one of the kinda-sorta possible veep picks for Mittens? Cuz he's a hoot.
    House Republican Allen West: '78 to 81' Congressional Democrats Are Communists

    Never one to shrink from controversy, Rep. Allen West, R-Fla., says he believes scores of his Democratic House colleagues are members of the Communist Party.

    At a town hall meeting Tuesday in Palm City, Fla., the Tea Party-backed freshman was asked by a man in the audience: "What percentage of the American legislature do you think are card carrying Marxists or neo-Castro Socialists?"

    West responded that he believed "there's about 78 to 81 members of the Democrat Party that are members of the Communist Party."

    When asked to name them, he declined.

    I don't think he is a kinda-sorta veep pick./ He is, however, the person Sarah Palin said she thinks Romney should pick.

    Hopefully Romneys team is stupid enough to listen to her, but I doubt it.

    "About 78 to 81." I get that these guys make shit up on the spot, but I don't get why they attach specific numbers to it.

    76 members of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, Bernie Sanders, and then 1 to 4 of like Franken, Brown, Whitehouse, and I dunno, Mikulski?

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    DelzhandDelzhand Hard to miss. Registered User regular
    I hope this hasn't been posted already, but isn't this dude one of the kinda-sorta possible veep picks for Mittens? Cuz he's a hoot.
    ...members of the Democrat Party...

    :?

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    RozRoz Boss of InternetRegistered User regular
    edited April 2012
    TheCanMan wrote: »
    Roz wrote: »
    Absalon wrote: »
    So, fellow Coastal elites, how much do we hate strong conservative women? Personally, I hate them much.

    Now Rosen is apologizing. She better not be kow-towing. She has nothing to fear and she didn't act out of line.

    Personally, I hope you don't hate them at all. Disagree with them, sure. Consider their ivory tower misguided nature harmful to the general public, yeah, of course. But actively hate? I don't see the point.

    I actively hate a good 60-70% of the American populace. "Strong conservative women" are just a subset of a much larger ball of scorn that is my existence.

    :( I don't think I could live like that, to be honest. My mother is a strong conservative woman, and while I feel she is misinformed on some things, and misguided on others, I still love her. I think that's why I try to at least understand where people are coming from with their beliefs and arguments. I can't muster the emotional armor to hate them, I just think that they are wrong and leave my emotions at the ballot box.

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    TheCanManTheCanMan GT: Gasman122009 JerseyRegistered User regular
    edited April 2012
    Roz wrote: »
    TheCanMan wrote: »
    Roz wrote: »
    Absalon wrote: »
    So, fellow Coastal elites, how much do we hate strong conservative women? Personally, I hate them much.

    Now Rosen is apologizing. She better not be kow-towing. She has nothing to fear and she didn't act out of line.

    Personally, I hope you don't hate them at all. Disagree with them, sure. Consider their ivory tower misguided nature harmful to the general public, yeah, of course. But actively hate? I don't see the point.

    I actively hate a good 60-70% of the American populace. "Strong conservative women" are just a subset of a much larger ball of scorn that is my existence.

    :( I don't think I could live like that, to be honest. My mother is a strong conservative woman, and while I feel she is misinformed on some things, and misguided on others, I still love her. I think that's why I try to at least understand where people are coming from with their beliefs and arguments. I can't muster the emotional armor to hate them, I just think that they are wrong and leave my emotions at the ballot box.

    I hate you.
    For a more serious response, probably about half of my extended family (Aunts, Uncles, cousins) are conservative as well as the only three guys I consider truly meaningful friends. My love for them dwarfs the hate I feel every time they say something that reminds me of their hideous political beliefs. So I just try to avoid all political conversations with them.

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    CommunistCowCommunistCow Abstract Metal ThingyRegistered User regular
    edited April 2012
    I really don't understand how people in this thread can be saying Obama or Romney are really likely to win some specific swing state. Even with current polls I can't imagine that data would be very accurate this far out.

