This is only speculation. We have no way of knowing at this point and the only way is to go through with it. I'd rather give it a shot then dismiss it out of hand cause of boogeyman powers that may or may not exist.
Yes yes, let's just assume that the game is grossly imbalanced and collect our victory rapidly!
The host has still refused to answer that thralls/millers question, btw.
Erin The RedThe Name's Erin! Woman, Podcaster, Dungeon Master, IT nerd, Parent, Trans. AMABaton Rouge, LARegistered Userregular
What order does the narration take place? Namely, if a jedi that is being killed that night is on a mission that is successfully completed, do they have a chance of getting the power from that planet?
Because that could screw us over big time if one of us gets a power, only to be ganked shortly before being able to use it.
Except the planet payouts aren't definite. If the Jedi take a planet, and the wrong Jedi gets the power, then it's just as bad as any surmised false postive.
There is no such thing as "the wrong Jedi".
When a planet is taken by the Jedi, a random Jedi-aligned Knight who helped take control of the planet that night will be given the planet's power to control. When a planet is taken by the Sith, the Sith Infiltrators as a whole will decide how to use its power.
Beat me to it.
As a host of somewhat complicated games, I am really annoyed when people tunnelvision when the host tries to reasonably lay things out for you.
An entire planet subgame provided by the host? Oh, I'm sure it is expected to just ignore that.
Everyone given a seer? I'm sure the host wants us to break the game right away! What could go wrong (IGNORE HOST CLARIFICATIONS IGNORE)
I am pretty sure if this was my game I'd be /facepalming already.
Except the planet payouts aren't definite. If the Jedi take a planet, and the wrong Jedi gets the power, then it's just as bad as any surmised false postive.
There is no such thing as "the wrong Jedi".
When a planet is taken by the Jedi, a random Jedi-aligned Knight who helped take control of the planet that night will be given the planet's power to control. When a planet is taken by the Sith, the Sith Infiltrators as a whole will decide how to use its power.
I did not read that closely, my mistake.
Don't mistake my persistence in the issue for close-mindness. I understand the planet game is there and will be played. It was asked how we planned to do what we planned and I explained. We're now discussing the pros and cons of said plan.
I feel that people saying meditations are useless is a dangerous thing to say. Nor do I expect everything to be handed to us on a platter because of it. I just want options to be kept open and those trying to shut down dissent bear looking into.
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"Go down, kick ass, and set yourselves up as gods, that's our Prime Directive!"
We aren't saying meditations are useless.
We are saying organized meditations are highly vulnerable to clever sith kachinations that we cannot fully fathom, as their abilities are unknown.
Yeah theres no way half the village gets a seer without a way to counter it.
And surely SURELY the knights who control planets will get even better powers than what they started with. Of course the power to control a planet is insignifficant compared to the power of the force...
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Erin The RedThe Name's Erin! Woman, Podcaster, Dungeon Master, IT nerd, Parent, Trans. AMABaton Rouge, LARegistered Userregular
We aren't saying meditations are useless.
We are saying organized meditations are highly vulnerable to clever sith kachinations that we cannot fully fathom, as their abilities are unknown.
Underestimating a foe is the first step on the road to defeat.
You are right to warn others to be wary of the Sith, for they are nothing if not cunning
So let's say that we later feel that the "order every player in the game" thing is a Sith ploy to have the Jedi give up all control of the planets, and was supported by Sith on the council.
What recourse do we have? If we want to rid the council of X, we can't vote X out. Can the council vote out one of their own? Or am I missing something.
I guess more simply: How do we remove a suspected Sith from the council, period?
So let's say that we later feel that the "order every player in the game" thing is a Sith ploy to have the Jedi give up all control of the planets, and was supported by Sith on the council.
What recourse do we have? If we want to rid the council of X, we can't vote X out. Can the council vote out one of their own? Or am I missing something.
I guess more simply: How do we remove a suspected Sith from the council, period?
