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The Avengers! or why a Justice League film can't succeed!

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    King RiptorKing Riptor Registered User regular
    It still boggles my mind that a single company owns some kind of distribution rights to two rivalry IPs. LEGO is full of wizards.

    Having just got the second DC RPG character sourcebook (Has L-Z) I really wish they could have gotten the Marvel rights too. (It's based on the Third Edition Mutants and Masterminds RPG, which IMO is a fantastic freeform character RPG based on D20). It'd be neat to see how they statted up iconic versions of various characters and how they compare to the DC characters. Ah well.
    Goatmon wrote: »
    Pretty much, I just think Spiderman's are more awful than most.

    Superman being mind controlled into a porno with Big Barda is probably the worst I can think of from DC other than the aforementioned "girls in fridges" syndrome.

    Spiderman is cool because of this guy.

    There is very, very little difference between Jameson now and Jameson at the start of the comic.

    From each comic series, to each cartoon, to the films, he has pretty much stayed exactly the same, and has continued to be hilarious.

    Hard evidence that pricks live forever. Doubly so when they're funny.

    Point of Order; Ultimate J Jonah Jameson figured out that Peter was Spider-Man, shortly after changing his mind of Spider-Man when witnessing him selflessly rescuing people from the flooding of Manhattan. He gave Peter a permanent job with flexible hours and a college scholarship, IIRC.

    Shame Pete had to go die after that. :(

    I'm pretty sure that wont stick in fact IIRC it's already being unstuck but this was based on a weird logo from a few months ago.

    Miles will end up as Scarlet Spider or something.

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    JayKaosJayKaos Registered User regular
    It still boggles my mind that a single company owns some kind of distribution rights to two rivalry IPs. LEGO is full of wizards.

    Having just got the second DC RPG character sourcebook (Has L-Z) I really wish they could have gotten the Marvel rights too. (It's based on the Third Edition Mutants and Masterminds RPG, which IMO is a fantastic freeform character RPG based on D20). It'd be neat to see how they statted up iconic versions of various characters and how they compare to the DC characters. Ah well.
    Goatmon wrote: »
    Pretty much, I just think Spiderman's are more awful than most.

    Superman being mind controlled into a porno with Big Barda is probably the worst I can think of from DC other than the aforementioned "girls in fridges" syndrome.

    Spiderman is cool because of this guy.

    There is very, very little difference between Jameson now and Jameson at the start of the comic.

    From each comic series, to each cartoon, to the films, he has pretty much stayed exactly the same, and has continued to be hilarious.

    Hard evidence that pricks live forever. Doubly so when they're funny.

    Point of Order; Ultimate J Jonah Jameson figured out that Peter was Spider-Man, shortly after changing his mind of Spider-Man when witnessing him selflessly rescuing people from the flooding of Manhattan. He gave Peter a permanent job with flexible hours and a college scholarship, IIRC.

    Shame Pete had to go die after that. :(

    I'm pretty sure that wont stick in fact IIRC it's already being unstuck but this was based on a weird logo from a few months ago.

    Miles will end up as Scarlet Spider or something.

    Nah they're not bringing back Ult. Pete, they're having a crossover with Regular Pete but that's a whole 'nother matter.

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    SolarSolar Registered User regular
    It still boggles my mind that a single company owns some kind of distribution rights to two rivalry IPs. LEGO is full of wizards.

    Having just got the second DC RPG character sourcebook (Has L-Z) I really wish they could have gotten the Marvel rights too. (It's based on the Third Edition Mutants and Masterminds RPG, which IMO is a fantastic freeform character RPG based on D20). It'd be neat to see how they statted up iconic versions of various characters and how they compare to the DC characters. Ah well.

    Guess who has statted up dozens of Marvel characters using 3rd ed M&M anyway?

    (it's me

    I have)

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    KwoaruKwoaru Confident Smirk Flawless Golden PecsRegistered User regular
    Nogs wrote: »
    Solar wrote: »
    Kwoaru wrote: »
    I dont understand, Dich, have you not read a wikipedia entry about a popular character before?