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    RozRoz Boss of InternetRegistered User regular
    TheCanMan wrote: »
    Roz wrote: »
    TheCanMan wrote: »
    Roz wrote: »
    Absalon wrote: »
    So, fellow Coastal elites, how much do we hate strong conservative women? Personally, I hate them much.

    Now Rosen is apologizing. She better not be kow-towing. She has nothing to fear and she didn't act out of line.

    Personally, I hope you don't hate them at all. Disagree with them, sure. Consider their ivory tower misguided nature harmful to the general public, yeah, of course. But actively hate? I don't see the point.

    I actively hate a good 60-70% of the American populace. "Strong conservative women" are just a subset of a much larger ball of scorn that is my existence.

    :( I don't think I could live like that, to be honest. My mother is a strong conservative woman, and while I feel she is misinformed on some things, and misguided on others, I still love her. I think that's why I try to at least understand where people are coming from with their beliefs and arguments. I can't muster the emotional armor to hate them, I just think that they are wrong and leave my emotions at the ballot box.

    I hate you.
    For a more serious response, probably about half of my extended family (Aunts, Uncles, cousins) are conservative as well as the only three guys I consider truly meaningful friends. My love for them dwarfs the hate I feel every time they say something that reminds me of their hideous political beliefs. So I just try to avoid all political conversations with them.

    So then you don't really hate them, you just hate the beliefs they hold? I think if you can separate the two, then we're pretty close in emotional leanings.

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    PantsBPantsB Fake Thomas Jefferson Registered User regular
    I really don't understand how people in this thread can be saying Obama or Romney are really likely to win some specific swing state. Even with current polls I can't imagine that data would be very accurate this far out.

    Because the numbers don't swing that extremely. A double digit lead in a so-called "swing state" with a sitting President and a well known challenger means its unlikely that it will change drastically.

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    MalkorMalkor Registered User regular
    TheCanMan wrote: »
    Roz wrote: »
    TheCanMan wrote: »
    Roz wrote: »
    Absalon wrote: »
    So, fellow Coastal elites, how much do we hate strong conservative women? Personally, I hate them much.

    Now Rosen is apologizing. She better not be kow-towing. She has nothing to fear and she didn't act out of line.

    Personally, I hope you don't hate them at all. Disagree with them, sure. Consider their ivory tower misguided nature harmful to the general public, yeah, of course. But actively hate? I don't see the point.

    I actively hate a good 60-70% of the American populace. "Strong conservative women" are just a subset of a much larger ball of scorn that is my existence.

    :( I don't think I could live like that, to be honest. My mother is a strong conservative woman, and while I feel she is misinformed on some things, and misguided on others, I still love her. I think that's why I try to at least understand where people are coming from with their beliefs and arguments. I can't muster the emotional armor to hate them, I just think that they are wrong and leave my emotions at the ballot box.

    I hate you.
    For a more serious response, probably about half of my extended family (Aunts, Uncles, cousins) are conservative as well as the only three guys I consider truly meaningful friends. My love for them dwarfs the hate I feel every time they say something that reminds me of their hideous political beliefs. So I just try to avoid all political conversations with them.

    I once tried to have a serious conversation with an older cousin about how ridiculous it is to think that the entire intelligence apparatus of the United States was either misled or misinformed about a kid growing up in Hawaii either by his mother or by a cabal of people who have the specific intention of having a Kenyan man become president.

    Once you get down to it, there's not much there beyond the talking points. And my cousin is an immigrant from Africa himself. He's not a bad person, he just thinks that the people who have concerns have valid ones and that their "evidence" isn't built with a fraying sting.

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    tbloxhamtbloxham Registered User regular
    The only Republican I know whose opinions I truly respect and will have a political discourse with is one whose beliefs are pretty much, "Screw everyone else but me and my family, I want what is good for them and everyone else can go die. I know that these policies are unfair to others and won't do them any good, they will work for me"

    It's the only logic I can accept for the Republican platform, everything else makes no sense.

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    Dark_SideDark_Side Registered User regular
    tbloxham wrote: »
    The only Republican I know whose opinions I truly respect and will have a political discourse with is one whose beliefs are pretty much, "Screw everyone else but me and my family, I want what is good for them and everyone else can go die. I know that these policies are unfair to others and won't do them any good, they will work for me"

    It's the only logic I can accept for the Republican platform, everything else makes no sense.

