First... @Gumpy, this was a fantastic game. Kudos to you for both the design and implementation, it's gonna live in memory for a long time. Truly an epic.
The village has won for all extent and purposes, because after 5 years of Phalla we've learned not to kill each other. Peace reigns in Critical Failures.
I think we were all a bit surprised at that. I think it was due to the accountability that everyone had.
We got roomed together, then got Cayrus confirmed by twisting Gumpy's mechanics. I was just starting my onslaught of the zombies at the end here, assault out to kill three, attack run back for heals. Repeat. 3zombies dead per turn minimum, more if any tried to enter Command, could have kept that up for a while.
Kana gets credit for the whole "Lady Belmont is of another ship andim coming to get her" thing. Which looks like it probably could have won us the game if it went longer, since it looked like it worked completely.
The real plan was for the Errand crew to fly over to the Wisdom and protect the artifact, hopefully getting the chance to bring it over back to the Errand. I was never planning on leaving, since I hadLady Belmont right where I wanted her and completely safe.
Once again, Gumpy, great game!
shit, my win-condition was basically impossible given your powers and ability to check folk on their bona fides. You wouldn't let anyone but those you already confirmed on your ship, and the only way I could just get rid of you was putting way more zombies on just your ship but then I didn't know you were the guys.
heh, shabooty wanted to put both infections on your ship just because of you. that could have maybe killed you, but hell we didn't know you were important.
Give it a few days. I think everyone is a little exhausted after this and there's the star wars mini that just started up. I'm sure there will be another shortly.
The small mafia might have worked if the zombie horde was much larger and everyone thought the zombies were the mafia. If not everyone knew there was a covert team out to steal something and assassinate someone it would have been neat to have them work around the disasters going on.
@Munkus Beaver: yeah, the mafia were definitely too weak this game. But looking at the basic mechanics and how people usually play Phalla, I don't blame Gumpy. The coordination and not-backstabbing that the village managed was beyond what normally happens. For evidence, check the recent Survivor mini in which villagers lied to each other about what stats they had, what actions they were taking, and then the village spent half the game killing other lying villagers. Easy (ish) mafia win.
I don't think it was too easy to predict how the accountability would affect the psyche of the players, turning us from our normal homicidal monsters into responsible team players.
Again, Gumpy was (fairly reasonably) expecting like 5 converted zombies by this point, and probably four times as many dead villagers as there were. Just didn't, unfortunately, turn out that way
It's not unprecedented, see: the last game with SPECTRUM.
The external zombie threat and accountability definitely helped
First... @Gumpy, this was a fantastic game. Kudos to you for both the design and implementation, it's gonna live in memory for a long time. Truly an epic.
The village has won for all extent and purposes, because after 5 years of Phalla we've learned not to kill each other. Peace reigns in Critical Failures.
I think we were all a bit surprised at that. I think it was due to the accountability that everyone had.
We got roomed together, then got Cayrus confirmed by twisting Gumpy's mechanics. I was just starting my onslaught of the zombies at the end here, assault out to kill three, attack run back for heals. Repeat. 3zombies dead per turn minimum, more if any tried to enter Command, could have kept that up for a while.
Kana gets credit for the whole "Lady Belmont is of another ship andim coming to get her" thing. Which looks like it probably could have won us the game if it went longer, since it looked like it worked completely.
The real plan was for the Errand crew to fly over to the Wisdom and protect the artifact, hopefully getting the chance to bring it over back to the Errand. I was never planning on leaving, since I hadLady Belmont right where I wanted her and completely safe.
Once again, Gumpy, great game!
Lady Belmont being on the Errand meant the mafia lost when Gumpy RNG'd our starting positions. There were zero Feds aboard the Errand.
seriously?
with no zombie pcs on it either and also not on the ship they needed, it was basically impossible to win. zombie npcs didn't convert, kime had no reason to let anyone from our ships on board. neither of us could reasonably be expected to convert a ship to zombies before day 10, and even if I could it wouldn't matter because it would be seen as a hostile enough move if we went to another that would get us destroyed.
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@Munkus Beaver: yeah, the mafia were definitely too weak this game. But looking at the basic mechanics and how people usually play Phalla, I don't blame Gumpy. The coordination and not-backstabbing that the village managed was beyond what normally happens. For evidence, check the recent Survivor mini in which villagers lied to each other about what stats they had, what actions they were taking, and then the village spent half the game killing other lying villagers. Easy (ish) mafia win.
I don't think it was too easy to predict how the accountability would affect the psyche of the players, turning us from our normal homicidal monsters into responsible team players.
