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Unknown Armies: A Game of [PHALLA] and Consequences. Village and Cult win!

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  • SmasherSmasher Starting to get dizzy Registered User regular
    I was kind of annoyed at the time, but in retrospect I'm glad I had to get someone's consent to sleep with them. It forced me to network and reveal myself to far more people than I probably would have otherwise, which both kept me alive and gave me a peek into the backroom dealings that were going on.

  • SaberOverEasySaberOverEasy Info Broker Registered User regular
    shalmelo wrote: »
    Yeah, on the night Shalmelo killed us, I was actually going through all the role claims trying to figure out who the SK might be. At about 11 it finally dawned on me that Mundane Dukes were odd/even and yet there was 5 of them.

    Then I realized that Shalmelo had been giving me money everyday. Which seemed sort of weird. But I was tired, guarded and had already set up all the vigs, so I figured I'd just look at it again the next day once I got results.

    Funnily enough, I never got attacked or seered all game (and I DESPERATELY wanted to be seered, what with my thrall ability). It wasn't even until Gizzy on the final day that anyone even came out and asked me what my role was.

    I even had my cover story picked out from the beginning, but by the time I had cause to use it it was too late.

    Also, you got your guard up and running quick, Saber - I actually took a swing at you on day 2 to no avail once I realized how effectively you were gathering info. At that point I decided that as soon as you confirmed yourself I would use my one night of guard-busting to take you out. I just wish there had still been a mafia member or two standing after I did.

    Funny story - I was guarded every single night of this game.

    EVERY. SINGLE. NIGHT.

  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited December 2012
    I was not on night 2 and night 5. I was on 1/3/4/6 and I was attacked 1/4/6 (unblockable on 6).

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    Self-righteousness is incompatible with coalition building.
  • MatevMatev Cero Miedo Registered User regular
    Funny story - I was guarded every single night of this game.

    EVERY. SINGLE. NIGHT.

    You're welcome for that 1st one by the way.

    Bad news about Langly being thrally.

    "Go down, kick ass, and set yourselves up as gods, that's our Prime Directive!"
    Hail Hydra
  • Gandalf_the_CrazedGandalf_the_Crazed Vigilo ConfidoRegistered User regular
    I feel like I owe Saber a straight-up, legit apology. He did a lot of networking to get me 1) the money to upgrade my library the first time, and 2) Matev's 2 sets of books to complete my library. I had told him that my wincon specified five sets of books to win, which obviously was a total lie, it was four ("Four sets of books makes me an every-day double-seer!").

    At that point, we both trusted each other entirely, and I was pretty confident the game was gonna end in village victory anyway, especially if I was able to stick around and seer some more folks. The only reason to jump out at that point was CapFalcon's remark in the OP about "survivors playing a role" in future Unknown Armies games.

    Saber, I was seriously staring at my PMs 30 minutes before vote close, trying to talk myself into sticking around.

    But, never let it be said that I don't play to my wincons.

    Great game, CapFalcon.

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  • SaberOverEasySaberOverEasy Info Broker Registered User regular
    Matev wrote: »
    Funny story - I was guarded every single night of this game.

    EVERY. SINGLE. NIGHT.

    You're welcome for that 1st one by the way.

    Bad news about Langly being thrally.

    That was pretty annoying. Luckily, we both got suspicious of each other rather quickly.

  • tzeentchlingtzeentchling Doctor of Rocks OaklandRegistered User regular
    Congrats village! Glad you could win without me. But I saw my chance and I took it. The alt-win condition for Cliomancers was to spend 5 charges in a single night.

    So Cliomancers could use a charge or a bag of money to guard or to action seer. They also could take one of two actions in a night - search the city for Cliomancer charges (of which there were two each night), or Prepare. Preparing gave you bonuses to searching, such that the player with the highest cumulative Prepare score got the charges. Personally, I never expect to live that long, and in phalla 99% of the time will go for a riskier "right now" move than a safer "for later" move. So the first night I searched for charges. Apparently, all the other Cliomancers chose to prepare, so I grabbed both of them.

