I kind of wish they'd just not bothered with "plot" and "characters"
because the plot didn't make sense and the characters were thinner than office paper.
It's a fun movie to watch, a reminder of what western directors could learn from eastern fight scenes (nary a shaky cam), but it could have been a whole lot better with some more attention paid to the writing.
For example
The movie is called The Raid: Redemption and
There is not a single moment of redemption. Nobody redeems themselves in this movie. The good guys are always good, the bad guys are always bad. The brother doesn't even redeem himself. He helps his brother survive, then goes right back to being an unrepentant criminal, only now without anybody outranking him.
It was just called The Raid. Then it changed for some reason upon crossing over.
alliteration plus who actually gives a fuck the plot in this movie or ong bak or tom yum goong or chocolate or bangkok knockout or raging phoenix (ugh) or or or anyway the plot is just an excuse to hit guys in cool ways
I think Greengrass was just using his filming technique that worked so well in Bloody Sunday an applying it to the Bourne franchise which was just unwise on his part.
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#pipeCocky Stride, Musky odoursPope of Chili TownRegistered Userregular
I bought the Bourne Identity on bluray a couple weeks ago
that movie was such a welcome shake up to action flicks. Here we are 10 years later and its influence is all over the place.
I think Greengrass was just using his filming technique that worked so well in Bloody Sunday an applying it to the Bourne franchise which was just unwise on his part.
wait what
the bourne sequels were fucking great
and had a great use of shaky cam
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TrippyJingMoses supposes his toeses are roses.But Moses supposes erroneously.Registered Userregular
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Alright, I watched The Raid before class.
It
was
awesome.
The only downside was that there was less than ten people in the theater, so I couldn't experience a roomful of people reacting to the more visceral parts of the movie.
but this is not even the craziest fucking thing, that's
when they stab the final opponent in the throat with a light bulb and he's squirting blood out through the broken tube and keeps on fighting until they pin him down and cut his throat with it
THE RAID IS BATSHIT INSANE
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#pipeCocky Stride, Musky odoursPope of Chili TownRegistered Userregular
I think I liked the Tonfa/Knife sequence the best.
Mostly because I love Tonfa.
but it really really bugged me when he
walked out again into the empty corridor after the scene where he hid in the wall, and completely unarmed, walked right past the weapons scattering the ground.
I think I liked the Tonfa/Knife sequence the best.
Mostly because I love Tonfa.
but it really really bugged me when he
walked out again into the empty corridor after the scene where he hid in the wall, and completely unarmed, walked right past the weapons scattering the ground.
rama don't give a FUCK
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TrippyJingMoses supposes his toeses are roses.But Moses supposes erroneously.Registered Userregular
but this is not even the craziest fucking thing, that's
when they stab the final opponent in the throat with a light bulb and he's squirting blood out through the broken tube and keeps on fighting until they pin him down and cut his throat with it
THE RAID IS BATSHIT INSANE
Yeah, I saw it earlier today.
And when I saw the scene again on YouTube, I was amazed to find out how long it felt as opposed to how long it actually was.
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ButtlordFornicusLord of Bondage and PainRegistered Userregular
yeah seriously it feels like five or ten minutes
there's just so much happening
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TrippyJingMoses supposes his toeses are roses.But Moses supposes erroneously.Registered Userregular
edited April 2012
I want a remake of Assault on Precinct 13, The Raid-style.
It'll just be The Raid set in an abandoned police station.
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ButtlordFornicusLord of Bondage and PainRegistered Userregular
get tony jaa and the guys that did the first ong bak/chocolate to do it
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i like watching muay thai more than silat
silat's cool and fast and shit
but muay thai just LOOKS fuckin brutal there is no move that doesn't look like it could kill you
I just watched an interview with the director of The Raid where he explains he took some inspiration from Carpenter because they didn't really have that many extras, so to create the effect of the team being under siege, they made heavy use of sound and gunshots from behind walls and stuff to imply a large number of attackers.
but isn't silat big on like angles of attack/defense and shit
It looks like it's more effective for close encounters. I still think Kungfu is the most versatile martial art. But Silat has this cool inner breathing technique (which Yayan "Mad Dog" Ruhian mastered) that he won't feel hurt at all though he get beaten up thousand times.