Again, Gumpy was (fairly reasonably) expecting like 5 converted zombies by this point, and probably four times as many dead villagers as there were. Just didn't, unfortunately, turn out that way
well the zombies could only ever hope to attack your ship in space-battle. even if we did convert a bunch of others we'd still be on ships that you did not need.
Well I wouldn't throw a village idiot in every phalla because that would be annoying. With this games mechanics, a VI would have been great for sowing chaos; especially, if one or two of them were suicidal and needed to take a few players with them.
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Bedlam's the only reason why more than 1 villager died.
If he hadn't gone broken arrow and taken the piss in the cheerios, he'd be the only dead villager. Hell, if he hadn't shot at Mill we might've had a perfect villager victory.
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Well I wouldn't throw a village idiot in every phalla because that would be annoying. With this games mechanics, a VI would have been great for sowing chaos; especially, if one or two of them were suicidal and needed to take a few players with them.
Tag it as Space Madness and have them go insane that way? :P
Also, is there like a link somewhere that has a standard break down of ratios for each role within a phalla? I don't want to sit down to try and make one for the first time and have it be completely unbalanced.
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You guys were the awesome. Put your pants back on and lets go home. You should all get a medal. Even Daius, because without you breaking rank and getting reamed by the red vote, others may have gotten ideas. V_W was a close second on this front.
Langly, I've got to be honest, you were more likely to hit the brig (REINFORCED BRIG) next turn than TDF. The reasons were twofold. 38th didn't trust you, and I trusted 38th by virtue of the buddy system and the fact that he hadn't bitten or shot me yet. And TDF had given me a gun. But then you went and were going to give me that sweetass rifle. Which meant that you would have given me a bigger gun than TDF. And that's damn endearing.
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Well I wouldn't throw a village idiot in every phalla because that would be annoying. With this games mechanics, a VI would have been great for sowing chaos; especially, if one or two of them were suicidal and needed to take a few players with them.
Tag it as Space Madness and have them go insane that way? :P
Also, is there like a link somewhere that has a standard break down of ratios for each role within a phalla? I don't want to sit down to try and make one for the first time and have it be completely unbalanced.
20% of the population is mafia minimum for single mafia games.
Higher % for two mafia games.
The balance of village special roles depends on the type of game you want to run
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Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
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20% of the population is mafia minimum for single mafia games.
Higher % for two mafia games.
The balance of village special roles depends on the type of game you want to run
I kind of figured that would be the answer.
Was looking at doing something with both magic/physical vigs/guardians (which I think the xanth phalla that ran a bit ago had?)
You balance the game by figuring out how many people need to die each day for it to end in about seven days or less.
Then you start running worst case scenarios and you test mechanics against each other.
You start with a low number of mechanics and you slowly add new roles as you figure out how things interact with each other.
The biggest mistake is to have a huge idea for what you want to do with a large number of unconventional things. My advice for a new runner is to run a fairly standard game with one unconventional thing that sets your game apart.
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
20% of the population is mafia minimum for single mafia games.
Higher % for two mafia games.
The balance of village special roles depends on the type of game you want to run
I kind of figured that would be the answer.
Was looking at doing something with both magic/physical vigs/guardians (which I think the xanth phalla that ran a bit ago had?)
You balance the game by figuring out how many people need to die each day for it to end in about seven days or less.
Then you start running worst case scenarios and you test mechanics against each other.
You start with a low number of mechanics and you slowly add new roles as you figure out how things interact with each other.
The biggest mistake is to have a huge idea for what you want to do with a large number of unconventional things. My advice for a new runner is to run a fairly standard game with one unconventional thing that sets your game apart.
After many games (Any my failures) I would have to say it wouldn't hurt to keep this in the signup thread on how to run a game.
20% of the population is mafia minimum for single mafia games.
Higher % for two mafia games.
The balance of village special roles depends on the type of game you want to run
I kind of figured that would be the answer.
Was looking at doing something with both magic/physical vigs/guardians (which I think the xanth phalla that ran a bit ago had?)
You balance the game by figuring out how many people need to die each day for it to end in about seven days or less.
Then you start running worst case scenarios and you test mechanics against each other.
You start with a low number of mechanics and you slowly add new roles as you figure out how things interact with each other.
The biggest mistake is to have a huge idea for what you want to do with a large number of unconventional things. My advice for a new runner is to run a fairly standard game with one unconventional thing that sets your game apart.
Ahh, I'm still sad I wasn't able to launch my Big Plan
It's pretty disappointing that nobody on the actual assault squad was even mafia
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Oh yes, and have someone else take a look at the mechanics too. :rotate:
This is really important.
Munkus was key to making my game fun. Plus, it never hurts to have another set of eyes look over things to spot obvious imbalances or loop holes in game mechanics.