    Retaba contacted me that first night, and I mentioned my abilities. He gave me a bag of money and asked me to action seer Saber. In truth I was still kind of playing to my win condition and had no intention of seering him, so it was convenient for me that Retaba died that night, meaning I didn't have to make something up. This left me with 2 charges and a bag. I was in contact with Gandalf, ebum, and TRV in the hopes of getting more money - I didn't, but apparently that night again all the other Cliomancers chose to Prepare. That left me the only one searching and thus I grabbed the last two charges, bringing me to 5 and getting me the heck out of the city (and also rich and famous).

    I am honestly kind of surprised none of the other Cliomancers chose to search for charges in the first two nights, but I wasn't about to turn it down! Thanks @Capfalcon for running this! I did have a blast, and it was fun following along after I left.

  • ObiFettObiFett Use the Force As You WishRegistered User regular
    @capfalcon

    This game shows the exact reason why in a game where every villager has a power, the mafia need to have the same powers or at least be able to emulate the same powers as the rest of the village. Our inability to actually act like a villager is what did us in.

    Other than that frustration, it was a fun game. Top notch narrations and every role PM I saw was amazing. So many cool powers that forced interaction as well.

    Thanks for running it.

  • MatevMatev Cero Miedo Registered User regular
    Saber, did you sell me out to Gandalf?

    If so, I am going to be the crossest with you.
    THE CROSSEST

    "Go down, kick ass, and set yourselves up as gods, that's our Prime Directive!"
    Hail Hydra
  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    Mafia boards @ObiFett ?

    Self-righteousness is incompatible with coalition building.
  • SaberOverEasySaberOverEasy Info Broker Registered User regular
    Matev wrote: »
    Saber, did you sell me out to Gandalf?

    If so, I am going to be the crossest with you.
    THE CROSSEST

    Not at all. Grimmy ended up putting your name in as his masterless man kill. I was QUITE cross with them when I found out someone had killed you. However, Grimmy got your books once he killed you. When we finally got in touch, he offered to give them to me and I passed them onto Gandalf.

  • ObiFettObiFett Use the Force As You WishRegistered User regular
    edited December 2012
    Mafia Proboard
    Not much here really

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  • MatevMatev Cero Miedo Registered User regular
    Very well. Grimmy goes into the Book of Grudges then.

    "Go down, kick ass, and set yourselves up as gods, that's our Prime Directive!"
    Hail Hydra
  • SaberOverEasySaberOverEasy Info Broker Registered User regular
    ObiFett wrote: »
    @capfalcon

    This game shows the exact reason why in a game where every villager has a power, the mafia need to have the same powers or at least be able to emulate the same powers as the rest of the village. Our inability to actually act like a villager is what did us in.

    Other than that frustration, it was a fun game. Top notch narrations and every role PM I saw was amazing. So many cool powers that forced interaction as well.

    Thanks for running it.

    I'm tempted to go one further than this. After seeing the damage that strong soft networking can do in both this and the VtM game, I really think that any game where all the player are divided among 6 or 7 roles are inherently biased against the mafia. It's way too easy to get information on what people can and can't do, and then to start playing to numbers to see where the mafia is hiding.

    Especially once someone is confirmed to be village and can organize and get information, the mafia really doesn't have anywhere to hide.

  • CapfalconCapfalcon Tunnel Snakes Rule Capital WastelandRegistered User regular
    ObiFett wrote: »
    @capfalcon

    This game shows the exact reason why in a game where every villager has a power, the mafia need to have the same powers or at least be able to emulate the same powers as the rest of the village. Our inability to actually act like a villager is what did us in.

    Other than that frustration, it was a fun game. Top notch narrations and every role PM I saw was amazing. So many cool powers that forced interaction as well.

    Thanks for running it.

    I'm tempted to go one further than this. After seeing the damage that strong soft networking can do in both this and the VtM game, I really think that any game where all the player are divided among 6 or 7 roles are inherently biased against the mafia. It's way too easy to get information on what people can and can't do, and then to start playing to numbers to see where the mafia is hiding.

