Azula is a fantastic villain. Every single victory of hers in the first two seasons is believable. She's calculating, manipulative and cold, yet knows that leading people isn't just about scaring them but also about encouraging them as well. She puts Ozai to pitiful shame.
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I agree with Cilla a little
They can't seem to decide what they want to do with Azula. There are bits where she's genuinely sociopathic and very evil, but then you get hints of her being a whole person, albeit very misguided, like in The Beach. She has some twists and quirks to her personality, she's a perfectionist and extremely strong-willed.
They also really waffled on her motivation. It seems like she's wholly self-motivated, then she's extremely loyal to Ozai, enough so that it crushes her when he leaves.
If they were going to make her a genuine sociopath, I wish they'd have done what I thought they were going to do: have her kill Ozai at some point in Book 3 and take over as Big Bad.
I don't wanna kill anybody. I don't like bullies. I don't care where they're from.
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Well to be fair,
the loyalty to ozai thing came after her "friends" turned on her. They were pretty much her entire support structure and without it she had nothing so she latched onto dad
plus she was like 14 right?
Also she could have never killed ozai because he was way the hell stronger than she was
I guess I just found it hard to sympathize with azula
after she got chained up I was all "gee that sucks but she was batshit loco so I don't really care"
and I mean it's not like she wasn't raised by at least one loving parent (until her mother killed the old fire lord and ran away) she was just broken in the head
See, I got the strong impression that Ursa devoted much more time to Zuko than Azula, and it was Azula's resentment of her mother that fueled her paranoia.
I think Ursa bears some blame for how Azula turned out. You can say she had to focus on Zuko since Ozai despised him, but Azula's assertion that her mother thought she was a monster didn't come out of nowhere.
I think it came from
azula being a monster
This isn't really expanded upon. It's sort of the chicken or the egg situation, because we don't know if Azula became... off because her mother favored Zuko or if her mother favored Zuko because she was... off. If we want to go the sympathetic route, it could be that her skill in firebending caused her shit crazy father to devote more time into training her to be crazy, and her mother becoming distant because of the exacerbated the situation. If we want to go the sociopath route, it was because she's a sociopath.
Plausible. Being taught early on to be a daddy's girl when your dad is Ozai is going to screw you up mentally. Assuming she was a little off from the beginning Ozai's influence only increased her sociopathic or psychopathic traits. Another reason the mother didn't get close to her is that Ozai might have kept her under his wing and she was free to help Zuko because his father might have thought he was "weak" for not being a Firebending prodigy.
They can't seem to decide what they want to do with Azula. There are bits where she's genuinely sociopathic and very evil, but then you get hints of her being a whole person, albeit very misguided, like in The Beach. She has some twists and quirks to her personality, she's a perfectionist and extremely strong-willed.
They also really waffled on her motivation. It seems like she's wholly self-motivated, then she's extremely loyal to Ozai, enough so that it crushes her when he leaves.
If they were going to make her a genuine sociopath, I wish they'd have done what I thought they were going to do: have her kill Ozai at some point in Book 3 and take over as Big Bad.
Azula's set up was perfect, and I really think all the things they were trying to do with her during Sozin's Comet would have made much more sense if they'd spent more time developing her situation.
My best guess is the never intended for her to be a true sociopath, but that she got fucked up at a young age by her crazy ass father who focused on her because of her bending talents. The behavior taught her by Ozai scared away her mother, who had a more agreeable child to look after, which did its own damage.
I'd have expected to have seen a flashback episode where we're really given an idea of what Ozai training her was like and the damage it caused, which would have developed the man himself more at the same time as bringing some light into Azula's situation.
