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  • japanjapan Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Killhouse wrote: »
    You should be able to unmount that partition easily enough. I would have to look up the commands fr it though.

    But what's to stop someone from mounting it again?

    User permissions. Mounting/Unmounting drives requires superuser access. Now, Ubuntu configures things so that there is no root account, but every user has "sudo" privileges, meaning they can do anything root can, but need to enter their password first.

    You can revoke this by editing /etc/sudoers, or there's a graphical tool in Ubuntu (I don't know about XUbuntu) that lets you pick and choose what a particular user is allowed to do.

    So, comment out the entry in your fstab, and revoke the system administration privileges for any account you don't want re-mounting it. If you're really paranoid, you might want to look into enabling the root account and making every user an unprivileged user.

    japan on
  • Just_Bri_ThanksJust_Bri_Thanks Seething with rage from a handbasket.Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited July 2007
    japan wrote: »
    If you're really paranoid, you might want to look into enabling the root account and making every user an unprivileged user.

    At this point though, you are really configuring your system outside the normal parameters of how the typical desktop PC is used. As an example, simply requiring the sudo +password is enough for me seeing as no one else uses my machine, and very few people are even in a position where they could physically put their hands on it.

    If this computer is for use in an office space, then by all means make everyone but the sys-admin (and staff) an unprivileged user.

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  • japanjapan Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Very true, it's just that:
    Killhouse wrote: »
    However, now the files on the Windows partition are still accessible from Xubuntu and this is security threat.

    Struck me as sounding a little paranoid, so I thought the tinfoil hat option might be appreciated.

    japan on
  • Just_Bri_ThanksJust_Bri_Thanks Seething with rage from a handbasket.Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited July 2007
    japan wrote: »
    Very true, it's just that:
    Killhouse wrote: »
    However, now the files on the Windows partition are still accessible from Xubuntu and this is security threat.

    Struck me as sounding a little paranoid, so I thought the tinfoil hat option might be appreciated.

    So noted.

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  • KillhouseKillhouse __BANNED USERS regular
    edited July 2007
    The amount of bloat though in Ubuntu is driving me crazy.

    What IS the most stripped down bare bones OS out there? I see a lot of games or openoffice or stuff that I will probably never ever use. Seems like it would be a pain in the ass to remove it all unless Ubuntu has a feature to totally wipe all that and just start with very minimalist necessities such as the user interface.

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  • LemmingLemming Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Killhouse wrote: »
    The amount of bloat though in Ubuntu is driving me crazy.

    What IS the most stripped down bare bones OS out there? I see a lot of games or openoffice or stuff that I will probably never ever use. Seems like it would be a pain in the ass to remove it all unless Ubuntu has a feature to totally wipe all that and just start with very minimalist necessities such as the user interface.

    Maybe try Damn Small Linux?

    http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/

    Lemming on
  • Just_Bri_ThanksJust_Bri_Thanks Seething with rage from a handbasket.Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited July 2007
    Killhouse wrote: »
    The amount of bloat though in Ubuntu is driving me crazy.

    What IS the most stripped down bare bones OS out there? I see a lot of games or openoffice or stuff that I will probably never ever use. Seems like it would be a pain in the ass to remove it all unless Ubuntu has a feature to totally wipe all that and just start with very minimalist necessities such as the user interface.

    In linux even the UI is optional and changable.

    What exactly do you want to do with your PC if you have no software on it?

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  • KillhouseKillhouse __BANNED USERS regular
    edited July 2007
    Killhouse wrote: »
    The amount of bloat though in Ubuntu is driving me crazy.

    What IS the most stripped down bare bones OS out there? I see a lot of games or openoffice or stuff that I will probably never ever use. Seems like it would be a pain in the ass to remove it all unless Ubuntu has a feature to totally wipe all that and just start with very minimalist necessities such as the user interface.

    In linux even the UI is optional and changable.

    What exactly do you want to do with your PC if you have no software on it?

    I want to monitor traffic, and read packets.

