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Is the end in sight for the filibuster?

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    Eat it You Nasty Pig.Eat it You Nasty Pig. tell homeland security 'we are the bomb'Registered User regular
    no, it's pretty much totally ridiculous to talk about the filibuster in the context of whatever some smart dudes 200 years ago thought was appropriate

    our circumstances are vastly different from theirs, our legislative process probably should be as well

    and it actually is in a variety of ways! if the senate existed "as the founders intended," probably nary a bill would ever escape the chamber.

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    shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    The filibuster is a mechanism that forces the body to build stronger consensus around some issues than others. Mechanisms like this exist in a lot of governing bodies (not just legislatures.) When there were significant disadvantages to using it this wasn't as big a deal, but now it's being used against effectively everything.

    No, it's a mechanism that always forces you to build a 60 vote concensus in a body that, supposedly, requires only a 50 vote one.

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    MillMill Registered User regular
    The problem Astaereth is that the minority party doesn't lose any capital filibustering damn near everything they don't like. They can just merely threatened to veto something and that results in the Senate working on things that are being threatened with a filibuster. So at the end of the day, no one can pull up of the voting record of Bigot B. Bitch of Alabama and say "See this asshole voted against every piece of legislation regarding X and now he's trying to claim he's for X." See the current set up gives the bigots a means of denying what they are, they never have try to explain why they voted against something because it never came up to vote and they can always have their peers in the safest seats threaten to do the filibuster.

    I'd be less perturbed if they had to actually had to do a debate instead of using the threat of filibuster to stifle it. Sit their and argue why they are opposed to bill X instead of reading names from a phone book. Yes, that would mean holding up other matters but then their would be an actual risk, forcing both parties to make damn sure they pick the right thing to filibuster.

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    AstaerethAstaereth In the belly of the beastRegistered User regular
    Mill wrote: »
    The problem Astaereth is that the minority party doesn't lose any capital filibustering damn near everything they don't like. They can just merely threatened to veto something and that results in the Senate working on things that are being threatened with a filibuster. So at the end of the day, no one can pull up of the voting record of Bigot B. Bitch of Alabama and say "See this asshole voted against every piece of legislation regarding X and now he's trying to claim he's for X." See the current set up gives the bigots a means of denying what they are, they never have try to explain why they voted against something because it never came up to vote and they can always have their peers in the safest seats threaten to do the filibuster.

    I'd be less perturbed if they had to actually had to do a debate instead of using the threat of filibuster to stifle it. Sit their and argue why they are opposed to bill X instead of reading names from a phone book. Yes, that would mean holding up other matters but then their would be an actual risk, forcing both parties to make damn sure they pick the right thing to filibuster.

    What a coincidence, that's exactly what I've been arguing this whole time.

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    shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    Yeah, cause filibustering the Civil Rights Act sure cost the GOP alot...

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    enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited May 2012
    They weren't the modern GOP yet. Technically Democrats at the time.

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