    Especially once someone is confirmed to be village and can organize and get information, the mafia really doesn't have anywhere to hide.

    Well, they did get one of the role PMs each night, so they knew what lies to tell.

    And the only thing that the mafia couldn't do that the village could do was get village aligned kills.

  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    ObiFett wrote: »
    @capfalcon

    This game shows the exact reason why in a game where every villager has a power, the mafia need to have the same powers or at least be able to emulate the same powers as the rest of the village. Our inability to actually act like a villager is what did us in.

    Other than that frustration, it was a fun game. Top notch narrations and every role PM I saw was amazing. So many cool powers that forced interaction as well.

    Thanks for running it.

    I'm tempted to go one further than this. After seeing the damage that strong soft networking can do in both this and the VtM game, I really think that any game where all the player are divided among 6 or 7 roles are inherently biased against the mafia. It's way too easy to get information on what people can and can't do, and then to start playing to numbers to see where the mafia is hiding.

    Especially once someone is confirmed to be village and can organize and get information, the mafia really doesn't have anywhere to hide.

    Spectre did this in my TDS D&D game too, basically. Spectre being a witch helped, but still.

    Self-righteousness is incompatible with coalition building.
  • SmasherSmasher Starting to get dizzy Registered User regular
    edited December 2012
    If we reran the game I'd say Cecils should be randomly distributed among the various roles (Pornomancer, cliomancer, etc. but not the cults) so that we couldn't metagame that.

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  • MillMill Registered User regular
    I'll need to see how exactly all the roles panned out, before I comment too much on how OP the village was. What I can add onto Obi's criticism, I didn't care for the set up where the mafia had to designate two different people for our kills. That had the crappy effect where if we wanted to kill people, we'd have to forgo using other abilities. We should have had at least one kill that didn't have to be carried out by a specific mafia member.

    As for the masterless man thing, we were working with INANTP but he didn't give us the names of the two we killed before going out. That was just a case where my uncanny ability to hit important things kicked in. I'm glad we were at least able to hold up our end of the deal for him though. :P

    Thanks for hosting this capfalcon

  • ObiFettObiFett Use the Force As You WishRegistered User regular
    Capfalcon wrote: »
    ObiFett wrote: »
    @capfalcon

    This game shows the exact reason why in a game where every villager has a power, the mafia need to have the same powers or at least be able to emulate the same powers as the rest of the village. Our inability to actually act like a villager is what did us in.

    Other than that frustration, it was a fun game. Top notch narrations and every role PM I saw was amazing. So many cool powers that forced interaction as well.

    Thanks for running it.

    I'm tempted to go one further than this. After seeing the damage that strong soft networking can do in both this and the VtM game, I really think that any game where all the player are divided among 6 or 7 roles are inherently biased against the mafia. It's way too easy to get information on what people can and can't do, and then to start playing to numbers to see where the mafia is hiding.

    Especially once someone is confirmed to be village and can organize and get information, the mafia really doesn't have anywhere to hide.

    Well, they did get one of the role PMs each night, so they knew what lies to tell.

    And the only thing that the mafia couldn't do that the village could do was get village aligned kills.

    One role PM each night is rough. We couldn't all claim the same role, so many of us had to wait. Which only made us look more suspicious.

    Usually, when I make a game with every villager having a power, I give the mafia the almost the exact same powers and/or they get (nearly) all the role PMs so they can distribute their covers how they want.

    In Phallance, they had every single role PM and could emulate the Jedi almost perfectly.
    In Hunters, there were vanillagers, kinda, and the mafia had the ability to hide among them.
    In Phallacon, the mafia had powers almost exactly inline with the village (except for vote immune Wilga, but he was vote immune so...) and got 4-5 of the role PMs on day one with one more each day.

    Again, this was a fun game, but it definitely shows how damaging to the mafia it is when they don't have solid cover stories.