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  • MonoxideMonoxide Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited July 2007
    Killhouse wrote: »
    Killhouse wrote: »
    The amount of bloat though in Ubuntu is driving me crazy.

    What IS the most stripped down bare bones OS out there? I see a lot of games or openoffice or stuff that I will probably never ever use. Seems like it would be a pain in the ass to remove it all unless Ubuntu has a feature to totally wipe all that and just start with very minimalist necessities such as the user interface.

    In linux even the UI is optional and changable.

    What exactly do you want to do with your PC if you have no software on it?

    I want to monitor traffic, and read packets.

    So don't use Xubuntu. Ubuntu and it's derivatives are desktop OS's, they're meant to supply the needs of desktop end users and make the experience as simple as possible. This means including a lot of lowest common denominator software that a lot of people are going to want, even if they don't use it. There are a few ubuntu-based distros out there that are more focused, but all of them include something you'll probably never use.

    Your best bet is just to install Debian. It's what Ubuntu was created from. Get the business card or netinstall ISO, and set it up on the machine. Even with the menu based installer, you'll get to choose every single software package you install on the PC, since it download/installs them at setup. Pick the shit you want, tell it to skip the stuff you don't, then open a terminal and apt-get install anything that isn't in the initial setup.

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  • KillhouseKillhouse __BANNED USERS regular
    edited July 2007
    Monoxide wrote: »
    Killhouse wrote: »
    Killhouse wrote: »
    The amount of bloat though in Ubuntu is driving me crazy.

    What IS the most stripped down bare bones OS out there? I see a lot of games or openoffice or stuff that I will probably never ever use. Seems like it would be a pain in the ass to remove it all unless Ubuntu has a feature to totally wipe all that and just start with very minimalist necessities such as the user interface.

    In linux even the UI is optional and changable.

    What exactly do you want to do with your PC if you have no software on it?

    I want to monitor traffic, and read packets.

    So don't use Xubuntu. Ubuntu and it's derivatives are desktop OS's, they're meant to supply the needs of desktop end users and make the experience as simple as possible. This means including a lot of lowest common denominator software that a lot of people are going to want, even if they don't use it. There are a few ubuntu-based distros out there that are more focused, but all of them include something you'll probably never use.

    Your best bet is just to install Debian. It's what Ubuntu was created from. Get the business card or netinstall ISO, and set it up on the machine. Even with the menu based installer, you'll get to choose every single software package you install on the PC, since it download/installs them at setup. Pick the shit you want, tell it to skip the stuff you don't, then open a terminal and apt-get install anything that isn't in the initial setup.


    thanks bro

    Are there any programs that could allow me to read web pages in pure text based formats? For example, these forums in a terminal only.

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  • halkunhalkun Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Killhouse wrote: »

    Are there any programs that could allow me to read web pages in pure text based formats? For example, these forums in a terminal only.

    "Links" is a good one (Screenshot)

    I think it's pretty feature rich for a text web browser ^_^

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  • DarmakDarmak RAGE vympyvvhyc vyctyvyRegistered User regular
    edited July 2007
    halkun wrote: »
    Killhouse wrote: »

    Are there any programs that could allow me to read web pages in pure text based formats? For example, these forums in a terminal only.

    "Links" is a good one (Screenshot)

    I think it's pretty feature rich for a text web browser ^_^

    "tron os japan"? lol, awesome.

    Actually, a text web browser is awesome period, I don't know why. Would it work with Ubuntu as well?

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  • MblackwellMblackwell Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    That program has saved my ass a lot (like when X crashed and I couldn't remember some commands).


    Oh and he could have installed Ubuntu Server for something more stripped down, but debian is always a good choice for something stable and server-ready. They're really touchy about updates because stability is their main issue, so you can be sure things are well tested and work. It's why a lot of distros use debian as their base.

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  • subediisubedii Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    So yeah, I've been using Ubuntu for about a week now and it seems decent. Haven't really played around with it too much, aside from adding in stuff here and there. Synaptic is VERY intuitive and useful, I have to say.

