Almighty
Probably means that you need to be hit by all three types of attacks at once in order to be killed. That's what "Bufo + Zio + Agi" means.
Green
Green took two attacks, probably from two different "types", possibly on the same team.
That means he is either vulnerable to the third "type" or he's "Almighty".
Squashua
What goes for Green goes for me as well. Of course, I know I'm not an anomaly, so I'm vulnerable to whatever type did not hit me.
Shamus
Shamus took one hit of a type that he's not vulnerable to. So he's vulnerable to one of the other two attacks or "Almighty".
Critical
Based on the color, it looks like Wiggin's group "charmed" Critical, whatever the hell that means.
They can't use it now since he's dead, so they can go fuck themselves. edit Clarified by Drez - was a good assumption, guess it was wrong.
Possibly was attacked by anomaly or a special clan attack.
Additional Analysis
Based on the way that SpeedySwaf voted then switched six minutes later (probably voting before he checked his PMs), it is possible that he and Tossrock are on the same team.
Weaknesses
Gnasty's weakness is known to me. He is not "Almighty".
Since I'm stepping up tonight, one of my clan members is admitting to having targeted Green tonight. If you are the other one who attacked Green, PM me and we'll compare notes and do our homework.
It looks more like an anomaly spreads it's influence. Notice that there were two converts. We either need to get the queen anomaly (hopefully killing the children - I've seen this tactic in the Phalla FAQs before), or it will spread further tomorrow.
Either that or it's stopped for now. Hope it's not two converts a night or this will be one quick freaking Phalla.
What if the goal of the anomoly is to convert as many people as possible?
With three confirmed unknowns, the possibility that the goal of the anomaly is to convert everyone it can, to form it's own Clan, and survive. The converted members retain their attacks, providing muscle to the Clan as they convert or kill whomever is in their way.
This is the Junkyard, baby. It all goes down here.
UNKNOWN
Pb
Squashua - Survived 2 attacks
SpeedySwaf
Green - Survived 2 attacks (one by a Squashua clan member)
Fembot
Quetzi
Munkus Beaver
Gnasty
NON-ANOMALY
Tossrock
Based on the four scans, I'm going to guess that there are four clans of 3-4 members and one non-clan Anomaly who cannot scan. Anomaly seems to be an EVIL conversion technique. Therefore Anomalies do not benefit the group as a whole.
You cannot trust your fellow clan members, as they may have been converted.
It's possible if we kill the queen Anomaly, all other anomalies die (otherwise this will be an impossible Phalla if there are 2 anomaly conversions daily).
Since killing the anomalies is a group effort and since Tossrock is NOT an anomaly (for now), I would recommend Tossrock as a form of network head for today, but I don't know how that would work.
Of course, having no scans or attacks against him, we have no idea if Tossrock is the "Almighty".
I do not think the "Almighty" is CURRENTLY an anomaly, but may be converted to anomaly status if found. So it's not in our interest to reveal too many "non-almighty" members to the public.
Anyone who is scanned or unknown may be the Almighty.
As I have independently stated that Gnasty is not "Almighty" (and obviously I am not a member of his clan), it is likely that he will not be targeted for future anomalous conversion. Now that I've stated that sentence, it's equally likely that he WILL be targeted for future conversion (if he has not been converted to an anomaly already).
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I've played too many games with Squasha to trust him when he spouts big plans and numbers.
!query Squasha.
You won't die, but if you're the anomaly then hoo-ha!
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Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
I've played too many games with Squasha to trust him when he spouts big plans and numbers.
!query Squasha.
You won't die, but if you're the anomaly then hoo-ha!
Don't you know by now that when I spot jargon, that I'm a good guy?
Actually, I'm quite cool with the query, as it would prove 100% that I am not an anomaly. Of course, from my perspective, that's a waste of a good query that could be applied to an unknown.
And considering I survived two attacks, I might actually be the "Almighty" (I'm not).
Surviving two attacks does make myself (and Green) good "conversion targets" though.
EDIT SHAMUS! An attack. Nice. I thought it might be a defense. That would mean that I'm thinking about it all wrong.
It's possible that the Queen Anomaly requires all three attacks be used against her in order to die.
And that means there is a true vigilante "Allmighty" out there who can do a kill on you no matter your weakness.
I think i we can prove you're not an anomaly it'll allow you to be a trusted go-between to weed the anomalies out.
1) Ever since Phallanoia, no one ever likes me as a network head.
2) I'm going to be a network head in Drez's Phalla. That's like... KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!!!!