  • warbanwarban Who the Hoof do you think we are? Registered User regular
    Bravo on running this game. Awesome design.

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  • MillMill Registered User regular
    Yeah, I was thinking about ways to fine tune future games to deal with soft networking.

    Even distributions of all roles or of who has been infiltrated is going to be biased against the mafia. I'd suggest future hosts make sure that people can't easily use meta game analysis to figure out where there are too many people claiming certain roles (as in make sure things aren't even). I'd also suggest that instead of giving the mafia all of one role or holding out for new ones to be reveal, it might be better to assign them their cover roles. For instance you could set it up so that a certain number of mafia members are pornomancers, but wouldn't be able to benefit from pornomancer powers or wincons but would seer as such. I'm wondering if forbidding disclosure of roles, but not powers would help balance things out (it might work since some roles share the same power).

    Based on rainfall and kilnaga's last game, I think it's safe to say increasing the mafia's numbers probably isn't a great solution. I also think the number of guards and seers should be tightly controlled given how too many can easily break things against mafia. I can't help but feel the village might have had access to too many of both roles. I feel letting everyone be a vig is a little more balance, worse case the village gets overzealous and all the special die day one. I've a few ideas to make sure such day ones aren't a disaster; hopefully, without giving the village too much power

  • SaberOverEasySaberOverEasy Info Broker Registered User regular
    @OminousLozenge

    Since you (and Langly) were curious it was this part of the analysis that you sent me on day 2 that made me suspect you:

    " Ignoring the Retaba vote, are Jdark, Obi and Mega usually in cahoots with each other, and/or with Langly? If so, and you're confident one of them is village, does that make them all safe-ish? That leaves me with nowhere to move my vote to, unfortunately."

    As soon as I read it, I said "Ominous knows Langly was seered village." I was suspicious of Langly from the start, because he was acting very mafia-ish. I figured the seering was fairly straightforward. I ALSO have a massively ingrained distrust of seers, especially when they contradict my own feelings. I thought Langly was acting a bit weirdly on day 1 with his lack of contacts and lobbying to avoid the vote. But I figured once he'd been seered, he would be happy to pass off some of that responsibility. As it was, he ended up having to claim a role that I was fairly sure didn't exist (since I was aware of the Mundane Dukes at that point). When you slipped that in, it was a huge red flag to me.

  • MillMill Registered User regular
    I'm curious, how long did it take for people to realize I was mafia? Also was that a matter of not having a good cover role from the get go or something else?

  • SmasherSmasher Starting to get dizzy Registered User regular
    Has anyone ever run a Phalla in which getting enough "Agree" or "Awesome" hits on a single post does something? Maybe that's too obvious to be used more than once, but it seems like an interesting metric.

    The reaction buttons have only been around for 2 months, so I'm guessing not.

  • I needed anime to post.I needed anime to post. boom Registered User regular
    The problem with reaction buttons is that unlike posts, you can alter them after the fact without evidence.

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  • I needed anime to post.I needed anime to post. boom Registered User regular
    Saber/INANTP logs, because it might amuse the mafia:
    SaberOverEasy November 25
    This seems to be a very interesting setup for the village. How did the unknown RNG treat you INANTP?


    I needed a name to post. November 25
    Well I'm unconvertable so don't even offer.


    SaberOverEasy November 25
    Gosh dangit INANTP, it's like you're reading my mind.

    Does that mean you're mafia?


    I needed a name to post. November 25
    Nope!

    A village subset faction. I can win standard village style, or by eliminating every other member of my village faction.


    SaberOverEasy November 25
    So... money, sex or deals? Which one are you?


    I needed a name to post. November 25
    The answer is "no".


    OverEasy November 25
    :P


    I needed a name to post. November 25
    No I mean literally, I don't need any of those. I'm not operating off of any currency.

    I kill folks.

    Sometimes.

    See all of us can kill folks. But only two of us will succeed each night.


    SaberOverEasy November 25
    Hmm, so yet another faction. This IS getting interesting.