    I just installed UT2004 (which was a pain, as it was the Midway Anthology which didn't have the native linux installer on it). Was missing an openAL driver, and instead of having to hunt around the internet to find it, simply loaded up Synaptic and checked for OpenAL. Downlod, install, make a copy to the UT directory (don't ask why, it just wants it that way), and done.

    Unfortunately performance on UT seems to be slower on OpenGL than DirectX (I have an aging Geforce 4MX here so performance drops are noticeable). Desktop effects were nice when I first turned them on, but I've turned them back off now for the sake of responsiveness. Still, it's useful for a computer I only really intend to use for internet / documents and stuff. Certainly better than throwing the old PC away or having to buy a new copy of Windows (Vista would probably run a lot slower).

    I like the whole "Keyring" thing as well. All passwords stored in a master file, so I only need to remember the Keyring password when I want to access the wi-fi network (as opposed to typing in the Hex key / passphrase).

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  • DarmakDarmak RAGE vympyvvhyc vyctyvyRegistered User regular
    edited July 2007
    subedii wrote: »
    So yeah, I've been using Ubuntu for about a week now and it seems decent. Haven't really played around with it too much, aside from adding in stuff here and there. Synaptic is VERY intuitive and useful, I have to say.

    I just installed UT2004 (which was a pain, as it was the Midway Anthology which didn't have the native linux installer on it). Was missing an openAL driver, and instead of having to hunt around the internet to find it, simply loaded up Synaptic and checked for OpenAL. Downlod, install, make a copy to the UT directory (don't ask why, it just wants it that way), and done.

    Unfortunately performance on UT seems to be slower on OpenGL than DirectX (I have an aging Geforce 4MX here so performance drops are noticeable). Desktop effects were nice when I first turned them on, but I've turned them back off now for the sake of responsiveness. Still, it's useful for a computer I only really intend to use for internet / documents and stuff. Certainly better than throwing the old PC away or having to buy a new copy of Windows (Vista would probably run a lot slower).

    I like the whole "Keyring" thing as well. All passwords stored in a master file, so I only need to remember the Keyring password when I want to access the wi-fi network (as opposed to typing in the Hex key / passphrase).

    You really thought performance on UT2k4 seemed slower? I thought it was just as fast as DirectX, if perhaps not a bit faster. Of course, you say it's an old PC? Perhaps that's why it's slower for you, unless the same machine ran it faster in which case I have no clue.

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  • CheezyCheezy Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Does anyone know how to install a parallel port gamepad in Ubuntu? I tried asking this on ubuntuforums.org, but I haven't got any responses.

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  • FremFrem Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    subedii wrote: »
    Unfortunately performance on UT seems to be slower on OpenGL than DirectX (I have an aging Geforce 4MX here so performance drops are noticeable).

    It definitely is for me, but I'm using a crappy ATi card. I'm surprised NVIDIA would have the same issue. How much slower is it? Like, "I'm using a computer 5 years old" slower?

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  • MonoxideMonoxide Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited July 2007
    Darmak wrote: »
    halkun wrote: »
    Killhouse wrote: »

    Are there any programs that could allow me to read web pages in pure text based formats? For example, these forums in a terminal only.

    "Links" is a good one (Screenshot)

    I think it's pretty feature rich for a text web browser ^_^

    "tron os japan"? lol, awesome.

    Actually, a text web browser is awesome period, I don't know why. Would it work with Ubuntu as well?

    I think Links is installed in Ubuntu by default. Type "links" or "links2" in a terminal window.

    Monoxide on
  • DaedalusDaedalus Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Darmak wrote: »
    subedii wrote: »
    So yeah, I've been using Ubuntu for about a week now and it seems decent. Haven't really played around with it too much, aside from adding in stuff here and there. Synaptic is VERY intuitive and useful, I have to say.