3) QUESTION If I'm not converted yet, but am targeted for conversion tonight, will I query as an anomaly?
4) One clan should volunteer to analyze me to prove I have a singular weakness so that you know I'm not the "queen" Anomaly. I will suggest that Gnasty's clan analyze me, since we have his analysis. Don't waste multiple analysis on me; find the others.
!query Squashua
Tossrock is the only one who can be trusted right now, and if he's converted tomorrow, he can't be trusted any longer. Plus, we won't know if he's converted.
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Squashua: I don't think one specific person has the Almighty skill. I'm thinking that it's a joint effort - three different elements from three different people target one specific person. One whole Clan could do this, but I also think this could happen if one target was chosen and various people, either accidently or on purpose, targeted that person.
I am assuming
1) that there is a "queen" anomaly that can be killed to stop the anomalies (that's how I'd work the mechanic in a Phalla this small)
and
2) that the "queen" requires targeting by a triple-combo or the Almighty.
Almighty should know not to reveal himself to anyone.
Squashua: I don't think one specific person has the Almighty skill. I'm thinking that it's a joint effort - three different elements from three different people target one specific person. One whole Clan could do this, but I also think this could happen if one target was chosen and various people, either accidently or on purpose, targeted that person.
Well, I figured that if three clan-members with different abilities targeted the same guy, that guy would die no matter what, even on day one, which is the same as you propose.
If there is a clan of three still out there, you could all pick someone at random (not me!) and target them tonight to wipe them out. We could have a public vote/debate about it. You know, use yellow tags to call the targets.
Who volunteers to do the killing? Remember, do not name your clan or any members in your clan.
Of course, it is NOT NECESSARY to kill anyone tonight. I just get bloodthirsty in Phallas.
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Clarification request: Since I'm probably the only person in this phalla who has any idea what it's based on, can I go ahead and share my info, or should it be kept secret?
1) Clarification request involving conversions/anomalies denied.
2) Clarification not requested but offered: while no one necessarily has to die, every individual must target someone with their private actions.
3) Clarification not requested but offered: you may not vote for yourself, and you may not target yourself with an offensive action.
4) Clarification request involving Digital Devil Saga source material: you may discuss the source material but please understand that the source material should not be considered a guide to figuring this game out; major portions have been rewritten to suit Phalla/balancing needs.
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Clarification request: Since I'm probably the only person in this phalla who has any idea what it's based on, can I go ahead and share my info, or should it be kept secret?
So, given Drez's reply, I'll share some info, but also keep the warning in mind that not everything will be faithfully recreated.
In the source material, every ability and attack done by the protagonists and antagonist carry with it certain types: Physical, Fire, Ice, Bolt, Force, Curse, Death, etc. The most powerful of these, as you've figured out, is "Almighty." While their are few enemies that are actually weak to it, none exist that can actually block it (they can reduce damage, but they're never immune). For the sake of simplicty, I believe we all have affinities to the most basic types, but I can't be certain. What happened to Critial was one of the more special attacks, "Charm," and may have been a clan attack. Within the confines of this game, I theorize it nulls and voids any attempted attack by the target. Again, though, it's only a theory.
The way you use the Almight skill also has its roots in the original. Strong characters and enemies can use it normally (which may or may not be these anamolies) but when you have your party use different attacks, they can combine to make a more powerful one.
So their seems to be a good chance that the anamoly will be immune to everything except Almighty. Which makes this difficult, because if the game goes on and we lose one element completely, we could be screwed. If true we're going to have to expose our powers if things become desperate.
So, given Drez's reply, I'll share some info, but also keep the warning in mind that not everything will be faithfully recreated.
In the source material, every ability and attack done by the protagonists and antagonist carry with it certain types: Physical, Fire, Ice, Bolt, Force, Curse, Death, etc. The most powerful of these, as you've figured out, is "Almighty." While their are few enemies that are actually weak to it, none exist that can actually block it (they can reduce damage, but they're never immune). For the sake of simplicty, I believe we all have affinities to the most basic types, but I can't be certain. What happened to Critial was one of the more special attacks, "Charm," and may have been a clan attack. Within the confines of this game, I theorize it nulls and voids any attempted attack by the target. Again, though, it's only a theory.
The way you use the Almight skill also has its roots in the original. Strong characters and enemies can use it normally (which may or may not be these anamolies) but when you have your party use different attacks, they can combine to make a more powerful one.
So their seems to be a good chance that the anamoly will be immune to everything except Almighty. Which makes this difficult, because if the game goes on and we lose one element completely, we could be screwed. If true we're going to have to expose our powers if things become desperate.