    I needed a name to post. November 25
    Et tu


    SaberOverEasy November 25
    I'm a deal maker. I can win with the village, but I can also win if I survive til the rest of my faction is dead or has failed to make a deal that day.

    How exactly do you kill people?


    I needed a name to post. November 25
    I send in an order to the host to kill them.


    SaberOverEasy November 25
    And he just picks two at random to let go through? That seems odd.


    I needed a name to post. November 25
    There is no indication of any other mechanics yet at play.


    SaberOverEasy November 25
    Pfft, says the man who needs to kill the rest of his faction.


    I needed a name to post. November 25
    :D


    I needed a name to post. November 25
    i'm batting 100 (NOTE: I DO NOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT BASEBALL) on competing against small subsets of players within a larger game lately

    be pleasing to continue that streak


    SaberOverEasy November 25
    It's 1.000, but that's ok :P

    Do you guys have anything to do with money?


    I needed a name to post. November 25
    literally nothing


    SaberOverEasy November 25
    Alright, then there's ANOTHER group out there that needs to be the last ones standing.


    I needed a name to post. November 25
    well ask that dude what his name is


    SaberOverEasy November 25
    What's your name?


    I needed a name to post. November 25
    what's yours


    SaberOverEasy November 25
    Avatar of the Merchant. What's yours?


    I needed a name to post. November 25
    masterless man


    NOVEMBER 27:
    I needed a name to post. November 27
    by the way, if you didn't know, langly is 100% mafia


    I needed a name to post. November 27
    would prefer that he remain alive for a bit longer because he can still probably get helpful information faster than anyone


    SaberOverEasy November 27
    Hmm, that's very interesting. Do you have some proof of that?


    I needed a name to post. November 27
    because he literally told me "i am mafia"

    because he wants to work with me to get my secondary and enable a mafia win simultaneously

    and i am willing to work with him for a time to see what i can get out of him


    SaberOverEasy November 28
    I appreciate the heads up. I had Langly seered as day 1 and he came back as Underground. His behavior has been super suspicious though, so I've been generally operating under the idea that he's the SK.


    SaberOverEasy November 28
    On another note: my shortlist for the remaining mafia is Corv, Maximus and OminousLozenge.

    What would you think of putting one of those guys in for your kill tonight?


    I needed a name to post. November 28
    we'll see

    you're not exactly the only person handing me a list of dudes you'd like dead


    SaberOverEasy November 28
    Of course not.

    But I'm likely the only villager doing it.


    I needed a name to post. November 28
    I wouldn't be so sure about that


    SaberOverEasy November 28
    Really?

    Then I'd be very interested in your thoughts in the matter.

    There's plenty if other people who are mafia. I'm happy to find someone you think should die AND I don't mind seeing dead.


    I needed a name to post. November 28
    What are your grounds for suspecting those individuasl?


    SaberOverEasy November 28
    Maximus was a late warban vote and hasn't contributed much. Corv is being weird in the thread. Lozenge has had some very odd analysis that he sent ro me that seems to vindicate langly.

    Who I've been told is "100% mafia"


    I needed a name to post. November 28
    who would tell you that


    SaberOverEasy November 28
    Gee, I wonder???


    I needed a name to post. November 28
    Maximus is an alignment seer, or at the very least a claimed one.


    I needed a name to post. November 28
    Lozenge is absolutely mafia. He's going to have some form of guard. Don't know details. Langly wanted numbers on people targeting him.

    Do what you feel is necessary, but the longer I can stay on Langly's shoulder like this without suspicion the better.


    OverEasy November 28
    Of course he is. I've instructed several of the masterless men to target him and langly.

    We're actually in a pretty amazing position if we can get some viggin done.


    SaberOverEasy November 28
    Do langly and ominous know I'm giving his name to the masterless men?


    I needed a name to post. November 28
    Yes


    I needed a name to post. November 28
    But Langly knew you were coming for him since much earlier in the day


    SaberOverEasy November 28
    Is that because you told them?