Oh yes, and have someone else take a look at the mechanics too. :rotate:
This is really important.
Munkus was key to making my game fun. Plus, it never hurts to have another set of eyes look over things to spot obvious imbalances or loop holes in game mechanics.
Talking about loopholes, beware role lock or bus driver trees
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Ah, so the game's been called? I would have expected at least a few more days before calling it, but I can understand putting a stop to the game at this point. I think everyone's already pointed out the biggest problems already, so I won't retread steps. It is clear that 'battle games' will require a new tactic in terms of design, since villages have learned that conservative play is a winning strategy.
But despite the problems, that doesn't change the fact that it was a fun and engaging experience. Thanks for running it, Gumpy - and perhaps we'll be able to work together on an alternative implementation...
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shit, my win-condition was basically impossible given your powers and ability to check folk on their bona fides. You wouldn't let anyone but those you already confirmed on your ship, and the only way I could just get rid of you was putting way more zombies on just your ship but then I didn't know you were the guys.
heh, shabooty wanted to put both infections on your ship just because of you. that could have maybe killed you, but hell we didn't know you were important.
With all the crazy-go-nuts mechanics lately some people would probably appreciate the hell out of a simple game.
You should play more. I didn't get to interact with you enough.
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The external zombie threat and accountability definitely helped
Crazy vanilla phalla go! I'll work on a super simple one I guess. >_>
I'll also make sure there is a village idiot. I like village idiots.
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seriously?
with no zombie pcs on it either and also not on the ship they needed, it was basically impossible to win. zombie npcs didn't convert, kime had no reason to let anyone from our ships on board. neither of us could reasonably be expected to convert a ship to zombies before day 10, and even if I could it wouldn't matter because it would be seen as a hostile enough move if we went to another that would get us destroyed.
well the zombies could only ever hope to attack your ship in space-battle. even if we did convert a bunch of others we'd still be on ships that you did not need.
battletag: Millin#1360
Nice chart to figure out how honest a news source is.
If he hadn't gone broken arrow and taken the piss in the cheerios, he'd be the only dead villager. Hell, if he hadn't shot at Mill we might've had a perfect villager victory.
battletag: Millin#1360
Nice chart to figure out how honest a news source is.
Tag it as Space Madness and have them go insane that way? :P
Also, is there like a link somewhere that has a standard break down of ratios for each role within a phalla? I don't want to sit down to try and make one for the first time and have it be completely unbalanced.
- Terence McKenna
You guys were the awesome. Put your pants back on and lets go home. You should all get a medal. Even Daius, because without you breaking rank and getting reamed by the red vote, others may have gotten ideas. V_W was a close second on this front.
Langly, I've got to be honest, you were more likely to hit the brig (REINFORCED BRIG) next turn than TDF. The reasons were twofold. 38th didn't trust you, and I trusted 38th by virtue of the buddy system and the fact that he hadn't bitten or shot me yet. And TDF had given me a gun. But then you went and were going to give me that sweetass rifle. Which meant that you would have given me a bigger gun than TDF. And that's damn endearing.
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20% of the population is mafia minimum for single mafia games.
Higher % for two mafia games.
The balance of village special roles depends on the type of game you want to run
Because then I might have been able to kill him with my DUAL PISTOLS ON DAY 2
I kind of figured that would be the answer.
Was looking at doing something with both magic/physical vigs/guardians (which I think the xanth phalla that ran a bit ago had?)
- Terence McKenna
You left me to die to evil zombie scum! For shaaaaame!
You balance the game by figuring out how many people need to die each day for it to end in about seven days or less.
Then you start running worst case scenarios and you test mechanics against each other.
You start with a low number of mechanics and you slowly add new roles as you figure out how things interact with each other.
The biggest mistake is to have a huge idea for what you want to do with a large number of unconventional things. My advice for a new runner is to run a fairly standard game with one unconventional thing that sets your game apart.
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After many games (Any my failures) I would have to say it wouldn't hurt to keep this in the signup thread on how to run a game.
Testing mechanics
It's pretty disappointing that nobody on the actual assault squad was even mafia
This is really important.
Munkus was key to making my game fun. Plus, it never hurts to have another set of eyes look over things to spot obvious imbalances or loop holes in game mechanics.
8-)
QFT, this basically ruined my Community phalla.
Thanks for running @Gumpy. I had fun despite only being @kime's personal healer.
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battletag: Millin#1360
Nice chart to figure out how honest a news source is.
Going to state again that I agree.
I want in on this so much.
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But despite the problems, that doesn't change the fact that it was a fun and engaging experience. Thanks for running it, Gumpy - and perhaps we'll be able to work together on an alternative implementation...