    I have a co-worker like that. His political arguments routinely boil down to the Randian philosophy Roger Ebert paraphrased so well as ""I’m on board; pull up the lifeline." We would go round and round about health care, with him implying that he shouldn't have to pay for other people's bad decisions and me asking him were that the case, would he be willing to stand at the door of the hospital to shoo poor people and their sick kids away? To which he flat out stated yes. And unless you're an inhuman robot incapable of feelings, that is a line of complete bullshit. He also smokes, which only lends a fine sheen of irony to our discussions every time he goes on about people making bad choices that they should have to pay for.

    It's that common problem that people who hold libertarian worldviews always think that in their fantasy world, they will be the ones on the top of the human pile.

    Back on topic, I don't think he likes a single one of the candidates beyond a moderately positive view of Ron Paul.

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    CommunistCowCommunistCow Abstract Metal ThingyRegistered User regular
    PantsB wrote: »
    I really don't understand how people in this thread can be saying Obama or Romney are really likely to win some specific swing state. Even with current polls I can't imagine that data would be very accurate this far out.

    Because the numbers don't swing that extremely. A double digit lead in a so-called "swing state" with a sitting President and a well known challenger means its unlikely that it will change drastically.

    I went and tried to look up some numbers from Ohio or Florida in the months leading up to the 2004 election. I only found some numbers for the end of October. Gallup predicted 50% Kerry, 46% Bush. The results ended up being 51% bush 49% Kerry. So Bush out performed his poll by 5% from a poll taken only days before an election. I would guess that someone could lose a low double digit lead 6 months out.

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    Boring7Boring7 Registered User regular
    SyphonBlue wrote: »
    Malkor wrote: »
    Well folks, it's on like Donkey Kong
    @CatholicLeague: Lesbian Dem Hilary Rosen tells Ann Romney she never worked a day in her life. Unlike Rosen, who had to adopt kids, Ann raised 5 of her own.

    I predict that this will be a perfect storm of hyperbole.

    pfffffffhahahaha like anyone anywhere except Rachel Maddow is going to bring this up!

    And the Catholic league is doubling down going "lol u mad".

    They are such horrible little scumbags, aren't they?

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    KetBraKetBra Dressed Ridiculously Registered User regular
    PantsB wrote: »
    I really don't understand how people in this thread can be saying Obama or Romney are really likely to win some specific swing state. Even with current polls I can't imagine that data would be very accurate this far out.

    Because the numbers don't swing that extremely. A double digit lead in a so-called "swing state" with a sitting President and a well known challenger means its unlikely that it will change drastically.

    I've been looking at polling lately, and went to RCP to see what their projections are looking like so far, and wow.

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    chrisnlchrisnl Registered User regular
    KetBra wrote: »
    PantsB wrote: »
    I really don't understand how people in this thread can be saying Obama or Romney are really likely to win some specific swing state. Even with current polls I can't imagine that data would be very accurate this far out.

    Because the numbers don't swing that extremely. A double digit lead in a so-called "swing state" with a sitting President and a well known challenger means its unlikely that it will change drastically.

    I've been looking at polling lately, and went to RCP to see what their projections are looking like so far, and wow.

    So Michigan is pretty solidly Democrat, but they somehow have a Republican Governor, Republican Super Majority in the Senate, and a Republican led House of Representatives? This confuses me, is the local Republican Party somehow less obnoxious than the national version? (I'm pretty sure the answer to that one is 'no' because of the crazy things happening in Michigan lately)

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    TaramoorTaramoor Storyteller Registered User regular
    chrisnl wrote: »
    KetBra wrote: »
    PantsB wrote: »
    I really don't understand how people in this thread can be saying Obama or Romney are really likely to win some specific swing state. Even with current polls I can't imagine that data would be very accurate this far out.

    Because the numbers don't swing that extremely. A double digit lead in a so-called "swing state" with a sitting President and a well known challenger means its unlikely that it will change drastically.