I'm not sure how I'd feel about Azula taking any place in Korra at all in flashbacks or whatever. She got her time in TLA. Maybe just like an offhand mention.
she was just crazy with a goal and a fun girl support system
and then her support system betrayed her and she got her goal way before she expected
and then it's just the crazy left
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KwoaruConfident SmirkFlawless Golden PecsRegistered Userregular
She and Ozai really don't have anything to add to Korra, the conflict in republic city is pretty separate from them (aside from republic city being the fire nation colonies turned into an urban center)
she was just crazy with a goal and a fun girl support system
and then her support system betrayed her and she got her goal way before she expected
and then it's just the crazy left
This doesn't really play though
She was always crazy, yeah, but there are a bunch of different kinds of crazy, and the kind she's presented as early on in the series isn't the same kind as later. Losing your friends doesn't change a sociopath into whatever you'd classify her as during Sozin's comet.
I love the character, but her development in Sozin's comet comes from nowhere and makes little sense considering what she'd been before.
she was just crazy with a goal and a fun girl support system
and then her support system betrayed her and she got her goal way before she expected
and then it's just the crazy left
This doesn't really play though
She was always crazy, yeah, but there are a bunch of different kinds of crazy, and the kind she's presented as early on in the series isn't the same kind as later. Losing your friends doesn't change a sociopath into whatever you'd classify her as during Sozin's comet.
I love the character, but her development in Sozin's comet comes from nowhere and makes little sense considering what she'd been before.
we'd never seen her alone before, though
we'd only ever seen azula the manipulator. azula the networker/leader, azula the driven
and suddenly she has no one to manipulate, no one to network/lead, and she has no goal left
and all that scheming and brilliance that runs all the time has nowhere to go and, coupled with the betrayal by ty lee and mai, turns to paranoia against the people closest to her
and she sheds them and sheds them and like the serpent she so utterly is she devours herself
stay outta here BFL and bugboy whole avatar series spoilers in here
she's brought into the series with a guy saying that it is too dangerous to bring a ship in to shore
and she goes off on this speech about how you damn well better defy the tides and the rocks or I'll kill you or whatever
and I guess it was supposed to set her tone
but all I could think was man
this girl is a dope
she's gonna get this ship sunk
but no it was a thing they kept going with, this hyper-competent twelve year old girl that succeeds at everything and everyone is terrified of her and she always wins and jeez show if you love azula so much why don't you marry her
and then in the end she just starts to get interesting and then BAM SERIES OVER
she was just crazy with a goal and a fun girl support system
and then her support system betrayed her and she got her goal way before she expected
and then it's just the crazy left
This doesn't really play though
She was always crazy, yeah, but there are a bunch of different kinds of crazy, and the kind she's presented as early on in the series isn't the same kind as later. Losing your friends doesn't change a sociopath into whatever you'd classify her as during Sozin's comet.
I love the character, but her development in Sozin's comet comes from nowhere and makes little sense considering what she'd been before.
we'd never seen her alone before, though
we'd only ever seen azula the manipulator. azula the networker/leader, azula the driven
and suddenly she has no one to manipulate, no one to network/lead, and she has no goal left
and all that scheming and brilliance that runs all the time has nowhere to go and, coupled with the betrayal by ty lee and mai, turns to paranoia against the people closest to her
and she sheds them and sheds them and like the serpent she so utterly is she devours herself
Which makes sense and all when you spell it out like that, but you're walking through the various stages. The show didn't. It didn't spell out much of anything except her two friends betrayed her and oh now she's madly cutting off strands of her own hair. No decline. Just straight from one to the other. It was kind of sloppy is all I'm saying. I can understand why they didn't have the funds or whatever to devote more time to it, but that doesn't change what it is.
she was just crazy with a goal and a fun girl support system
and then her support system betrayed her and she got her goal way before she expected
and then it's just the crazy left
This doesn't really play though
She was always crazy, yeah, but there are a bunch of different kinds of crazy, and the kind she's presented as early on in the series isn't the same kind as later. Losing your friends doesn't change a sociopath into whatever you'd classify her as during Sozin's comet.