    I just installed UT2004 (which was a pain, as it was the Midway Anthology which didn't have the native linux installer on it). Was missing an openAL driver, and instead of having to hunt around the internet to find it, simply loaded up Synaptic and checked for OpenAL. Downlod, install, make a copy to the UT directory (don't ask why, it just wants it that way), and done.

    Unfortunately performance on UT seems to be slower on OpenGL than DirectX (I have an aging Geforce 4MX here so performance drops are noticeable). Desktop effects were nice when I first turned them on, but I've turned them back off now for the sake of responsiveness. Still, it's useful for a computer I only really intend to use for internet / documents and stuff. Certainly better than throwing the old PC away or having to buy a new copy of Windows (Vista would probably run a lot slower).

    I like the whole "Keyring" thing as well. All passwords stored in a master file, so I only need to remember the Keyring password when I want to access the wi-fi network (as opposed to typing in the Hex key / passphrase).

    You really thought performance on UT2k4 seemed slower? I thought it was just as fast as DirectX, if perhaps not a bit faster. Of course, you say it's an old PC? Perhaps that's why it's slower for you, unless the same machine ran it faster in which case I have no clue.

    Some graphics cards are better with OpenGL and some are better with DirectX. It's just the way things work.

    also: Hey, so I'm thinking of installing the Ubuntu 7.10 beta. What new stuff does it add? I hear it's using Gnash for flash anims by default now. Does Gnash actually work and everything? I mean, a year ago, when I last checked, it was useless. Did I miss something?

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  • Zilla360Zilla360 21st Century. |She/Her| Trans* Woman In Aviators Firing A Bazooka. ⚛️Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Cheezy wrote: »
    Does anyone know how to install a parallel port gamepad in Ubuntu? I tried asking this on ubuntuforums.org, but I haven't got any responses.
    You'd probably be better off just buying an ordinary USB gamepad, like the Xbox 360 controller.
    I don't think the kernel supports much beyond gameport and USB devices (joydev driver/kernel module).

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  • Zilla360Zilla360 21st Century. |She/Her| Trans* Woman In Aviators Firing A Bazooka. ⚛️Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Monoxide wrote: »
    Darmak wrote: »
    halkun wrote: »
    Killhouse wrote: »

    Are there any programs that could allow me to read web pages in pure text based formats? For example, these forums in a terminal only.

    "Links" is a good one (Screenshot)

    I think it's pretty feature rich for a text web browser ^_^

    "tron os japan"? lol, awesome.

    Actually, a text web browser is awesome period, I don't know why. Would it work with Ubuntu as well?

    I think Links is installed in Ubuntu by default. Type "links" or "links2" in a terminal window.
    Or if it isn't just type "sudo apt-get install elinks" to browse your porn in ASCII format. :P

    Edit: http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/web/elinks

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  • DarmakDarmak RAGE vympyvvhyc vyctyvyRegistered User regular
    edited July 2007
    I founds links through aptitude, and I've been using it occasionally to browse the web. There's no use for it at all, but it's sure fun. :)

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  • DigDug2000DigDug2000 Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Darmak wrote: »
    subedii wrote: »
    So yeah, I've been using Ubuntu for about a week now and it seems decent. Haven't really played around with it too much, aside from adding in stuff here and there. Synaptic is VERY intuitive and useful, I have to say.

    I just installed UT2004 (which was a pain, as it was the Midway Anthology which didn't have the native linux installer on it). Was missing an openAL driver, and instead of having to hunt around the internet to find it, simply loaded up Synaptic and checked for OpenAL. Downlod, install, make a copy to the UT directory (don't ask why, it just wants it that way), and done.

    Unfortunately performance on UT seems to be slower on OpenGL than DirectX (I have an aging Geforce 4MX here so performance drops are noticeable). Desktop effects were nice when I first turned them on, but I've turned them back off now for the sake of responsiveness. Still, it's useful for a computer I only really intend to use for internet / documents and stuff. Certainly better than throwing the old PC away or having to buy a new copy of Windows (Vista would probably run a lot slower).