    I needed a name to post. November 28
    Langly asked straight up if you were gunning for Lozenge. He knows that guy's days are numbered.


    SaberOverEasy November 28
    no worries. I'm just trying to make sure whether the info is coming from you or someone else that has claiming masterless man.


    I needed a name to post. November 28
    I'm not saying it's not coming from them.


    SaberOverEasy November 28
    Fair enough. Langly's been suspicious ever since I didn't tell him who seered him yesterday.

    What that says about other people is also fairly interesting.


    I needed a name to post. November 28
    corvidae isn't mafia


    SaberOverEasy November 28
    Then tomorrow's going to be pretty awkward.


    I needed a name to post. November 28
    god bless


    I needed a name to post. November 28
    so is TRV the seer because that is a hella "OH MAN DON'T LOOK AT ME GUYS BUT I WANT TO VERIFY SABER HERE" post


    SaberOverEasy November 28
    I mean, there actually seems to be plenty of those.


    I needed a name to post. November 28
    touche


    I needed a name to post. November 29
    by the way, i chose not to fire my kill last night because langly guesses that there's 3 Masterless Men left, which would theoretically mean that if i held fire you had guaranteed stuff land on the two mafia


    I needed a name to post. November 29
    hey bb how's it haaaaaaanging


    SaberOverEasy November 29
    Uh huh. Which villager did you put in for the MM last night?


    I needed a name to post. November 29
    segatai was all me baby


    SaberOverEasy November 29
    Of course it was

    I needed a name to post. November 29
    are you willing to put money on that sarcasm


    I needed a name to post. November 29
    god my hours are the worst because everyone goes to bed so much earlier than me

    here i was hoping for snappy dialogue and tense situations and you're all dozing


    SaberOverEasy November 30
    Sorry about that. i'm aroudn now if you'd like to indulge your need for melodrama :)


    I needed a name to post.I needed a name to post. November 30
    oh hi bb


    SaberOverEasy November 30
    What's up? So what exactly are we going to do about you?

    I'm fairly sure you're a MM, but you've been pretty clear about helping the mafia. So what's your endgame?


    I needed a name to post. November 30
    My endgame is everyone's endgame. Win.

    I've just gone about it a bit irregularily.

    I can win with the mafia, so there's no harm in making them stupidly trust me (Though I suspect that the number of mafia willing to play ball is increasingly lowering with ObiFett's passing).

    And I can win with the village, which is why there's no harm in confirming network suspicions, or giving them information like "The mafia have an action seer" and "The mafia were given full village PM cover roles", or withholding my kill on nights where I know the village is targeting two mafia so that they both land

    And the best part?

    The village can't afford to kill me. Because there are some hard swings for the Masterless Men. You either have two or more

    Or you got none.


    SaberOverEasy November 30
    I have no intention of killing you INANTP. As you point out, the only thing that accomplishes is both of us losing.

    Which eliminates most of my leverage. On the other hand, both of our winning chances go up if we have some sort of working relationship. The last time you knew where the vig kills went, however, the were all guarded. You can understand my caution.

    So lets start simple. Aside from Langly, do you know any other mafia?


    I needed a name to post. November 30
    Nope! You'll need to kill Langly if you want me to find that out, and even then there's no guarantee that they'll feel this working operation is worth continuing.

    I mean come on, do you think they trust me more than you do?


    SaberOverEasy November 30
    You never know. If there's anything I've learned this game it's that people will do all sorts of things if you ask nicely.


    SaberOverEasy November 30
    On that topic, what are you doing with your kill?


    I needed a name to post. November 30
    Haven't decided yet. Let's talk SK though, because I don't think it's Langly.

    The SK killed Void Slayer, Anialos, The Anonymous, stever777, and Baidol. So it's probably not a newer player, it's someone who knows these individuals, they're all established. The question is who would hit those ones in particular?


    SaberOverEasy November 30
    That's why I thought langly. They've all been around a while, but are quiet. Langly needs loud villagers to hide in.