I love the character, but her development in Sozin's comet comes from nowhere and makes little sense considering what she'd been before.
we'd never seen her alone before, though
we'd only ever seen azula the manipulator. azula the networker/leader, azula the driven
and suddenly she has no one to manipulate, no one to network/lead, and she has no goal left
and all that scheming and brilliance that runs all the time has nowhere to go and, coupled with the betrayal by ty lee and mai, turns to paranoia against the people closest to her
and she sheds them and sheds them and like the serpent she so utterly is she devours herself
Which makes sense and all when you spell it out like that, but you're walking through the various stages. The show didn't. It didn't spell out much of anything except her two friends betrayed her and oh now she's madly cutting off strands of her own hair. No decline. Just straight from one to the other. It was kind of sloppy is all I'm saying. I can understand why they didn't have the funds or whatever to devote more time to it, but that doesn't change what it is.
she literally said "they would have just betrayed me in the end. just like may and ty lee"
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Binary SquidWe all make choicesRegistered Userregular
but I can very easily how benders get promoted and such simply because they're the only ones with work experience, because nonbenders aren't hired for those jobs because of how inefficient they are
Yes, and no. Eventually some of those Earthbenders are going to own their own company. (Or any other benders for that matter.) And when that happens, and they have a workforce of benders, who should manage them? A bender who understands what it's like to be a bender, or a non bender who has never bended a day in their life.
You'd say it shouldn't matter, and you'd be right, but it doesn't even have to be that widespread. Once benders get the idea that non benders are somehow less than them, it becomes justified to treat non benders like that.
"What, I'm not discriminating, everyone knows that non benders aren't good at managing benders. They don't understand what we go through. It's just how it is."
With the most recognized and revered figure being the Avatar, it wouldn't be that hard for someone with bending ability to convince themselves that because they share some bending skill with the Avatar that benders are somehow wiser or more qualified to run the world than non benders.
Sort of an "I'm more Avatar-like" than they are argument.
Even if a difference is genuinely a physical one that causes one group to effectively control a society, that society should strive continuously to accomidate every member without making them feel that they are the lesser partners. If Republic City, and maybe the greater Avatar world in general wants to do something about the problem, they need to address the issues involved. Just yelling "deal with it" over and over will do nothing to actually address how those people feel.
Sparky-sparky boom man wasn't even a villain. He was a force of nature on two legs, with no more character development than a tornado the characters have to face and get around.
Argh, so I wanted to watch the latest Korra episode again, because it's awesome and I really needed to see the last third with the action again. Watching it on Nick.com is working great, until I get to the third segment and it tells me that this video is not available in my region. Seriously what the heck? You put a different region code on part 3 compared to parts 1 and 2? Not cool.
she was just crazy with a goal and a fun girl support system
and then her support system betrayed her and she got her goal way before she expected
and then it's just the crazy left
This doesn't really play though
She was always crazy, yeah, but there are a bunch of different kinds of crazy, and the kind she's presented as early on in the series isn't the same kind as later. Losing your friends doesn't change a sociopath into whatever you'd classify her as during Sozin's comet.
I love the character, but her development in Sozin's comet comes from nowhere and makes little sense considering what she'd been before.
we'd never seen her alone before, though
we'd only ever seen azula the manipulator. azula the networker/leader, azula the driven
and suddenly she has no one to manipulate, no one to network/lead, and she has no goal left
and all that scheming and brilliance that runs all the time has nowhere to go and, coupled with the betrayal by ty lee and mai, turns to paranoia against the people closest to her
and she sheds them and sheds them and like the serpent she so utterly is she devours herself
Which makes sense and all when you spell it out like that, but you're walking through the various stages. The show didn't. It didn't spell out much of anything except her two friends betrayed her and oh now she's madly cutting off strands of her own hair. No decline. Just straight from one to the other. It was kind of sloppy is all I'm saying. I can understand why they didn't have the funds or whatever to devote more time to it, but that doesn't change what it is.
she literally said "they would have just betrayed me in the end. just like may and ty lee"
A single line to justify a near polar shift in character. Nah. It was a rush job skull man, a sloppy sloppy rush job.
