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My art and hopefully future profession!
shuma`za
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Hey everyone, I've been trolling around the forums for quite some time but I thought I would share some of my artwork and see what you guys think of my shirt designs.
Looking forward to hearing your feedback!
Looking forward to hearing your feedback!
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I'm pretty sure that both CBS and HBO wouldn't be happy with somebody mashing their IPs together and selling it for profit.
search for "camiseteria" images... a huge store here that do things very similar to famous brands, without paying a coin to the original brands
http://www.chrisb.com.br/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/1010_tam9.gif
Like i said its a very vague legal area. As for mignola the design he was causing such a stink over was a really nice design that while hellboy inspired neither used the name hellboy, mignola's own art work or any logoes/symbols from hellboy. In my opion imitation is imitation is the highest form of flattery and there is a difference between stealing someones work and have that persons work inspire your own work.
I feel like a mutual respect among artists about their properties is a good game plan.
Even if you totally disagree with what constitutes as respect for others intellectual properties, the fact is doing original work tends to really show and expand your skills. These are little more than vectorized mash ups, and I think you could do better.
And if Fairy's issue was that he traced an image exactly then how is your first design posted as available on a t-shirt different since you seem to have traced an image of Jim Parsons and an image of the iron throne?
In any case, if we move away from the discussion about fair play and IP I still have issues with these designs being incredibly derivative. The first one is probably the only one that has a new idea behind it. The rest of the lot seem like you found a design that somebody else did and you thought it'd be fun to copy. I find it very hard to find an original idea in any of these images.
"my spot" is not an exact copy and differs because it is a satirical parody between two subjects. A good case in point would be the pregnant nude photo demi moore took for i beleive it was vanity fair years ago. naked gun took that same image and placed leslie nielsens head on the body, they tried to sue but because it was a parody the case was lost. now if i just put a traced image of sheldon on a shirt by itself THAT constitutes copyright infringement.
Obviously, they are not exact copies... but , design wise all the heavy lifting was already done for you: Typography, layout, color. You mashed up a bunch of concepts together which have a really good technical execution, but are lacking creatively.
Stop making excuses, post something that shows your creativity. How do you expect to make a living out of this if you cant produce original content?
Do you have something that is not a tshirt? A brochure? A flyer? A drawing?
There are plenty of places to simply showcase your work, but this isn't one of them! Good luck out there and I hope you push your work to more original pursuits anyway!
Ah! The swan song of mediocre people not willing to put effort into their work! good luck with your future artistic career!
i'm simply stating that doing artwork like mine and other shirt designers like me doesn't detract from creativity, all art is in essence recreating the wheel.
ok disagreeing with me or not liking my art is one thing but there really is no reason to be rude
Lecturing your betters on what art really is must be at least ten times more rude than that, though.
Dubious legality aside, the images you've "created" are shoddy, slapped-together drivel spawned from the absolute minimum amount of creativity a human being could possibly exert. 99% of the effort that went into those images went into the actual editing, with the 1% remaining being a generous estimate of how much effort it took to actually come up with the idea.
Just because people have made art through appropriating, copying and altering pre-existing images doesn't mean that when you do it your work is immediately as valid as that of those who did so before. Andy Warhol, you are not. Shit, Todd Goldman you are not.
I never agreed or disagreed with you on any point. I stated that none of your work has original layout, typography or color scheme and I asked to see original content in which you created these 3 points without using someone else's work as a template. You later went on a rant about how art is subjective.
Unfortunately, when you deal with commercial design, such as I do, you cannot use the "subjective art" argument as a shield because you are not putting out art you are creating a product for consumers who will judge your work and deem it successful or a failure with their money.
Learning how to distinguish an informed opinion from an uninformed one is crucial to your development as an artist--especially when it comes to learning how to distinguish valid criticism from said uninformed opinion.