    There's weird stuff on any wiki-style superhero entry, Spiderman's however is freaking weird.
    Vann Diras wrote: »
    are you seriously talking shit about gwen stacy's death

    one of the most iconic moments in comics that marks a huge turning point in the direction the entire medium was taking

    fuck you

    fuck you

    Killing a hero's girlfriend for drama impact... ooooh, so edgey. I'm in awe. That's never gonna happen again.

    I know this is pages late

    but you do realise that when this was done, it was edgy? Incredibly so. The heroes girlfriend was dead. She had been killed when a villain threw her off a bridge and the hero tried to save her a failed. Edgy? It ended the Silver Age.

    You think Peter Parker being broody and mysterious is cheap and modern? Spider-Man was broody and mysterious before anyone else. In the sixties that hadn't happened in comics. Peter Parker was at college and he'd be under stress and lose his temper with his friends, walking off to brood somewhere, and women would think "that Peter Parker, he's so handsome and mysterious, I just want to know his secret!"

    It was a big deal back then! Spidey did it first!

    yeah im gonna have to agree with Solar here. That event was a turning point. To ignore the importance of her death on the medium itself is pretty...well...ignorant.

    Yeah well thats the problem with reading a wiki entry, none of the context that made those events unique comes across at all and the things that spider hypen man did 40 years ago are just tropes in modern comic books so it's pretty easy to understand how he could have reached that conclusion

    It's still a super wrong and overly dismissive conclusion but it's not entirely on him

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    StraightziStraightzi Here we may reign secure, and in my choice, To reign is worth ambition though in HellRegistered User regular
    Solar wrote: »
    It still boggles my mind that a single company owns some kind of distribution rights to two rivalry IPs. LEGO is full of wizards.

    Having just got the second DC RPG character sourcebook (Has L-Z) I really wish they could have gotten the Marvel rights too. (It's based on the Third Edition Mutants and Masterminds RPG, which IMO is a fantastic freeform character RPG based on D20). It'd be neat to see how they statted up iconic versions of various characters and how they compare to the DC characters. Ah well.

    Guess who has statted up dozens of Marvel characters using 3rd ed M&M anyway?

    (it's me

    I have)

    Why haven't we just sat around settling all these "Who would win in a fight" questions yet?

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    SolarSolar Registered User regular
    I dunno

    probably for fear of being beaten up for our lunch money

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    StraightziStraightzi Here we may reign secure, and in my choice, To reign is worth ambition though in HellRegistered User regular
    We can do it in the D&D thread

    Bullies don't come in there

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    SolarSolar Registered User regular
    that's true

    if they do we pelt them with d20s

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    UnbrokenEvaUnbrokenEva HIGH ON THE WIRE BUT I WON'T TRIP ITRegistered User regular
    shit.

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    StraightziStraightzi Here we may reign secure, and in my choice, To reign is worth ambition though in HellRegistered User regular
    Line the entrances with d4 caltrops.

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    SolarSolar Registered User regular
    the d4 is the best dice for damage because it is the spikiest one

    everyone knows this

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    chiasaur11chiasaur11 Never doubt a raccoon. Do you think it's trademarked?Registered User regular
    JJJ is an interesting Ultimatization because while he serves the same purpose his motivation for doing so is completely different and because of that he could be brought around to seeing Peter as he really is.

    What's really interesting there is that JJJ is a deluded good person. He's willing to do anything for what he believes is right and he believes a good person would hide his face behind a mask. He is wrong but his heart is in the right place. UJJJ however doesn't trust Spider-man because he is kind of a bad person. Well, a real world business man. He sees Spider-man doing what he does and he distrusts him to. This time though because to him nobody is that good. Nobody would risk their lives selflessly. When confronted with the undeniable fact that Spider-man is exactly that kind of person he changes.

    It's interesting.

    It feels totally fair for a villain to break into the Bugle and have JJJ cream his pants and suck up to the guy, claiming that no, this time he's going to stop printing (Lies/The Truth.) about them.