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They also really waffled on her motivation. It seems like she's wholly self-motivated, then she's extremely loyal to Ozai, enough so that it crushes her when he leaves.
If they were going to make her a genuine sociopath, I wish they'd have done what I thought they were going to do: have her kill Ozai at some point in Book 3 and take over as Big Bad.
is there a villain version of a mary sue
plus she was like 14 right?
Also she could have never killed ozai because he was way the hell stronger than she was
after all the screen time azula gets, one would expect her to take over as the main baddie at the end of the series
not this ozai character nobody gives a fuck about
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My best guess is the never intended for her to be a true sociopath, but that she got fucked up at a young age by her crazy ass father who focused on her because of her bending talents. The behavior taught her by Ozai scared away her mother, who had a more agreeable child to look after, which did its own damage.
I'd have expected to have seen a flashback episode where we're really given an idea of what Ozai training her was like and the damage it caused, which would have developed the man himself more at the same time as bringing some light into Azula's situation.
the entire episode is supposed to be funny dum dum
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But I know it
and you know it
who says she still hasn't? </tinfoilhat>
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I mean, totally sociopathic, manipulative as shit, and brilliant, yes. But she was totally in control until
well, you know. I won't go into it in case anyone not versed with book 3 reads this.
she was just crazy with a goal and a fun girl support system
and then her support system betrayed her and she got her goal way before she expected
and then it's just the crazy left
she's a terrible person
what she is is a great villain
funny, competent, and with a good motivation
This doesn't really play though
I love the character, but her development in Sozin's comet comes from nowhere and makes little sense considering what she'd been before.
we'd only ever seen azula the manipulator. azula the networker/leader, azula the driven
and suddenly she has no one to manipulate, no one to network/lead, and she has no goal left
and all that scheming and brilliance that runs all the time has nowhere to go and, coupled with the betrayal by ty lee and mai, turns to paranoia against the people closest to her
and she sheds them and sheds them and like the serpent she so utterly is she devours herself
and she goes off on this speech about how you damn well better defy the tides and the rocks or I'll kill you or whatever
and I guess it was supposed to set her tone
but all I could think was man
this girl is a dope
she's gonna get this ship sunk
but no it was a thing they kept going with, this hyper-competent twelve year old girl that succeeds at everything and everyone is terrified of her and she always wins and jeez show if you love azula so much why don't you marry her
and then in the end she just starts to get interesting and then BAM SERIES OVER
or rather she was right about the captain
the captain was afraid of her
fear is something she understands
love? nope
sparky-sparky boom man
Hercules?
More like
Yes, and no. Eventually some of those Earthbenders are going to own their own company. (Or any other benders for that matter.) And when that happens, and they have a workforce of benders, who should manage them? A bender who understands what it's like to be a bender, or a non bender who has never bended a day in their life.
You'd say it shouldn't matter, and you'd be right, but it doesn't even have to be that widespread. Once benders get the idea that non benders are somehow less than them, it becomes justified to treat non benders like that.
"What, I'm not discriminating, everyone knows that non benders aren't good at managing benders. They don't understand what we go through. It's just how it is."
With the most recognized and revered figure being the Avatar, it wouldn't be that hard for someone with bending ability to convince themselves that because they share some bending skill with the Avatar that benders are somehow wiser or more qualified to run the world than non benders.
Sort of an "I'm more Avatar-like" than they are argument.
Even if a difference is genuinely a physical one that causes one group to effectively control a society, that society should strive continuously to accomidate every member without making them feel that they are the lesser partners. If Republic City, and maybe the greater Avatar world in general wants to do something about the problem, they need to address the issues involved. Just yelling "deal with it" over and over will do nothing to actually address how those people feel.
Now I am sad.
the crackling sound of his charge ups never gets old
fuck combustion man