Pretty much what I theorized before.
Three different elements on one character should unleash Almighty.
It is possible that the anomalies, or at least one of the anomalies, is only weak to Almighty. The possible conversion aspect of this game definitely changes things up, and I have to agree with everyone saying that you shouldn't completely trust your fellow clansmen.
In regards to Squashua requesting my clan to analyze him: My clan would rather not be told who we should analyze. We'll decide that for ourselves.
However, we can easily figure out whether or not to trust Squashua by simply !query Squashua
Assuming the anomalies are only weak to Almighty attacks, that means anything else shouldn't work on them. What I'm getting at is that if you were to attack a someone you knew was weak to something, whether through the analyzer or through process of elimination, and it still didn't work, there's a strong possibility the character is an anomaly.
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Clarification request: What if the remaining warriors are not weak to each other?
Clarification request denied, for now.
its supposed to be a short/experimental phalla.
short means uh. short.
OK, so... here's what I got:
Almighty
Probably means that you need to be hit by all three types of attacks at once in order to be killed. That's what "Bufo + Zio + Agi" means.
Green
Green took two attacks, probably from two different "types", possibly on the same team.
That means he is either vulnerable to the third "type" or he's "Almighty".
Squashua
What goes for Green goes for me as well. Of course, I know I'm not an anomaly, so I'm vulnerable to whatever type did not hit me.
Shamus
Shamus took one hit of a type that he's not vulnerable to. So he's vulnerable to one of the other two attacks or "Almighty".
Critical
Based on the color, it looks like Wiggin's group "charmed" Critical, whatever the hell that means.
They can't use it now since he's dead, so they can go fuck themselves.
edit Clarified by Drez - was a good assumption, guess it was wrong.
Possibly was attacked by anomaly or a special clan attack.
Additional Analysis
Based on the way that SpeedySwaf voted then switched six minutes later (probably voting before he checked his PMs), it is possible that he and Tossrock are on the same team.
Weaknesses
Gnasty's weakness is known to me. He is not "Almighty".
Apparently I've got some enemies out there
I hear you, brother.
Either that or it's stopped for now. Hope it's not two converts a night or this will be one quick freaking Phalla.
hm
Squashua, you should probably get someone to guard you
I agree with Squashua - we need to hunt down the anomoly before we worry about deciding who rules the Junkyard.
(I fucking love this setting.)
How do we know if others in our clan are anomalies or not?
We don't really know yet what "anomaly" refers to, could one be a member of a given clan, yet also an anomaly with its own motives?
With three confirmed unknowns, the possibility that the goal of the anomaly is to convert everyone it can, to form it's own Clan, and survive. The converted members retain their attacks, providing muscle to the Clan as they convert or kill whomever is in their way.
This is the Junkyard, baby. It all goes down here.
Wiggin
DEAD BRUTES
Critical
DEAD WOLVES
PotU
SCANNED
Gnasty - Squashua says not "Almighty"
JohnHam
Neville
Shamus - Survived 1 attack.
UNKNOWN
Pb
Squashua - Survived 2 attacks
SpeedySwaf
Green - Survived 2 attacks (one by a Squashua clan member)
Fembot
Quetzi
Munkus Beaver
Gnasty
NON-ANOMALY
Tossrock
Based on the four scans, I'm going to guess that there are four clans of 3-4 members and one non-clan Anomaly who cannot scan. Anomaly seems to be an EVIL conversion technique. Therefore Anomalies do not benefit the group as a whole.
You cannot trust your fellow clan members, as they may have been converted.
It's possible if we kill the queen Anomaly, all other anomalies die (otherwise this will be an impossible Phalla if there are 2 anomaly conversions daily).
Since killing the anomalies is a group effort and since Tossrock is NOT an anomaly (for now), I would recommend Tossrock as a form of network head for today, but I don't know how that would work.
Of course, having no scans or attacks against him, we have no idea if Tossrock is the "Almighty".
I do not think the "Almighty" is CURRENTLY an anomaly, but may be converted to anomaly status if found. So it's not in our interest to reveal too many "non-almighty" members to the public.
Anyone who is scanned or unknown may be the Almighty.
As I have independently stated that Gnasty is not "Almighty" (and obviously I am not a member of his clan), it is likely that he will not be targeted for future anomalous conversion. Now that I've stated that sentence, it's equally likely that he WILL be targeted for future conversion (if he has not been converted to an anomaly already).
I don't know who to analyze for anomaly today.