    I like the whole "Keyring" thing as well. All passwords stored in a master file, so I only need to remember the Keyring password when I want to access the wi-fi network (as opposed to typing in the Hex key / passphrase).

    You really thought performance on UT2k4 seemed slower? I thought it was just as fast as DirectX, if perhaps not a bit faster. Of course, you say it's an old PC? Perhaps that's why it's slower for you, unless the same machine ran it faster in which case I have no clue.

    Some graphics cards are better with OpenGL and some are better with DirectX. It's just the way things work.

    also: Hey, so I'm thinking of installing the Ubuntu 7.10 beta. What new stuff does it add? I hear it's using Gnash for flash anims by default now. Does Gnash actually work and everything? I mean, a year ago, when I last checked, it was useless. Did I miss something?
    I've always been a bit curious about this. Surely it has more to do with the drivers than the card. The difference in actual calls to the card between DirectX and OpenGL can't be that different. Its just how the drivers handle those calls, right?

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  • DaedalusDaedalus Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    DigDug2000 wrote: »
    Darmak wrote: »
    subedii wrote: »
    So yeah, I've been using Ubuntu for about a week now and it seems decent. Haven't really played around with it too much, aside from adding in stuff here and there. Synaptic is VERY intuitive and useful, I have to say.

    I just installed UT2004 (which was a pain, as it was the Midway Anthology which didn't have the native linux installer on it). Was missing an openAL driver, and instead of having to hunt around the internet to find it, simply loaded up Synaptic and checked for OpenAL. Downlod, install, make a copy to the UT directory (don't ask why, it just wants it that way), and done.

    Unfortunately performance on UT seems to be slower on OpenGL than DirectX (I have an aging Geforce 4MX here so performance drops are noticeable). Desktop effects were nice when I first turned them on, but I've turned them back off now for the sake of responsiveness. Still, it's useful for a computer I only really intend to use for internet / documents and stuff. Certainly better than throwing the old PC away or having to buy a new copy of Windows (Vista would probably run a lot slower).

    I like the whole "Keyring" thing as well. All passwords stored in a master file, so I only need to remember the Keyring password when I want to access the wi-fi network (as opposed to typing in the Hex key / passphrase).

    You really thought performance on UT2k4 seemed slower? I thought it was just as fast as DirectX, if perhaps not a bit faster. Of course, you say it's an old PC? Perhaps that's why it's slower for you, unless the same machine ran it faster in which case I have no clue.

    Some graphics cards are better with OpenGL and some are better with DirectX. It's just the way things work.

    also: Hey, so I'm thinking of installing the Ubuntu 7.10 beta. What new stuff does it add? I hear it's using Gnash for flash anims by default now. Does Gnash actually work and everything? I mean, a year ago, when I last checked, it was useless. Did I miss something?
    I've always been a bit curious about this. Surely it has more to do with the drivers than the card. The difference in actual calls to the card between DirectX and OpenGL can't be that different. Its just how the drivers handle those calls, right?

    No, part of it is actually just that the card's architecture is more suited to one or the other type of call. I know that the Geforce cards (at least from the FX until the 7 series, dunno about the crazy new unified shader ones) did better with OpenGL no matter what drivers they were using, and ATi was the other way around.

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  • DarmakDarmak RAGE vympyvvhyc vyctyvyRegistered User regular
    edited July 2007
    DigDug2000 wrote: »
    Darmak wrote: »
    subedii wrote: »
    So yeah, I've been using Ubuntu for about a week now and it seems decent. Haven't really played around with it too much, aside from adding in stuff here and there. Synaptic is VERY intuitive and useful, I have to say.

    I just installed UT2004 (which was a pain, as it was the Midway Anthology which didn't have the native linux installer on it). Was missing an openAL driver, and instead of having to hunt around the internet to find it, simply loaded up Synaptic and checked for OpenAL. Downlod, install, make a copy to the UT directory (don't ask why, it just wants it that way), and done.