    Also, stever was claiming MM to me yesterday. It made a lot of sense that langly the SK would target him for you.


    I needed a name to post. November 30
    The thing is, you're basing your SK assumption around some form of seer results, whereas I'm basing my mafia assumption on:

    -Langly having the Masterless Man Role PM cover role
    -Eagerly and excitedly proclaiming the ability to work together - while that was with the mafia, if his delight was in simply working together he needn't have lied to me
    -Knowing that corvidae wasn't mafia
    -Knowing that lozenge was
    -Having an action seer result for SeGaTai


    If he's an SK in bed with the mafia, he's in bed deep


    SaberOverEasy November 30
    Fair enough, though you'd also assume that the SK would have some form if cover.

    The way the seer results come back would make it impossible to differentiate between an SK and a villager. Though I agree him knowing about both corv and OL make him more in the mafia category.

    In any event, we'll know whether that's right soon enough. So lets talk other candidates.

    Who do you think?


    I needed a name to post. November 30
    Well


    There's you


    SaberOverEasy November 30
    There is. It'd be a pretty brazen play with all the action seers around.


    I needed a name to post. November 30
    Which is why it'd be great to put yourself somewhere where no one would feel the need to action seer you


    SaberOverEasy November 30
    Fair enough. Though getting there would be tough.

    But you have a point. I know I'm not the SK, but I don't have a great way to prove it at the moment.


    SaberOverEasy November 30
    Accepting that I would be a candidate, what do you know about Erich Zahn? I know he played a while ago, but have never heard of him.


    I needed a name to post. November 30
    Let's pull you back from the Langly idea. Because as mentioned you think that because of seering

    (which is funny given how seering's worked out for you)

    But you should, at least, have a smaller target list than I do.

    The other MM should all be confirmed thanks to kill colours, and if there truly are "all the action seers" then you should have been able to eliminate some more of the individuals playing


    I needed a name to post. November 30
    Nothing. If he played it was before my time.


    SaberOverEasy November 30
    It's very difficult to confirm them at the moment. The mafia is claiming MM right now to try and get targets. So all I have are people's words and trying to match them up.

    That being said, I have a way to confirm them tonight. I would like you to hold off on using your kill.


    I needed a name to post. November 30
    IronWeasel
    shalmelo
    Gandalf_the_Crazed
    Smasher
    Gizzy
    Typhus773
    Assuran
    Maximus
    Owl
    Erich Zahn
    Malkor
    Macallan
    GrimmyTOA


    For what it's worth, this is the list of SK suspects given to me by Langly. I don't know how tailored and manipulated this list is in case I hand it out.


    I needed a name to post. November 30
    His gut goes with Assuran, Grimmy, and shalmelo.


    SaberOverEasy November 30
    I think it's safe to say heavily doctored. Never trust an outed mafia.

    At this point the mafia have no desire to take out the SK. They need the kills.


    I needed a name to post. November 30
    why did you kill maximus


    SaberOverEasy December 1
    He wouldn't talk to me. Despite my asking for people to reach out, he never did.

    Plus, langly and OL left him out of thier day 2 analysis on warban. I figured it might be them hiding.


    SaberOverEasy December 1
    Also, can you kill Mill tonight?


    I needed a name to post. December 1
    in theory


    SaberOverEasy December 1
    Just put the order in :)


    I needed a name to post. December 1
    well i'm saying in theory because the working theory is that he was guarded last night wasn't it :V


    SaberOverEasy December 1
    Why would that be the working theory?


    I needed a name to post. December 1
    because only one MM kill went off last night, premium's not MM, and grimmy's didn't go off


    SaberOverEasy December 1
    I see two green kills from last night - maximus and MrT


    I needed a name to post. December 1
    arson isn't a MM kill


    I needed a name to post. December 1
    for someone who claimed to like the narrations and the lore you'd think you'd figure that out


    SaberOverEasy December 1
    I think Cap may be taking a few artistic liberties with his narration. Fisticuffs isn't a normal MM kill either, but he used that the other day.


