Life Steal, just in general, scales with level. As you deal more damage, your percentage of health stolen increases as well. Gems are important, too. Amethysts, when embedded in weapons, grant life on hits. The Radiant Star Amethysts grant 600 HP every swing. I plan on using the hell out of those, too. Monks can regenerate so quickly, it's really ridiculous, lol. Between Mantra of Healing, Transcendence, Breath of Heaven, Amethysts, etc, we're talking about upwards of 10,000 HP per second on some builds.
I'm possibly an idiot as I played the beta weekend w/I noticing, but is there any sort of run/sprint in D3? I didn't notice a need as badly as in D1 or 2, but it would still be nice.
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I feel like it's less about needing to put in a 'run' option and more about not needing a 'walk' option.
So I just reinstalled d2 and I have a game set up. Title will be penny arcade and password will be standard PA password. Which is wang is you dont already know
I'm possibly an idiot as I played the beta weekend w/I noticing, but is there any sort of run/sprint in D3? I didn't notice a need as badly as in D1 or 2, but it would still be nice.
Diablo 2 had a run, so im not sure I know what you are referring to.
Probably it's the fact 3 removed stupid stamina so he may be thinking there isn't 2 speeds and the one we have isn't as fast it could be if we did have a stamina bar. Or something...
D3 has no slow speed (outside of debuffs I guess), an improvement.
This talk about numbers made me go play with the Skill Builder. I've got my monk build down for Inferno, I think. Very defensive while still being strong offensively.
Infused With Light on Breath of Heaven allows me to generate a lot of Spirit fairly quickly, and none of my abilities cost much to cast. If you've got Eye of the Storm on Cyclone Strike, the damage-to-spirit ratio is actually pretty respectable (comparative to Wave of Light, and much more versatile). Cyclone Strike ends up being the bread-and-butter of the build, basically; clumps up enemies and burns them down with consistent AoE damage.
Crippling Wave, along with Concussion, and the passive ability Resolve, makes for a pretty potent source of damage reduction. Defenses are further bolstered by ... pretty much everything in the build. I'm especially fond of Transcendence right now, to be honest. I wasn't always, but it's absolutely grown on me over the past few weeks. As long as you're constantly spending spirit, you'll be constantly regenerating HP (and this is on top of Mantra of Healing). Every time I hit Cyclone Strike at level 60 (which will be constantly), I'll be regenerating 1800+ HP.
Seems solid to me, but I'm anxious to put it through its paces.
This game needs to come out like, right now.
[edit] I plan on using a Shield, by the way, which is why this build lacks Guardian's Path.
I like it.
Like someone else was implying, I'm a bit shy about just flat-out healing since we don't know the scaling of player HP and the skills, but I had a hard time considering several of those abilities myself, particularly the spirit->health passive. I wanted an ally for A) spirit generation and someone else to get dickpunched, so you may consider that.
With the number of +spirit abilities I have, I'm considering picking up that passive that heals on spirit instead of.. I dunno which one
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Probably it's the fact 3 removed stupid stamina so he may be thinking there isn't 2 speeds and the one we have isn't as fast it could be if we did have a stamina bar. Or something...
D3 has no slow speed (outside of debuffs I guess), an improvement.
D3's run speed is considerably slower than D2's. It's just one of the ways they decided early on to control the pace of the game.
Life Steal, just in general, scales with level. As you deal more damage, your percentage of health stolen increases as well. Gems are important, too. Amethysts, when embedded in weapons, grant life on hits. The Radiant Star Amethysts grant 600 HP every swing. I plan on using the hell out of those, too. Monks can regenerate so quickly, it's really ridiculous, lol. Between Mantra of Healing, Transcendence, Breath of Heaven, Amethysts, etc, we're talking about upwards of 10,000 HP per second on some builds.
In fairness every stat scales with level. Criticals, attack speed, and damage all scale with each other. Lifesteal scales with both offensive and defensive stats though.
Healing can still scale if you've got great defenses; if your effective health is better through damage reduction then your heals are more efficient.
The only reason you'd need bonuses to healing really is if you needed to heal other people. Are all heals AoE in this game? I'm only familiar with Breath of Heaven and (probably AoE) healing aura. Does seem like a missed opportunity... but I imagine healing will still be viable with the right build choices, or with an allied tankarian.
I'm possibly an idiot as I played the beta weekend w/I noticing, but is there any sort of run/sprint in D3? I didn't notice a need as badly as in D1 or 2, but it would still be nice.
Diablo 2 had a run, so im not sure I know what you are referring to.
Sorry, bit vague on my part. 2 had run, but the walk speed was so slow that it was basically a necessity, which I never felt during my limited time with 3 (to the point where I didn't even think to find out if it existed until after the beta was over). Just a curiosity, thanks for the answers.
Also probably on my mind because I'm doing a Borderlands replay, and travel time is incredibly annoying on occasion.