    Unfortunately performance on UT seems to be slower on OpenGL than DirectX (I have an aging Geforce 4MX here so performance drops are noticeable). Desktop effects were nice when I first turned them on, but I've turned them back off now for the sake of responsiveness. Still, it's useful for a computer I only really intend to use for internet / documents and stuff. Certainly better than throwing the old PC away or having to buy a new copy of Windows (Vista would probably run a lot slower).

    I like the whole "Keyring" thing as well. All passwords stored in a master file, so I only need to remember the Keyring password when I want to access the wi-fi network (as opposed to typing in the Hex key / passphrase).

    You really thought performance on UT2k4 seemed slower? I thought it was just as fast as DirectX, if perhaps not a bit faster. Of course, you say it's an old PC? Perhaps that's why it's slower for you, unless the same machine ran it faster in which case I have no clue.

    Some graphics cards are better with OpenGL and some are better with DirectX. It's just the way things work.

    also: Hey, so I'm thinking of installing the Ubuntu 7.10 beta. What new stuff does it add? I hear it's using Gnash for flash anims by default now. Does Gnash actually work and everything? I mean, a year ago, when I last checked, it was useless. Did I miss something?
    I've always been a bit curious about this. Surely it has more to do with the drivers than the card. The difference in actual calls to the card between DirectX and OpenGL can't be that different. Its just how the drivers handle those calls, right?

    No, part of it is actually just that the card's architecture is more suited to one or the other type of call. I know that the Geforce cards (at least from the FX until the 7 series, dunno about the crazy new unified shader ones) did better with OpenGL no matter what drivers they were using, and ATi was the other way around.

    But see, I'm using an ATI card and it's smooth as silk. Granted, this machine is only a few months old (while UT2k4 is 3 years old) so it could just overpower the game, but still. :lol:

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  • DaedalusDaedalus Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Darmak wrote: »
    DigDug2000 wrote: »
    Darmak wrote: »
    subedii wrote: »
    So yeah, I've been using Ubuntu for about a week now and it seems decent. Haven't really played around with it too much, aside from adding in stuff here and there. Synaptic is VERY intuitive and useful, I have to say.

    I just installed UT2004 (which was a pain, as it was the Midway Anthology which didn't have the native linux installer on it). Was missing an openAL driver, and instead of having to hunt around the internet to find it, simply loaded up Synaptic and checked for OpenAL. Downlod, install, make a copy to the UT directory (don't ask why, it just wants it that way), and done.

    Unfortunately performance on UT seems to be slower on OpenGL than DirectX (I have an aging Geforce 4MX here so performance drops are noticeable). Desktop effects were nice when I first turned them on, but I've turned them back off now for the sake of responsiveness. Still, it's useful for a computer I only really intend to use for internet / documents and stuff. Certainly better than throwing the old PC away or having to buy a new copy of Windows (Vista would probably run a lot slower).

    I like the whole "Keyring" thing as well. All passwords stored in a master file, so I only need to remember the Keyring password when I want to access the wi-fi network (as opposed to typing in the Hex key / passphrase).

    You really thought performance on UT2k4 seemed slower? I thought it was just as fast as DirectX, if perhaps not a bit faster. Of course, you say it's an old PC? Perhaps that's why it's slower for you, unless the same machine ran it faster in which case I have no clue.

    Some graphics cards are better with OpenGL and some are better with DirectX. It's just the way things work.

    also: Hey, so I'm thinking of installing the Ubuntu 7.10 beta. What new stuff does it add? I hear it's using Gnash for flash anims by default now. Does Gnash actually work and everything? I mean, a year ago, when I last checked, it was useless. Did I miss something?
    I've always been a bit curious about this. Surely it has more to do with the drivers than the card. The difference in actual calls to the card between DirectX and OpenGL can't be that different. Its just how the drivers handle those calls, right?

    No, part of it is actually just that the card's architecture is more suited to one or the other type of call. I know that the Geforce cards (at least from the FX until the 7 series, dunno about the crazy new unified shader ones) did better with OpenGL no matter what drivers they were using, and ATi was the other way around.