What we need is an anti-anomaly-guardian.
Notice the equation of elements?
!query Squasha.
You won't die, but if you're the anomaly then hoo-ha!
Don't you know by now that when I spot jargon, that I'm a good guy?
Actually, I'm quite cool with the query, as it would prove 100% that I am not an anomaly.
Of course, from my perspective, that's a waste of a good query that could be applied to an unknown.
And considering I survived two attacks, I might actually be the "Almighty" (I'm not).
Surviving two attacks does make myself (and Green) good "conversion targets" though.
EDIT SHAMUS! An attack. Nice. I thought it might be a defense. That would mean that I'm thinking about it all wrong.
It's possible that the Queen Anomaly requires all three attacks be used against her in order to die.
And that means there is a true vigilante "Allmighty" out there who can do a kill on you no matter your weakness.
Good call.
I think i we can prove you're not an anomaly it'll allow you to be a trusted go-between to weed the anomalies out.
1) Ever since Phallanoia, no one ever likes me as a network head.
2) I'm going to be a network head in Drez's Phalla. That's like... KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!!!!
3) QUESTION If I'm not converted yet, but am targeted for conversion tonight, will I query as an anomaly?
4) One clan should volunteer to analyze me to prove I have a singular weakness so that you know I'm not the "queen" Anomaly. I will suggest that Gnasty's clan analyze me, since we have his analysis. Don't waste multiple analysis on me; find the others.
!query Squashua
Tossrock is the only one who can be trusted right now, and if he's converted tomorrow, he can't be trusted any longer. Plus, we won't know if he's converted.
query: Squashua
query: Squashua
I'm willing to put aside the war, for now.
I am assuming
1) that there is a "queen" anomaly that can be killed to stop the anomalies (that's how I'd work the mechanic in a Phalla this small)
and
2) that the "queen" requires targeting by a triple-combo or the Almighty.
Almighty should know not to reveal himself to anyone.
Well, I figured that if three clan-members with different abilities targeted the same guy, that guy would die no matter what, even on day one, which is the same as you propose.
If there is a clan of three still out there, you could all pick someone at random (not me!) and target them tonight to wipe them out. We could have a public vote/debate about it. You know, use yellow tags to call the targets.
Who volunteers to do the killing? Remember, do not name your clan or any members in your clan.
Of course, it is NOT NECESSARY to kill anyone tonight. I just get bloodthirsty in Phallas.
You can't actually vote for yourself
think twice 'fo correctin' him.
1) Clarification request involving conversions/anomalies denied.
2) Clarification not requested but offered: while no one necessarily has to die, every individual must target someone with their private actions.
3) Clarification not requested but offered: you may not vote for yourself, and you may not target yourself with an offensive action.
4) Clarification request involving Digital Devil Saga source material: you may discuss the source material but please understand that the source material should not be considered a guide to figuring this game out; major portions have been rewritten to suit Phalla/balancing needs.
I don't mind
I would rather have a query vote than our possible figurehead taking himself out of the game due to rule violation
You heard Drez, let's hear this.
In the source material, every ability and attack done by the protagonists and antagonist carry with it certain types: Physical, Fire, Ice, Bolt, Force, Curse, Death, etc. The most powerful of these, as you've figured out, is "Almighty." While their are few enemies that are actually weak to it, none exist that can actually block it (they can reduce damage, but they're never immune). For the sake of simplicty, I believe we all have affinities to the most basic types, but I can't be certain. What happened to Critial was one of the more special attacks, "Charm," and may have been a clan attack. Within the confines of this game, I theorize it nulls and voids any attempted attack by the target. Again, though, it's only a theory.
The way you use the Almight skill also has its roots in the original. Strong characters and enemies can use it normally (which may or may not be these anamolies) but when you have your party use different attacks, they can combine to make a more powerful one.
So their seems to be a good chance that the anamoly will be immune to everything except Almighty. Which makes this difficult, because if the game goes on and we lose one element completely, we could be screwed. If true we're going to have to expose our powers if things become desperate.
Pretty much what I theorized before.
Three different elements on one character should unleash Almighty.
In regards to Squashua requesting my clan to analyze him: My clan would rather not be told who we should analyze. We'll decide that for ourselves.
However, we can easily figure out whether or not to trust Squashua by simply !query Squashua
Assuming the anomalies are only weak to Almighty attacks, that means anything else shouldn't work on them. What I'm getting at is that if you were to attack a someone you knew was weak to something, whether through the analyzer or through process of elimination, and it still didn't work, there's a strong possibility the character is an anomaly.