TL;DR: Can I say that Cameron Davis deserves no measure of success? Or would that be the same as when I said that Rich Burlew deserved no measure of success?
Saying someone doesn't "deserve" something is a pretty deep rabbit hole to go down.
The only person in the webcrumblics business who definitely deserves vitriol on that scale is Ryan Sohmer. And maybe Tim Buckley.
Yeah, I'd say it's better just to pity Davis for his lack of any drive to improve himself as an actual artist, which I feel is evidenced simply by how his comics have looked exactly the same for years and years on end. Unless it's all some giant Andy Kaufman-esque super troll on his part, which part of me kinda hopes for.
Firman, I'm actually kind of curious as to what you think about that big, long, rambling thing I wrote.
(Also, Kochikens, since she basically pointed out that I kept doing things like that, but I don't wanna bug her.)
Maybe it's the hour. I tried to write stuff but it keeps coming out as incomprehensible rambling. You can check the spoiler but I recommend not because it's boring.
The spot I came to in similar musings is that it is only fair for me to say "I'm not into that". I don't hate artists anymore, I don't resent budgets or sales. Well, I might start to, but I check the behaviour. I like that different types of art can find different audiences to support it, even if I'm struggling personally. It is a sign of good times that wildly different styles can each succeed. And if one can't succeed, that's too bad. Maybe it needs promotional help, or maybe it is dismal, but I respect that someone tried or is trying.
I'm speaking pretty generally, so I'll probably fail to address something you wanted to specifically hear.
My parents brag about my comic to their friends often and I get input sometimes from different generations and demographics. Who LOVE shit like Family Circus. If they see something drawn that they've seen happen in a household, that is the pinnacle of hilarity to them. I can't get mad at that. I used to, but now, eh. People have comedy tastes, just like they have music tastes, and I've learned very fast not to expect people to like rap either.
Getting into art talk always gets abstract and confusing for me.
That wasn't boring or incomprehensible, and it was pretty interesting, so thanks!
I guess the big thing for me is just finding a way to divorce my definition of Bad Webcomics from the concept of Being Unworthy of Success.
I mean, funnywebcomic is a rancid, bloated corpse on the side of the Internet superhighway, but I guess that doesn't necessarily mean that Davis doesn't deserve to make some money off it.
I think?
I dunno, that seems like a middle of the road response, but I'm a little afraid that I might have swung too far in the other direction, or that I'm falling into another logical fallacy to avoid a previous one.
TL;DR: Can I say that Cameron Davis deserves no measure of success? Or would that be the same as when I said that Rich Burlew deserved no measure of success?
Saying someone doesn't "deserve" something is a pretty deep rabbit hole to go down.
The only person in the webcrumblics business who definitely deserves vitriol on that scale is Ryan Sohmer. And maybe Tim Buckley.
The problem here is that what one "Deserves" is a very subjective matter.
I mean, sure, people like Buckley have made a lot of money off of an awful work, but he's maintained the comic consistently, and reliably, for years. If people are giving him money for it because they enjoy it, then that's money earned, fair and square. Saying they don't deserve it is saying "that a guy with a successful business model doesn't deserve his money because he is an awful person and I hate what he does."
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Ultimately I think it's kind of cool that webcomics can be successful with as much variation as they have. I mean I'm pretty sure stuff like CAD is only so successful because it's reliably updated, and pretty constantly too. But then there is stuff like Dresdan Kodak which updates once in whenever and still gets the dude a pretty consistent fanbase.
I mean as much as hate a lot of that crap out there I dunno if I've ever resented any of it.
I won't pass judgment on someone who isn't funny or skilled at drawing.
I sure as heck will pass judgment on someone who's lazy. That person does not deserve money for their work. Of course, we don't live on a planet called Deserve
or something
That said, I can't really determine if someone's actually trying or not. I remember what it was like to write bad comedy, and I really had no way of knowing I was doing bad things with words.
I put Sohmer in a different category of "Is it okay to be morally offensive with art," which I don't have a concrete opinion on. (I do have a strong opinion on the morality of using one's influence to manipulate fans towards your own socio-political beliefs, among other things.)
I just hate lazy writing/art, mostly because I work my butt off, then I see someone who spent 10 minutes on their art and writing combined. Of course, for those who aren't already institutionalized or just lucked up somehow, being crappy doesn't get them anywhere, anymore. So that's pretty indicative of proper popularity accrual.
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Yeah, I'd say it's better just to pity Davis for his lack of any drive to improve himself as an actual artist, which I feel is evidenced simply by how his comics have looked exactly the same for years and years on end. Unless it's all some giant Andy Kaufman-esque super troll on his part, which part of me kinda hopes for.
Well have you ever stopped to consider it from the forum's point of view? Do you want it to just starve itself for your convenience?
yes I do
(Also, Kochikens, since she basically pointed out that I kept doing things like that, but I don't wanna bug her.)
I have not seen this movie, you should explain your position further
I'm speaking pretty generally, so I'll probably fail to address something you wanted to specifically hear.
My parents brag about my comic to their friends often and I get input sometimes from different generations and demographics. Who LOVE shit like Family Circus. If they see something drawn that they've seen happen in a household, that is the pinnacle of hilarity to them. I can't get mad at that. I used to, but now, eh. People have comedy tastes, just like they have music tastes, and I've learned very fast not to expect people to like rap either.
Getting into art talk always gets abstract and confusing for me.
To make up for it here is another old comic:
I guess the big thing for me is just finding a way to divorce my definition of Bad Webcomics from the concept of Being Unworthy of Success.
I mean, funnywebcomic is a rancid, bloated corpse on the side of the Internet superhighway, but I guess that doesn't necessarily mean that Davis doesn't deserve to make some money off it.
I think?
I dunno, that seems like a middle of the road response, but I'm a little afraid that I might have swung too far in the other direction, or that I'm falling into another logical fallacy to avoid a previous one.
It does divert to Gremlins though, which is almost as grievous and terrible.
Came across both of these while trying to find a webcomic talking about can and bottle recycling.
neat art, a bit nsfw though
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that's bullshit
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The problem here is that what one "Deserves" is a very subjective matter.
I mean, sure, people like Buckley have made a lot of money off of an awful work, but he's maintained the comic consistently, and reliably, for years. If people are giving him money for it because they enjoy it, then that's money earned, fair and square. Saying they don't deserve it is saying "that a guy with a successful business model doesn't deserve his money because he is an awful person and I hate what he does."
It does not work that way, nor should it.
I mean as much as hate a lot of that crap out there I dunno if I've ever resented any of it.
I sure as heck will pass judgment on someone who's lazy. That person does not deserve money for their work. Of course, we don't live on a planet called Deserve
or something
That said, I can't really determine if someone's actually trying or not. I remember what it was like to write bad comedy, and I really had no way of knowing I was doing bad things with words.
You are a judger, Ronnie.
You are a cruel and ruthless judgernaut.
I read that somewhere.
In a pamphlet for a dick measuring contest, I think.
that's a choice people make and i feel it is acceptable to criticize them for it
of course, cameron davis probably doesn't know his work is shit, but ryan sohmer probably doesn't know that he is hitler's gibbering arsehole
I just hate lazy writing/art, mostly because I work my butt off, then I see someone who spent 10 minutes on their art and writing combined. Of course, for those who aren't already institutionalized or just lucked up somehow, being crappy doesn't get them anywhere, anymore. So that's pretty indicative of proper popularity accrual.
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Nothing so pedestrian.
Beasteh is going to spit some his soul into my mouth and I am going to swish it around like a fine wine.
Which one is this for? And where do people go to comment on your stuff? Apart from here.
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