    But at the same time, you know he's not going to change anything, and he's been shown to be one of the most principled men in the MU, and in some ways one of the bravest. He's the only reason Urich published his anti-kingpin articles, he's a crusader for mutant and civil rights, all that good stuff. He's a complicated character.

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    BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    and the winner of Iron Man 3's vilain issssss:
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    James Badge Dale as COLDBLOOD



    WHAT

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    MaximumMaximum Registered User regular
    Quick everyone! To your Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe to figure out who the hell that guy is.

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    DichotomyDichotomy Registered User regular
    makes sense

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    MaximumMaximum Registered User regular
    Oh man, I hope this means we get Deathlok in this movie somehow.

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    BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    funniest thing is

    the dude isn't even an Iron Man villain

    he fought Deathlok and Havok, apparently

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    BlackDragon480BlackDragon480 Bluster Kerfuffle Master of Windy ImportRegistered User regular
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    funniest thing is

    the dude isn't even an Iron Man villain

    he fought Deathlok and Havok, apparently

    That's what I was thinking.

    Only time I ever remember him was in some late 80's/early 90's X-Men spinoffs and briefly in Civil War.

    This choice has me fucking confused.

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    Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    funniest thing is

    the dude isn't even an Iron Man villain

    he fought Deathlok and Havok, apparently

    That's what I was thinking.

    Only time I ever remember him was in some late 80's/early 90's X-Men spinoffs and briefly in Civil War.

    This choice has me fucking confused.

    It's a villain whose a dark mirror to Tony. Had a similar origin became a super-herovillain and cyborg. Terrible code name, though.

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    EdcrabEdcrab Actually a hack Registered User regular
    edited May 2012
    Is he the main villain? Because I suppose they might be using a virtual unknown so they can... well, do pretty much anything they want with the guy

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    BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    Edcrab wrote: »
    Is he the main villain? Because I suppose they might be using a virtual unknown so they can... well, do pretty much anything they want with the guy
    Nah, he's probably just the secondary villain that Tony can actually scrap with, Ben Kingsley is gonna play the main villain.

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    Vargas PrimeVargas Prime King of Nothing Just a ShowRegistered User regular
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    funniest thing is

    the dude isn't even an Iron Man villain

    he fought Deathlok and Havok, apparently

    That's what I was thinking.

    Only time I ever remember him was in some late 80's/early 90's X-Men spinoffs and briefly in Civil War.

    This choice has me fucking confused.

    It's a villain whose a dark mirror to Tony. Had a similar origin became a super-herovillain and cyborg. Terrible code name, though.

    They've done the "dark mirror" villain in BOTH Iron Man movies already, to an extent. Change it up a little, maybe?

    I mean, I'm sure the teaser ending from Avengers will be carried through the next batch of solo movies, just to build to the eventual Avengers 2, but still...

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    TheySlashThemTheySlashThem Registered User regular
    edited May 2012
    It still boggles my mind that a single company owns some kind of distribution rights to two rivalry IPs. LEGO is full of wizards.

    to be fair, where else are they gonna go?

    batman k'nex? iron man mega blocks?

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    TheySlashThemTheySlashThem Registered User regular
    maaaaaaaan are they gonna have tony fight another robot guy again

    god damn it come on

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    EdcrabEdcrab Actually a hack Registered User regular
    If the cyborg is a Captain America/Blonksy-esque finesse/speed guy with a high tech rifle, it might be a bit of change from robot fisticuffs

    And the awful final bout in IM2 which was barely a fight

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    DichotomyDichotomy Registered User regular
    I encourage as many robot fights as possible

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    CorporateLogoCorporateLogo The toilet knows how I feelRegistered User regular
    It's the only thing that gets Dichotomy aroused these days

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    EtchwartsEtchwarts Eyes Up Registered User regular
    Yeah, the fight with Whiplash at the end of IM2 was a huge let-down.

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    RobbieOCRobbieOC Snork Juice Pawnee, INRegistered User regular
    I wish they would have just used Deathlok instead. That would have been a lot more fun.