It would appear that one recouse would be to hopefully get a vig ability from a planet, and pray that it can be used against council members. the secret would be to discover one, and then out them to the right pepople so as not to totally invalidate the power if the sith have blocking abilities in place
It would appear that one recouse would be to hopefully get a vig ability from a planet, and pray that it can be used against council members. the secret would be to discover one, and then out them to the right pepople so as not to totally invalidate the power if the sith have blocking abilities in place
Good plan, except when someone gets a planet power, they're known. And any Padawan can block with enough prep time.
"Go down, kick ass, and set yourselves up as gods, that's our Prime Directive!"
It would appear that one recouse would be to hopefully get a vig ability from a planet, and pray that it can be used against council members. the secret would be to discover one, and then out them to the right pepople so as not to totally invalidate the power if the sith have blocking abilities in place
Good plan, except when someone gets a planet power, they're known.
How's that? It's randomly assigned. I wasn't aware that it was also publicly revealed.
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Erin The RedThe Name's Erin! Woman, Podcaster, Dungeon Master, IT nerd, Parent, Trans. AMABaton Rouge, LARegistered Userregular
It would appear that one recouse would be to hopefully get a vig ability from a planet, and pray that it can be used against council members. the secret would be to discover one, and then out them to the right pepople so as not to totally invalidate the power if the sith have blocking abilities in place
Good plan, except when someone gets a planet power, they're known. And any Padawan can block with enough prep time.
Ah crap, is that for real? I figured he would just PM someone if they gained a power. But with enough padawans, I guess you could feasibly block an entire away team if they're mentioned in narration.
It would appear that one recouse would be to hopefully get a vig ability from a planet, and pray that it can be used against council members. the secret would be to discover one, and then out them to the right pepople so as not to totally invalidate the power if the sith have blocking abilities in place
Good plan, except when someone gets a planet power, they're known. And any Padawan can block with enough prep time.
Oh, so the verified Knight that gets the power is also revealed, so publicly verified?
That's handy and annoying at the same time. Confirmed special that is probably going to get fucked.
tzeentchlingDoctor of RocksOaklandRegistered Userregular
I would suggest going after two planets tonight with our knights. No support from the Padawans. See what the counter for the influence is after all is done.
I would suggest going after two planets tonight with our knights. No support from the Padawans. See what the counter for the influence is after all is done.
I think we should take a page from the Jedi handbook, which I happen to have being a padawan and all, Balance is our way. We should not focus on either ability too much but should work them all into our plan. Only Doth deal in absolutes.
My preference is small strike teams that report to a Master what their activities have wrought. For the first night or two, I'd prefer the strike teams to pick their own actions. Having a giant list of what actions will be taken that every council member knows will only lead to the Sith Masters looking over that list and cherrypicking who to interfere with and how.
So do we want to go with a pod system (divide into subgroups of about five), or go with an organized-but-random system (create RNG tables for players to roll on, rolls determine action)? I don't know if there's a failproof way of obtaining control of specific planets without the Sith being able to interfere.
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What order does the narration take place? Namely, if a jedi that is being killed that night is on a mission that is successfully completed, do they have a chance of getting the power from that planet?
Because that could screw us over big time if one of us gets a power, only to be ganked shortly before being able to use it.
If a Jedi-aligned Knight gets a power from a planet takeover and then dies at any point in the future, the power will carry on to a RNG Jedi-aligned Knight chosen from a pool of Knights that were on a mission that night to that planet with the original Knight. If that condition fails, then it will carry on to a RNG Jedi-aligned Knight chosen from a pool of Knights that have ever been on a mission to that planet. If that condition fails, then it will carry on to a RNG Jedi-aligned Knight chosen from all Jedi-aligned Knights. If there are no Knights, no one gets the power.
I like subgroups of 3-4 knights, which thus includes their Padawans (making it 6-8). As the Padawans don't need to know the target for their abilities to work, I think it makes sense to keep them in the dark on the current action until such time as they are reasonably confirmed and/or their Knight dies and they take over for them. Helps prevent shenanigans, even if it is a jerk move.