    I've been looking at polling lately, and went to RCP to see what their projections are looking like so far, and wow.

    So Michigan is pretty solidly Democrat, but they somehow have a Republican Governor, Republican Super Majority in the Senate, and a Republican led House of Representatives? This confuses me, is the local Republican Party somehow less obnoxious than the national version? (I'm pretty sure the answer to that one is 'no' because of the crazy things happening in Michigan lately)

    The reason they're pretty solidly Democrat is because of the actions of the Republican Executive and Legislative branches. Seriously, they've gone off the deepend, selling whole chunks of the state to corporations.

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    KetBraKetBra Dressed Ridiculously Registered User regular
    edited April 2012
    Looking at that map makes me think one thing: who from Pennsylvania is Romney going to pick for VP?

    (I mean, the obvious answer is Santorum, but that's a disaster in five other ways)

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    Captain CarrotCaptain Carrot Alexandria, VARegistered User regular
    Nobody, because he doesn't need another Northeasterner geographically, and I can't think of anyone there with significant foreign policy experience, which is where Romney is weakest.

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    mightyspacepopemightyspacepope Registered User regular
    For once, I wholeheartedly agree with Newt Gingrich!

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/12/newt-gingrich-fox-news-bias-cnn-romney_n_1420274.html?ref=politics&ir=Politics
    "I think Fox has been for Romney all the way through," Gingrich said, according to Real Clear Politics. "In our experience, Callista and I both believe CNN is less biased than Fox this year. We are more likely to get neutral coverage out of CNN than we are of Fox, and we're more likely to get distortion out of Fox. That's just a fact."

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    KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    a network being LESS BIASED than Fox?!

    perish the thought, sir!

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    MuddBuddMuddBudd Registered User regular
    http://youtu.be/HONqbvx7D2E

    As always, do not read the comments

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    Kipling217Kipling217 Registered User regular
    For once, I wholeheartedly agree with Newt Gingrich!

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/12/newt-gingrich-fox-news-bias-cnn-romney_n_1420274.html?ref=politics&ir=Politics
    "I think Fox has been for Romney all the way through," Gingrich said, according to Real Clear Politics. "In our experience, Callista and I both believe CNN is less biased than Fox this year. We are more likely to get neutral coverage out of CNN than we are of Fox, and we're more likely to get distortion out of Fox. That's just a fact."

    Yeah, but pretty much the entire conservative establishment hated Gingrich. They remember him leading the Republican Revolution into the ground, back in the 90s.

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    psyck0psyck0 Registered User regular
    I really don't understand how people in this thread can be saying Obama or Romney are really likely to win some specific swing state. Even with current polls I can't imagine that data would be very accurate this far out.

    The only reason is because if we don't talk about worthless polls then there is nothing to talk about, because media has devolved into polling people and then polling them to see what they think about the poll results.

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    tbloxhamtbloxham Registered User regular
    I don't like how swiftly people have backed down over this 'Ann Romney has no idea how hard the real world is' thing. The woman is married to a multi millionaire and has never wanted for anything in her entire life. If her kids stressed her out for one second she could send them right off to a nanny, and any chore she didn't want to do someone could do for her. There's a MASSIVE difference between choosing to do something and having to do something. I think vegetable gardening is a great hobby, but I don't think it gives me any real understanding of the plight of peasant farmers in the middle ages. Why? Because I could have someone else take care of it whenever I want to, so even if I spend 8 hours weeding and doing stuff on the weekend and work literally from dawn till dusk it still isn't in the same ballpark.

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    Mad King GeorgeMad King George Registered User regular
    edited April 2012
    You mean that she may not know any teachers at a private boarding school but she's great friends with the presidents of private boarding schools?

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    CogliostroCogliostro Marginal Opinions Spring, TXRegistered User regular
    tbloxham wrote: »
    Cervetus wrote: »
    Burtletoy wrote: »
    I hope this hasn't been posted already, but isn't this dude one of the kinda-sorta possible veep picks for Mittens? Cuz he's a hoot.
    House Republican Allen West: '78 to 81' Congressional Democrats Are Communists

    Never one to shrink from controversy, Rep. Allen West, R-Fla., says he believes scores of his Democratic House colleagues are members of the Communist Party.