Okay, yeah, you don't know what you're talking about whatsoever. Statements like this as well as your hilariously arrogant dismissal of everyone else's opinions and advice make it clear that you're only here to stroke your own ego, which is built on a foundation of derision and self-delusion. By all means, pursue your dream, though.
Just be aware that if you maintain this attitude and level of quality, most of your future career will actually be spent warding off rats in an alley somewhere. Because nobody will buy these shirts. Because they are awful. And you might very well get sued into homelessness and prostitution.
I never dismissed anyones opinions. You seem more than willing to flaunt your arrogance when judging by your "webcomic" you don't seem to have much room to talk yourself on quality of work. I have no problems with people offering advice and opinions but your just a douch with a superiority complex.
Say what you will, but Spex took the time to create something original. And he created it without having to "rotoscope" a photo or two. Fact of the matter is, all of the heavy lifting in your designs above were done by somebody else. Whether that was Sheppard Fairy or the designer at Bacardi, is besides the point. You have nothing really original in what you've shown in this thread. Nothing. It's all completely derivative. So to try to insult somebody doing a web comic with their own artwork when your idea of a design is take some intellectual properties and mash them up in a way that you feel is original, is completely fucking stupid.
If you feel that his artwork is so inferior, please post an original drawing that you've created. I don't care if you use somebody else's characters or ideas. Post one original piece of artwork that you created without sampling 90% of the artwork from somebody else.
please delete my account because i have absolutely no desire to be in a community filled with and run by negetive asshats who think their opinion is law.
We're not out to get you, but you're acting very, very defensive (and unnecessarily offensive) when we're trying to explain something to you. What we're telling you is pretty valuable, too. We're trying to help you by delivering facts! And you seem like you don't want to hear critique. Sometimes, critiques are more encompassing than talking about what's wrong in a section of the work you've posted...sometimes, critiques are more involved with what the work itself is. Honestly, those types of critiques are much more useful, though they may be hard to hear, and hard to consider. But! Sometimes you have to take these critiques to improve! You're not required to make changes based on every little critique you hear...but, in the instance where lots of people (who, by the way, are very informed about this type of stuff) are saying the same thing to you, it would probably benefit you to take what they're saying to heart.
You want to learn how to do this kind of thing as a profession? You're going to need to learn how to accept critique, and speak to your critique-ers in a civil manner. You're going to have to learn how to defend yourself in a civil manner, but allow yourself to consider the critique as well, rather than brushing it off completely. Have you researched this well? Have you looked into what graphic designers have in their portfolio? Have you interviewed any graphic designers you like, and ask them how to improve? Have you read any books on the subject? The reason I say this is because your stance on the issue seems to be the exact same as somebody who hasn't really researched any of this...or if they have, it's been very minor. If you won't listen to us, maybe try listening to dozens of professionals who are doing the exact thing you want to do.
Do you know how I try to improve my own work? I look at the professionals' work (not websites that accept designs from anybody, but actual professionals who have a proven track record in their field, and might even be famous for it) and I try to analyze what they're doing. Why are they successful? What level of quality are they hitting in their work? And then, the very important questions: where is my work falling short, in comparison to these people I highly admire, who are very highly successful? Where can I improve to match their skills? You can't look at amateur websites and think, "I'm doing what they do, so it must be okay! And it must be really lucrative! And I'm probably producing work that's up to par!"...look up graphic designers who have long resumes with big clients. Look up graphic designers who've done big projects. Read books. Ask questions. Above all though, always be honest with yourself, even if it hurts. It's the only way you learn how to improve.
These egotistical elitists are just telling you what any good art director would very briefly think before closing the tab and going on to the next candidate. You would never even hear back.
For the record My Artist friend Danny Bryant is being sued by/or received cease and desist letters Lucas Film and disney and nintendo for these works.....Sooooo.... Hiding behind "hey its art" aint working out too well for him. He had to take down other starwars PAINTINGS he did as well....so best of luck to you. If someone thinks you're using their IP they have all the lawyers and money to come after you...good luck sir.
If you think i'm kidding, drop him a line on FB