We die... we have encounters in the Inferno mode, where we will die a dozen times trying to take a rare down. And I mean, that rare, not only do they have a host of different abilities that we don’t even have earlier in the game -- things like the ability to create walls in front of me and enemies; the ability to do all different kinds of spells and effects that control area around the player and dish out damage.
Just being able to make creatures that are faster than the player, which you don’t really see in the earlier difficulties very often -- we can make any kind of common creature faster. And you take all that, and we also have enraged timers, where if you don’t kill the monsters in a certain amount of time, they enrage and then they do massive damage.
Probably it's the fact 3 removed stupid stamina so he may be thinking there isn't 2 speeds and the one we have isn't as fast it could be if we did have a stamina bar. Or something...
D3 has no slow speed (outside of debuffs I guess), an improvement.
D3's run speed is considerably slower than D2's. It's just one of the ways they decided early on to control the pace of the game.
Yet the pacing feels way better, so props to them.
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Oh man enrage timers in d2 sounds fucking awesome actually
having a life leech back and forth battle with a group of uniques or whatever, that was boring
Doesn't that solve the hypothetical problem people were having with seeing a rare, then running away from it while you change skills? Sounds like a good thing.
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yeah in this setting it seems like something that could work really well
Probably it's the fact 3 removed stupid stamina so he may be thinking there isn't 2 speeds and the one we have isn't as fast it could be if we did have a stamina bar. Or something...
D3 has no slow speed (outside of debuffs I guess), an improvement.
Diablo 3 does have a walk option IIRC, its just a toggle bound to some key you'll never hit in case you feel like ambling around all slow-like. I think. Now I'm beginning to doubt myself.
Oh man enrage timers in d2 sounds fucking awesome actually
having a life leech back and forth battle with a group of uniques or whatever, that was boring
It does seem quite cool. I hope they're a little less hard enrages like WoW (Don't make it in time? Instantly 500% more damage and 500% more speed, and 500 more...). Defensive, outlasting characters shouldn't be too heavily punished compared to an evasive glass cannon. Something more gradual would would be nice.
People were saying that damage meters would be pointless and a silly thing in Diablo 3 but with enrage timers; one's group DPS might be of some concern...
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i feel like diablo has always been about dealing damage, so i'm glad enrages are there to keep that focus
I'm fine with enrages that force people to engage, not a big fan if they're used like in WoW as an actual hurdle.
They should be used as a way of controlling player behavior, not as a challenge to be met.
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but enrages in wow are used to guide player behavior
so that you don't overstack on healers to make fights negligibly difficult, but very slow and boring
and most enrages aren't a challenge in themselves, they're a challenge because other mechanics hinder your dps (which therefore requires mastery of a fight's mechanics to down a boss)
I'm happy to wait and see how enrage timers affect the gameplay before I declare it either way. I think I'll prefer it to the same old Diablo formula, but I'll wait and see.
Yeah, we need more details. It sounds like it's inferno only and not every boss, so it's just a hard affix like anything else they could have. Maybe. We need all the details of the game already, damnit!
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I never thought enrage timers were terrible in WoW, but I feel like it's not something that has a place in Diablo. I don't like the idea of a 'gear check' or 'gear gating' in Diablo. Like in D2, if I go up against Duriel at level 20 with decent gear I can eventually wear him down you know, but if I had to grind out level 30 or farm for a full set of green gear at level 20 to beat duriel then I really doubt I would have kept playing D2. It's the idea that characters will be gated based on gear rather than skill or, in some cases ingenuity or patience. If someone wants to kite Superbad Demonbro for 20 minutes just to whittle down 1% every 30 seconds or something then why shouldn't they have that option? All I'm saying is that it doesn't really seem like a mechanic that belongs in a Diablo game.
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i feel like diablo has always been about dealing damage, so i'm glad enrages are there to keep that focus
Yeah, I agree with that. I don't think that focus has been lost when you look at the abilities in the game. Purely defensive skills are far and few between. Even teleport can be made into an attack!
and most enrages aren't a challenge in themselves, they're a challenge because other mechanics hinder your dps (which therefore requires mastery of a fight's mechanics to down a boss)
I don't know about that. There are quite a few bosses with hard enrage timers, particularly in hard-mode versions and higher content, that are pretty brutal. There are trivial enrage timers, but I doubt we'll rub against enrage at all before Nightmare/Hell.
Inferno enrage timers could be a big deal. Inferno's supposed to be hard, you're supposed to take a hard look at your build. Those billions of viable builds might shrink a bit. That's probably alright though, Inferno was never meant for everyone.
Everything official I've read on the Blizzard forums indicates that enrage timers only exist on Inferno. Every time it's mentioned, it's in direct relation to Inferno, and I've never seen any indication that they'll exist on lower difficulties. If they're on Normal / Nightmare / Hell, though, I wouldn't have an issue. I like enrage timers, because they help promote build and team optimization.