    At a town hall meeting Tuesday in Palm City, Fla., the Tea Party-backed freshman was asked by a man in the audience: "What percentage of the American legislature do you think are card carrying Marxists or neo-Castro Socialists?"

    West responded that he believed "there's about 78 to 81 members of the Democrat Party that are members of the Communist Party."

    When asked to name them, he declined.

    I don't think he is a kinda-sorta veep pick./ He is, however, the person Sarah Palin said she thinks Romney should pick.

    Hopefully Romneys team is stupid enough to listen to her, but I doubt it.

    "About 78 to 81." I get that these guys make shit up on the spot, but I don't get why they attach specific numbers to it.

    Well nobody would be worried if it was only 77 Communists, and 82 is just too ludicrous to believe!

    I believe that 89 members of the republican party are fascists, and 23 are papists. As we know 46% of fascists are nazis and nazis count for 1.9 fascists. Papists count for 0.75 fascists and each fascist is worth 1.5 communists. So the republican party contains 214.644 Communist Equivalent Units (CEU)! That's almost triplethe CEU of the democrats!

    that is definitely doubleplus ungood!

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    enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    Taramoor wrote: »
    chrisnl wrote: »
    KetBra wrote: »
    PantsB wrote: »
    I really don't understand how people in this thread can be saying Obama or Romney are really likely to win some specific swing state. Even with current polls I can't imagine that data would be very accurate this far out.

    Because the numbers don't swing that extremely. A double digit lead in a so-called "swing state" with a sitting President and a well known challenger means its unlikely that it will change drastically.

    I've been looking at polling lately, and went to RCP to see what their projections are looking like so far, and wow.

    So Michigan is pretty solidly Democrat, but they somehow have a Republican Governor, Republican Super Majority in the Senate, and a Republican led House of Representatives? This confuses me, is the local Republican Party somehow less obnoxious than the national version? (I'm pretty sure the answer to that one is 'no' because of the crazy things happening in Michigan lately)

    The reason they're pretty solidly Democrat is because of the actions of the Republican Executive and Legislative branches. Seriously, they've gone off the deepend, selling whole chunks of the state to corporations.

    No, we're solidly Democratic because the major population area (SE Michigan) is Democratic. But for the state legislature, you get a bunch of reps from the rural areas. As for Snyder, Michigan's economy has sucked for a long time and so the previous Governor became pretty unpopular. And Snyder campaigned as a basically a non-partisan business dude yay!

    And the Democrats nominated a lame candidate. And the national trend was reflected here.

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    enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    tbloxham wrote: »
    I don't like how swiftly people have backed down over this 'Ann Romney has no idea how hard the real world is' thing. The woman is married to a multi millionaire and has never wanted for anything in her entire life. If her kids stressed her out for one second she could send them right off to a nanny, and any chore she didn't want to do someone could do for her. There's a MASSIVE difference between choosing to do something and having to do something. I think vegetable gardening is a great hobby, but I don't think it gives me any real understanding of the plight of peasant farmers in the middle ages. Why? Because I could have someone else take care of it whenever I want to, so even if I spend 8 hours weeding and doing stuff on the weekend and work literally from dawn till dusk it still isn't in the same ballpark.

    The quote is "she never worked a day in her life." Which is an obnoxious thing to say, at the very least.

    That it's become a big deal is indicative of how fucking stupid our media culture is.