    But see, I'm using an ATI card and it's smooth as silk. Granted, this machine is only a few months old (while UT2k4 is 3 years old) so it could just overpower the game, but still. :lol:

    That's probably it, and if you benchmarked it (and kept idle processes/memory use the same) you'd probaby get higher framerates in Windows than in Linux. Of course, the difference between 140 FPS and 160 FPS is pretty much academic.

    Anyway: Ubuntu 7.10 beta: should I try it? Anybody else here using it?

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  • MonoxideMonoxide Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited July 2007
    Darmak wrote: »
    I founds links through aptitude, and I've been using it occasionally to browse the web. There's no use for it at all, but it's sure fun. :)

    There's certainly a use for it when your x server breaks and you need to check some documentation.

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  • DarmakDarmak RAGE vympyvvhyc vyctyvyRegistered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Monoxide wrote: »
    Darmak wrote: »
    I founds links through aptitude, and I've been using it occasionally to browse the web. There's no use for it at all, but it's sure fun. :)

    There's certainly a use for it when your x server breaks and you need to check some documentation.

    Well, I guess that's true but I honestly don't see that happening. :)

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  • MKRMKR Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Darmak wrote: »
    Monoxide wrote: »
    Darmak wrote: »
    I founds links through aptitude, and I've been using it occasionally to browse the web. There's no use for it at all, but it's sure fun. :)

    There's certainly a use for it when your x server breaks and you need to check some documentation.

    Well, I guess that's true but I honestly don't see that happening. :)

    It used to happen a lot more. :P

    Linux has come a long way in the last 3 years.

    MKR on
  • CheezyCheezy Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Zilla360 wrote: »
    Cheezy wrote: »
    Does anyone know how to install a parallel port gamepad in Ubuntu? I tried asking this on ubuntuforums.org, but I haven't got any responses.
    You'd probably be better off just buying an ordinary USB gamepad, like the Xbox 360 controller.
    I don't think the kernel supports much beyond gameport and USB devices (joydev driver/kernel module).

    When I googled it, I found things like this: http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~vojtech/input/

    I just don't know how to use it. It's all gibberish to me.

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  • VeegeezeeVeegeezee Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Monoxide wrote: »
    Darmak wrote: »
    halkun wrote: »
    Killhouse wrote: »

    Are there any programs that could allow me to read web pages in pure text based formats? For example, these forums in a terminal only.

    "Links" is a good one (Screenshot)

    I think it's pretty feature rich for a text web browser ^_^

    "tron os japan"? lol, awesome.

    Actually, a text web browser is awesome period, I don't know why. Would it work with Ubuntu as well?

    I think Links is installed in Ubuntu by default. Type "links" or "links2" in a terminal window.

    So you guys use 'links' and not 'lynx', huh? What's the difference?

    edit: Nevermind, I can check it out. What I am curious about, though, is why lynx isn't in the Ubuntu package list.

    edit2: I'm incompetent. It's in there.

    Veegeezee on
  • DarmakDarmak RAGE vympyvvhyc vyctyvyRegistered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Veegeezee wrote: »
    Monoxide wrote: »
    Darmak wrote: »
    halkun wrote: »
    Killhouse wrote: »

    Are there any programs that could allow me to read web pages in pure text based formats? For example, these forums in a terminal only.

    "Links" is a good one (Screenshot)

    I think it's pretty feature rich for a text web browser ^_^

    "tron os japan"? lol, awesome.

    Actually, a text web browser is awesome period, I don't know why. Would it work with Ubuntu as well?

    I think Links is installed in Ubuntu by default. Type "links" or "links2" in a terminal window.

    So you guys use 'links' and not 'lynx', huh? What's the difference?

    edit: Nevermind, I can check it out. What I am curious about, though, is why lynx isn't in the Ubuntu package list.

    edit2: I'm incompetent. It's in there.

    Yeah, I found links, links2, and lynx in the package list just by searching for "links". That search function is pretty damn good at finding what I'm looking for (unless it doesn't exist, of course).

