[PATV] Wednesday, May 2, 2012 - Extra Credits Season 4, Ep. 12: ARGs (part 1)

Geth · May 2012

Extra Credits Season 4, Ep. 12: ARGs (part 1)
http://penny-arcade.com/patv/episode/args-part-1

This week, we begin a two-part discussion on ARGs, starting with Alternate Reality Games.

Come discuss this topic in the forums!

facetious · May 2012

This is awesome. Can't wait for part 2!

teknoarcanist · May 2012

I've never been able to get into the idea of designing an ARG. There seems to be this huge content problem -- in that, you have one of two options:
1) Live "actors" creating and corresponding with players in realtime
2) A "trail of breadcrumbs" approach which, when built out and actually written into a story, almost always turns into a scenario where someone else did all the interesting stuff first, and you're just trying to piece together their journals on it or some nonsense.
One is way too resource-intensive, and kills the game's ability to last into the future, and the other is just boring. And if the game does the breadcrumb thing but responds to players' discoveries over the course of the game, it can actually sabotage itself, such that no one will ever be able to play the game from start to finish again, because all the TOP SECRET .wav files or whatever have already been unlocked.
Just my opinion, but in my mind, I can't think of ARG's as anything more than this weird little design dead-end. They don't have the focus or framing devices of a good puzzle game, they don't have the experimentation and reward of a good adventure game, so in the end, the best you're going to get is a scaled-up version of those little elementary school internet scavenger hunts, but with really good voice acting and edgy web design.
And the "obtuse" puzzles the video is praising for uniting players, I see as completely god awful and unforgivable. They're the biggest hurdle for me in why I can't give ARG's the time of day. An obtuse puzzle is one where the designer completely forgot about the fact that someone would actually have to play this shit, and just made a puzzle he thought was terribly clever. It's like someone asking you a riddle, but in a foreign language, and whispering the riddle really quickly from twelve feet away so you have absolutely nothing to go on.

KoopahTroopah · May 2012

Surprised they didn't include The Dark Knight ARG. I actually participated in that, the Portal, and the Year Zero ones. Incredibly gripping stuff.

Framling · May 2012

I think the first ARG I ever heard about was the Beast, which Wikipedia says is the first one. My involvement went something like this:

Heard about it on The ScreenSavers.
Read stuff that had been figured out so far.
Determined that, as cool as the whole thing was, it was growing faster than I would ever be able to keep up.

And thus I determined that ARGs, while totally awesome, were Not For Me.

Opty · May 2012

teknoarcanist wrote: »

I've never been able to get into the idea of designing an ARG. There seems to be this huge content problem -- in that, you have one of two options:
1) Live "actors" creating and corresponding with players in realtime
2) A "trail of breadcrumbs" approach which, when built out and actually written into a story, almost always turns into a scenario where someone else did all the interesting stuff first, and you're just trying to piece together their journals on it or some nonsense.
One is way too resource-intensive, and kills the game's ability to last into the future, and the other is just boring. And if the game does the breadcrumb thing but responds to players' discoveries over the course of the game, it can actually sabotage itself, such that no one will ever be able to play the game from start to finish again, because all the TOP SECRET .wav files or whatever have already been unlocked.
Just my opinion, but in my mind, I can't think of ARG's as anything more than this weird little design dead-end. They don't have the focus or framing devices of a good puzzle game, they don't have the experimentation and reward of a good adventure game, so in the end, the best you're going to get is a scaled-up version of those little elementary school internet scavenger hunts, but with really good voice acting and edgy web design.
And the "obtuse" puzzles the video is praising for uniting players, I see as completely god awful and unforgivable. They're the biggest hurdle for me in why I can't give ARG's the time of day. An obtuse puzzle is one where the designer completely forgot about the fact that someone would actually have to play this shit, and just made a puzzle he thought was terribly clever. It's like someone asking you a riddle, but in a foreign language, and whispering the riddle really quickly from twelve feet away so you have absolutely nothing to go on.

ARGs aren't meant to be replayed, so expecting as much from them means you're starting off on the wrong foot. Also expecting to be a one-man army and be able to solve everything yourself is again not how they're designed. Basically you're complaining that you want this bagel to be a donut and it's bad because it's not one.

Zachary Amaranth · May 2012

I absolutely love ARGs, though I've participated in a few where they utterly failed to deliver on time. That's disappointing.

GlyphGryph · May 2012

Do the smaller games like HvZ and Assassin still count as ARGs? They aren't the website puzzle style described here, but they do mention them, and they seem to fit the concept of an Alternate Reality game - one played over the real world. For those who aren't a fan of internet-based ARGs, they provide for a much more personal experience, and plenty of variants have puzzle stuff that is more competitive (and thus individual-oriented).

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