man. man. see it while it's still in theatres, if you like martial arts or tense, violent action flicks. we were one of three in our showing.
right now, i'm respecting it more than liking it -- too visceral at the moment -- but damn, it is well-made. good pacing, action, acting, music, and a perfectly serviceable plot with some clever moments. just... unrelentingly brutal, mostly (...mostly) realistic violence.
there were so many moments when our theater would all YOOOOO together and laugh and things. A big YOOO that everyone did together that hasn't been mentioned yet is when
he kicks a bad dude of one floor down the well to the next floor and the dude lands on his back on the ledge and just snaps. such a fucking crunch
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It was just called The Raid. Then it changed for some reason upon crossing over.
ah okay
that ain't shaky cam though, that's director's trying to cheat because they don't know how to choreograph a fight
that's a michael bay thing
look at how greengrass directed the second and third Bourne movies using nothing BUT shakycam
Ok fine so call it The Raid: Untouchable
or The Raid: Machete Paradise
or The Raid: Fridge Bomb
or anything else that makes sense.
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quick cut after quick cut after quick cut
shaky cam
all three of these are things used to make action scenes seem visceral
two of them by jerks who don't know how to direct an action sequence
he's pretty much the only person who should be allowed to do shaky cam ever
speaking of which, saw a trailer for the new bourne movie with this
it doesn't look NEARLY as good as supremacy/ultimatum but it has jeremy renner punchin guys and blowing things up so that's ok
Ok, who are you blaming exactly?
alliteration plus who actually gives a fuck the plot in this movie or ong bak or tom yum goong or chocolate or bangkok knockout or raging phoenix (ugh) or or or anyway the plot is just an excuse to hit guys in cool ways
that movie was such a welcome shake up to action flicks. Here we are 10 years later and its influence is all over the place.
Need some stuff designed or printed? I can help with that.
nope this is not true at all
as for quick cuts, he made use of them some but i'm talking like
the fight scene in the club in dark knight
which has all three of the things i listed being used at their absolute worst
god that scene was so shitty
wait what
the bourne sequels were fucking great
and had a great use of shaky cam
It
was
awesome.
The only downside was that there was less than ten people in the theater, so I couldn't experience a roomful of people reacting to the more visceral parts of the movie.
But it does make sense!
holy shit
this felt WAY LONGER when it happened
but this is not even the craziest fucking thing, that's
THE RAID IS BATSHIT INSANE
Mostly because I love Tonfa.
but it really really bugged me when he
Need some stuff designed or printed? I can help with that.
rama don't give a FUCK
Yeah, I saw it earlier today.
And when I saw the scene again on YouTube, I was amazed to find out how long it felt as opposed to how long it actually was.
there's just so much happening
It'll just be The Raid set in an abandoned police station.
silat's cool and fast and shit
but muay thai just LOOKS fuckin brutal there is no move that doesn't look like it could kill you
What a great movie
I just watched an interview with the director of The Raid where he explains he took some inspiration from Carpenter because they didn't really have that many extras, so to create the effect of the team being under siege, they made heavy use of sound and gunshots from behind walls and stuff to imply a large number of attackers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMnJcJCux9k
Luckily, The Raid has a lot of knives. Perfect for silat.
but isn't silat big on like angles of attack/defense and shit
and assuming that you're Really Fucked
because yeah that lends itself way better to a movie with a bunch of knives that muay thai would
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weapons_of_silat
As remakes of 'Assault On Precinct 13' go, French remake 'The Nest' is pretty decent.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdu6lJijjx0
But the Carpenter version is still the superior version.
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It looks like it's more effective for close encounters. I still think Kungfu is the most versatile martial art. But Silat has this cool inner breathing technique (which Yayan "Mad Dog" Ruhian mastered) that he won't feel hurt at all though he get beaten up thousand times.
http://z13.invisionfree.com/TheRaidFansZone
right now, i'm respecting it more than liking it -- too visceral at the moment -- but damn, it is well-made. good pacing, action, acting, music, and a perfectly serviceable plot with some clever moments. just... unrelentingly brutal, mostly (...mostly) realistic violence.
FUCK
how
seriously that is just ridiculous, it feels like at least 10