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  • Mr_GrinchMr_Grinch Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Will be installing Linux in just over a week, all this discussion is helping, so cheers guys :D

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  • VeegeezeeVeegeezee Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Darmak wrote: »
    Veegeezee wrote: »
    So you guys use 'links' and not 'lynx', huh? What's the difference?

    edit: Nevermind, I can check it out. What I am curious about, though, is why lynx isn't in the Ubuntu package list.

    edit2: I'm incompetent. It's in there.

    Yeah, I found links, links2, and lynx in the package list just by searching for "links". That search function is pretty damn good at finding what I'm looking for (unless it doesn't exist, of course).

    I don't actually use Ubuntu, so I was looking at the website. :P

    Veegeezee on
  • MKRMKR Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Darmak wrote: »
    Veegeezee wrote: »
    Monoxide wrote: »
    Darmak wrote: »
    halkun wrote: »
    Killhouse wrote: »

    Are there any programs that could allow me to read web pages in pure text based formats? For example, these forums in a terminal only.

    "Links" is a good one (Screenshot)

    I think it's pretty feature rich for a text web browser ^_^

    "tron os japan"? lol, awesome.

    Actually, a text web browser is awesome period, I don't know why. Would it work with Ubuntu as well?

    I think Links is installed in Ubuntu by default. Type "links" or "links2" in a terminal window.

    So you guys use 'links' and not 'lynx', huh? What's the difference?

    edit: Nevermind, I can check it out. What I am curious about, though, is why lynx isn't in the Ubuntu package list.

    edit2: I'm incompetent. It's in there.

    Yeah, I found links, links2, and lynx in the package list just by searching for "links". That search function is pretty damn good at finding what I'm looking for (unless it doesn't exist, of course).

    That worked because similar software (text browsers, editors, etc) usually reference each other in their descriptions. :P

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  • Just_Bri_ThanksJust_Bri_Thanks Seething with rage from a handbasket.Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited August 2007
    Rise from your page seven grave!

    So I just placed an order for a Dell with Ubuntu installed. I think the only way to get the applications developers behind Linux (or at least portable code) is to get the major resellers behind linux. The only way that will happen is to buy them.

    I normally put my own PCs together from parts, but I feel I can make an exception in this case. This is an issue I feel is kind of important enough to make the sacrifice.

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  • MblackwellMblackwell Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    I've been thinking of doing the same thing but with a Laptop, and using that as a primary work computer and building a new desktop with XP for gaming and such. I can connect the two with Synergy when I'm at home, and when I'm on the go or want to lounge on the couch I'll have my "work" machine with me, with all of the essentials.


    And I suppose one of the benefits of doing it this way is guaranteed parts compatibility.

    But hell it's gonna take some time before I do that. I haven't even bought an iPod yet. Crazy I know.

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  • PanickdPanickd Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    I've got Gentoo installed on an old laptop (some sort of Pentium 4 something or other with 768 megs of RAM) and it works great. It's much nicer to the hardware than Windows of any flavor ever was. I used to have Linux installed on my desktop back in the day when I had an Athlon XP system with an old GeForce 6600 AGP card in it and it rocked. When I upgraded to an AthlonX2 system with a PCI-E ATI card I made one half hearted attempt to get it running but the ATI drivers didn't install right and so I wiped it and put XP back on it.

    When I have the time and inclination to run a lot of CLI stuff to get it running again I'll give it another shot.

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  • Just_Bri_ThanksJust_Bri_Thanks Seething with rage from a handbasket.Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited August 2007
    Linux will run on anything.

    Wristwatch? Check!

    Calculator? Check!

    Orbital satellite? Check!

    1000 processor supercomputer? Check!

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  • PanickdPanickd Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Linux will run on anything.

    Wristwatch? Check!

    Calculator? Check!

    Orbital satellite? Check!

    1000 processor supercomputer? Check!

    Oh it'll run on my computer just fine. But I want that sweet, sweet GUI goodness!

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