    Self-righteousness is incompatible with coalition building.
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    AstaerethAstaereth In the belly of the beastRegistered User regular
    MuddBudd wrote: »
    http://youtu.be/HONqbvx7D2E

    As always, do not read the comments

    The thing that they do there, where they show clips of Obama in 2008 condemning what they are doing, that's fucking crazy. The video contains the clips that condemn the video that contains the clips that... *head explodes*

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    Boring7Boring7 Registered User regular
    tbloxham wrote: »
    I don't like how swiftly people have backed down over this 'Ann Romney has no idea how hard the real world is' thing. The woman is married to a multi millionaire and has never wanted for anything in her entire life. If her kids stressed her out for one second she could send them right off to a nanny, and any chore she didn't want to do someone could do for her. There's a MASSIVE difference between choosing to do something and having to do something. I think vegetable gardening is a great hobby, but I don't think it gives me any real understanding of the plight of peasant farmers in the middle ages. Why? Because I could have someone else take care of it whenever I want to, so even if I spend 8 hours weeding and doing stuff on the weekend and work literally from dawn till dusk it still isn't in the same ballpark.

    The quote is "she never worked a day in her life." Which is an obnoxious thing to say, at the very least.

    That it's become a big deal is indicative of how fucking stupid our media culture is.

    Thing is, if a Republican had said it about a democrat it would be accepted as true salt-of-the-earth wisdom spoken by someone with good old common sense. Not just because IOKIYAR but because it's common vernacular description for both the lazy bum and the uber-rich inheritor, which she is. Mild hyperbole does not mean a statement is false.

    Also, I like the new subject line.

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    mcdermottmcdermott Registered User regular
    edited April 2012
    tbloxham wrote: »
    I don't like how swiftly people have backed down over this 'Ann Romney has no idea how hard the real world is' thing. The woman is married to a multi millionaire and has never wanted for anything in her entire life. If her kids stressed her out for one second she could send them right off to a nanny, and any chore she didn't want to do someone could do for her. There's a MASSIVE difference between choosing to do something and having to do something. I think vegetable gardening is a great hobby, but I don't think it gives me any real understanding of the plight of peasant farmers in the middle ages. Why? Because I could have someone else take care of it whenever I want to, so even if I spend 8 hours weeding and doing stuff on the weekend and work literally from dawn till dusk it still isn't in the same ballpark.

    The quote is "she never worked a day in her life." Which is an obnoxious thing to say, at the very least.

    That it's become a big deal is indicative of how fucking stupid our media culture is.

    I believe that is the sound-bite, not the quote.

    I believe the actual quote, in context, is referring to "the economic issues American women are facing" or some such, clearly implying that she meant work outside the home.

    EDIT: So not only is it indicative how stupid our media culture is, it's also indicative of why. At least one major reason.

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    mcdermottmcdermott Registered User regular
    edited April 2012
    doh

    EDIT: @AManFromEarth But of course. Couldn't ninja fast enough... ;)

    EDIT: Looking at the timestamps, I think I was a long fucking way from "ninja."

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    AManFromEarthAManFromEarth Let's get to twerk! The King in the SwampRegistered User regular
    @McDermott

    Wrong thread?

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    enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    mcdermott wrote: »
    tbloxham wrote: »
    I don't like how swiftly people have backed down over this 'Ann Romney has no idea how hard the real world is' thing. The woman is married to a multi millionaire and has never wanted for anything in her entire life. If her kids stressed her out for one second she could send them right off to a nanny, and any chore she didn't want to do someone could do for her. There's a MASSIVE difference between choosing to do something and having to do something. I think vegetable gardening is a great hobby, but I don't think it gives me any real understanding of the plight of peasant farmers in the middle ages. Why? Because I could have someone else take care of it whenever I want to, so even if I spend 8 hours weeding and doing stuff on the weekend and work literally from dawn till dusk it still isn't in the same ballpark.

    The quote is "she never worked a day in her life." Which is an obnoxious thing to say, at the very least.

    That it's become a big deal is indicative of how fucking stupid our media culture is.

    I believe that is the sound-bite, not the quote.

    I believe the actual quote, in context, is referring to "the economic issues American women are facing" or some such, clearly implying that she meant work outside the home.

    EDIT: So not only is it indicative how stupid our media culture is, it's also indicative of why. At least one major reason.

    It's still obnoxious. Just stick to the "she's filthy fucking rich so has no idea how most women have to deal with everyday issues like keeping their children fed and healthy."

    Self-righteousness is incompatible with coalition building.
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