I would suggest going after two planets tonight with our knights. No support from the Padawans. See what the counter for the influence is after all is done.
Why? So they should all train?
Yes. Also, without the padawan support, we should have a simple count for values. Smaller numbers are easier to determine the causes of perturbations than with large numbers.
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Because that could screw us over big time if one of us gets a power, only to be ganked shortly before being able to use it.
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One of the padawan powers is that they can roleblock, I assume?
Beat me to it.
As a host of somewhat complicated games, I am really annoyed when people tunnelvision when the host tries to reasonably lay things out for you.
An entire planet subgame provided by the host? Oh, I'm sure it is expected to just ignore that.
Everyone given a seer? I'm sure the host wants us to break the game right away! What could go wrong (IGNORE HOST CLARIFICATIONS IGNORE)
I am pretty sure if this was my game I'd be /facepalming already.
Padawans have a chargeable roleblock. It takes a night to charge.
I did not read that closely, my mistake.
Don't mistake my persistence in the issue for close-mindness. I understand the planet game is there and will be played. It was asked how we planned to do what we planned and I explained. We're now discussing the pros and cons of said plan.
I feel that people saying meditations are useless is a dangerous thing to say. Nor do I expect everything to be handed to us on a platter because of it. I just want options to be kept open and those trying to shut down dissent bear looking into.
I can take you in! Though your powers would not be usable on me, I am sure.
We are saying organized meditations are highly vulnerable to clever sith kachinations that we cannot fully fathom, as their abilities are unknown.
And surely SURELY the knights who control planets will get even better powers than what they started with. Of course the power to control a planet is insignifficant compared to the power of the force...
Underestimating a foe is the first step on the road to defeat.
You are right to warn others to be wary of the Sith, for they are nothing if not cunning
Now I feel like a cranky old Jedi master who needs a space nap.
Yeah, that seems an apt assessment of my games.
Most will (a) have fun and (b) not get anywhere just coasting. Always has a few that are just lost though.
What recourse do we have? If we want to rid the council of X, we can't vote X out. Can the council vote out one of their own? Or am I missing something.
I guess more simply: How do we remove a suspected Sith from the council, period?
It would appear that one recouse would be to hopefully get a vig ability from a planet, and pray that it can be used against council members. the secret would be to discover one, and then out them to the right pepople so as not to totally invalidate the power if the sith have blocking abilities in place
If there are Sith on the council that whole time I don't think it would be to our advantage when we hit sub-20. :rotate:
Good plan, except when someone gets a planet power, they're known. And any Padawan can block with enough prep time.
How's that? It's randomly assigned. I wasn't aware that it was also publicly revealed.
Ah crap, is that for real? I figured he would just PM someone if they gained a power. But with enough padawans, I guess you could feasibly block an entire away team if they're mentioned in narration.
Oh, so the verified Knight that gets the power is also revealed, so publicly verified?
That's handy and annoying at the same time. Confirmed special that is probably going to get fucked.
Does the Knight who gets a planetary power get publicly revealed?
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Why? So they should all train?
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I like the small strike team idea rather than the big list of everybody does this thing.
If a Jedi-aligned Knight gets a power from a planet takeover and then dies at any point in the future, the power will carry on to a RNG Jedi-aligned Knight chosen from a pool of Knights that were on a mission that night to that planet with the original Knight. If that condition fails, then it will carry on to a RNG Jedi-aligned Knight chosen from a pool of Knights that have ever been on a mission to that planet. If that condition fails, then it will carry on to a RNG Jedi-aligned Knight chosen from all Jedi-aligned Knights. If there are no Knights, no one gets the power.
I will be your knight
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Yes. Also, without the padawan support, we should have a simple count for values. Smaller numbers are easier to determine the causes of perturbations than with large numbers.