Before we heard about this, my buddy and I were thinking about creating a Monk and a Barbarian that would each be incredibly defensive. We'd slowly but surely be able to break down difficult encounters because we're essentially invincible. I'm also involved with a group of other Monks who want to run with an all Monk party. Between the four of us, we can potentially have 100% up-time on Inner Sanctuary, completely trivializing melee-focused attackers. Add on top of that constant AoE healing from Breath of Heaven, a hard bubble from Serenity, and stacking Mantras of Evasion and Healing ... and there's really no point in even fighting the group, lol.
But once we found out about enrage timers, we're forced to re-think our strategy. Rather than having full defense and healing, we'll likely need at least 2 balls-to-the-wall DPS-focused characters. So I think enrage timers are a great idea in D3 for the same reason they're a great idea in WoW: they prevent players from stacking their groups for full healing and defense to trivialize higher difficulties.
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Diablo 2 had a run, so im not sure I know what you are referring to.
D3 has no slow speed (outside of debuffs I guess), an improvement.
I like it.
Like someone else was implying, I'm a bit shy about just flat-out healing since we don't know the scaling of player HP and the skills, but I had a hard time considering several of those abilities myself, particularly the spirit->health passive. I wanted an ally for A) spirit generation and
With the number of +spirit abilities I have, I'm considering picking up that passive that heals on spirit instead of.. I dunno which one
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D3's run speed is considerably slower than D2's. It's just one of the ways they decided early on to control the pace of the game.
Were there only the 2 TV spots?
In fairness every stat scales with level. Criticals, attack speed, and damage all scale with each other. Lifesteal scales with both offensive and defensive stats though.
Healing can still scale if you've got great defenses; if your effective health is better through damage reduction then your heals are more efficient.
The only reason you'd need bonuses to healing really is if you needed to heal other people. Are all heals AoE in this game? I'm only familiar with Breath of Heaven and (probably AoE) healing aura. Does seem like a missed opportunity... but I imagine healing will still be viable with the right build choices, or with an allied tankarian.
Sorry, bit vague on my part. 2 had run, but the walk speed was so slow that it was basically a necessity, which I never felt during my limited time with 3 (to the point where I didn't even think to find out if it existed until after the beta was over). Just a curiosity, thanks for the answers.
Also probably on my mind because I'm doing a Borderlands replay, and travel time is incredibly annoying on occasion.
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I hope you're kidding because that's fucking stupid.
Yet the pacing feels way better, so props to them.
having a life leech back and forth battle with a group of uniques or whatever, that was boring
Diablo 3 does have a walk option IIRC, its just a toggle bound to some key you'll never hit in case you feel like ambling around all slow-like. I think. Now I'm beginning to doubt myself.
Stamina was stupid anyway.
It does seem quite cool. I hope they're a little less hard enrages like WoW (Don't make it in time? Instantly 500% more damage and 500% more speed, and 500 more...). Defensive, outlasting characters shouldn't be too heavily punished compared to an evasive glass cannon. Something more gradual would would be nice.
People were saying that damage meters would be pointless and a silly thing in Diablo 3 but with enrage timers; one's group DPS might be of some concern...
They should be used as a way of controlling player behavior, not as a challenge to be met.
so that you don't overstack on healers to make fights negligibly difficult, but very slow and boring
and most enrages aren't a challenge in themselves, they're a challenge because other mechanics hinder your dps (which therefore requires mastery of a fight's mechanics to down a boss)
Yeah, I agree with that. I don't think that focus has been lost when you look at the abilities in the game. Purely defensive skills are far and few between. Even teleport can be made into an attack!
I don't know about that. There are quite a few bosses with hard enrage timers, particularly in hard-mode versions and higher content, that are pretty brutal. There are trivial enrage timers, but I doubt we'll rub against enrage at all before Nightmare/Hell.
Inferno enrage timers could be a big deal. Inferno's supposed to be hard, you're supposed to take a hard look at your build. Those billions of viable builds might shrink a bit. That's probably alright though, Inferno was never meant for everyone.
Before we heard about this, my buddy and I were thinking about creating a Monk and a Barbarian that would each be incredibly defensive. We'd slowly but surely be able to break down difficult encounters because we're essentially invincible. I'm also involved with a group of other Monks who want to run with an all Monk party. Between the four of us, we can potentially have 100% up-time on Inner Sanctuary, completely trivializing melee-focused attackers. Add on top of that constant AoE healing from Breath of Heaven, a hard bubble from Serenity, and stacking Mantras of Evasion and Healing ... and there's really no point in even fighting the group, lol.
But once we found out about enrage timers, we're forced to re-think our strategy. Rather than having full defense and healing, we'll likely need at least 2 balls-to-the-wall DPS-focused characters. So I think enrage timers are a great idea in D3 for the same reason they're a great idea in WoW: they prevent players from stacking their groups for full healing and defense to trivialize higher difficulties.