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    wirehead26wirehead26 Registered User regular
    Avengers vs. X-men #4 was damn good this week and the series finally seems to be coming together but that's to be expected with a 12 issue story.

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    Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    edited May 2012
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    funniest thing is

    the dude isn't even an Iron Man villain

    he fought Deathlok and Havok, apparently

    That's what I was thinking.

    Only time I ever remember him was in some late 80's/early 90's X-Men spinoffs and briefly in Civil War.

    This choice has me fucking confused.

    It's a villain whose a dark mirror to Tony. Had a similar origin became a super-herovillain and cyborg. Terrible code name, though.

    They've done the "dark mirror" villain in BOTH Iron Man movies already, to an extent. Change it up a little, maybe?

    I mean, I'm sure the teaser ending from Avengers will be carried through the next batch of solo movies, just to build to the eventual Avengers 2, but still...

    Super-heroes can have more than one super-villain whose a dark mirror to themselves. Tony's had 3 so far in the movies. Batman's got many in his rogues gallery. Spider-man does, as well. I agree they need to give him a different type of villain to fight, like a Ghost or Spymaster that are mercs for the big bad.

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    wirehead26wirehead26 Registered User regular
    Robert Downey Jr. plays billionaire Tony Stark (Iron Man’s not-at-all secret identity) in the Marvel Studios movies, and he’s looking to make some pretty good money himself as a result of the phenomenal box office success of Avengers.

    The Hollywood Reporter cites “multiple knowledgeable sources” that RDJ is looking to take home $50 million from the picture, which includes back-end compensation and bonuses. After the success of the first Iron Man, Downey’s reps negotiated a deal where he would make a percentage of the profits from any Marvel movie where he plays the character — with The Hollywood Reporter says could be as high as 5 to 7 percent, though no concrete numbers are publicly known.

    As far as the rest of the cast, THR’s sources say that Chris Hemsworth, Chris Evans, Jeremy Renner and Mark Ruffalo will all make about $2 to $3 million from Avengers, with Samuel L. Jackson and Scarlett Johansson making around twice that. Avengers currently sits at a worldwide total of $1,016,095,436, according to Box Office Mojo.

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    DichotomyDichotomy Registered User regular
    oh great now I'm just furious about how much fucking money movie people make again

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    SeriouslySeriously Registered User regular
    dang

    I wonder how the other actors feel about that


    I don't know how that usually goes

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    wirehead26wirehead26 Registered User regular
    I mean if you would have told someone 10 years ago that RDJ would be making that much for one movie they would have laughed in your face.

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    LanglyLangly Registered User regular
    Seriously wrote: »
    dang

    I wonder how the other actors feel about that


    I don't know how that usually goes

    "what is your agent's number"

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    EdcrabEdcrab Actually a hack Registered User regular
    wirehead26 wrote: »
    I mean if you would have told someone 10 years ago that RDJ would be making that much for one movie they would have laughed in your face.

    I saw a repeat of The Simpsons the other day, the one with Mel Gibson

    RDJ is an outcast having a shoot-out with some cops and Mel is a superstar

    How times have changed

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    TheySlashThemTheySlashThem Registered User regular
    edited May 2012
    that seems weird to be giving rdj the lion's share when it really is an ensemble film

    especially since the man really wouldn't have much of a career right now if not for iron man

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    BlackDragon480BlackDragon480 Bluster Kerfuffle Master of Windy ImportRegistered User regular
    Dichotomy wrote: »
    oh great now I'm just furious about how much fucking money movie people make again

    Cheer up, when adjusted for inflation Jack Nicholson still made more for the 1989 Batman movie.

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    LanglyLangly Registered User regular
    that seems weird to be giving rdj the lion's share when it really is an ensemble film

    especially since the man really wouldn't have much of a career right now if not for iron man

    that doesn't matter? Contracts aren't hammered out based on the past, or even on the makeup of the film. RDJ is definitely the reason that the marvel movies blew up like they did, and his agent leveraged that for a huge payout.

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