    I needed a name to post. December 1
    There have been 3 village kills in one day.

    I know there's non-MM vigs out there.


    SaberOverEasy December 1
    Of course there are.

    But the MM were responsible for the two kills last night.


    I needed a name to post. December 1
    Well this is a very interesting game indeed.


    SaberOverEasy December 1
    It certainly is.

    In any event, put in the order for Mill


    I needed a name to post. December 1
    you're not my dad


    SaberOverEasy December 1
    Never said I was.


    I needed a name to post. December 1
    :D

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  • AnialosAnialos Collies are love, Collies are life! Shadowbrook ColliesRegistered User regular
    So, @Shalmelo killed me eh? New grudge!

  • I needed anime to post.I needed anime to post. boom Registered User regular
    and ebum/INANTP:
    enlightenedbum November 28
    INANTP! What's your role?

    I know you can target The Anonymous!


    I needed a name to post. November 28
    what's yours


    enlightenedbum November 28
    Merchant. I do some neat stuff.


    I needed a name to post. November 28
    i'm a masterless man


    enlightenedbum November 28
    Are you a percentage vig?


    I needed a name to post. November 28
    uhhhh

    you could theoretically use percentage for what i do but it doesn't seem like the best word?

    could you...elaborate more on that?


    enlightenedbum November 28
    An unreliable non-functioning every night vig. Or an odd/even night vig? A vig that does not go off every night in some way or another.


    I needed a name to post. November 28
    oh okay

    i heard percentage and thought that you were thinking i would do like 50% damage to someone ever night and needed to double tap someone

    only two masterless men powers can go off a night (i am presuming they are all kills), i can target someone all i want but it's not a guarantee if all the other ones are using their powers


    enlightenedbum November 28
    Ahhh. Got it.

    In the spirit of comity, merchants can guarantee deals between themselves and others or as an intermediary between two people. For example, I could arrange a guard for you in exchange you would target someone until they died for me. My power means that neither of us could break the deal. Which: neat!

    I've got a fair number of useful powers together, but lack an alignment seer. Seen any of them?


    I needed a name to post. November 28
    Possibly.

    But because they are literally just an alignment seer, who can say?


    enlightenedbum November 28
    I could use that! I have other kinds of seers (a target seer, obviously).

    Why T_A, by the way? Just a hunch?


    I needed a name to post. November 28
    Because when I don't have a good feeling of "who do I think is mafia", I would rather vig villagers who I don't think are useful in the endgame discussion. Because T_A does not post much, he falls under that umbrella! Same with Cythraul.


    enlightenedbum November 28
    Fair enough. Any chance you'd run tonight's target by me so we don't work at cross purposes? I don't have any particular targets yet, but there are a few I'd like to keep alive.


    I needed a name to post. November 28
    I'll see what I can do, but there's more than a few people making suggestions about targets, and I can't particularly say I trust them all.


    enlightenedbum November 28
    And any chance I could get the name of your alignment seer or you could pass word along to them?

    Or more bluntly: has Saber been checked for alignment?


    I needed a name to post. November 28
    It's an every other day alignment seer. No one but me has been prodded.


    enlightenedbum November 28
    Do they have it today or tomorrow?


    I needed a name to post. November 28
    Today


    enlightenedbum November 28
    I assume they're going to, but please have them check Saber. Like half the people I'm in contact have asked.

    Do they need anything? Charges, money, a guard?


    enlightenedbum November 28
    Any confirmation on this? I need to know.


    I needed a name to post. November 28
    they haven't responded to me


    I needed a name to post. November 28
    Langly and lozenge are mafia


    enlightenedbum November 28
    Impressive seer contact work, jeez.


    I needed a name to post. November 28
    hahaha you think it's because i was talking to a seer


    enlightenedbum November 28
    Or whatever. Assuming that's accurate, nicely done.


    I needed a name to post. November 30
    hey so


    i was speaking with saber about SKs, and i tossed in the possibility that he could be the SK playing a good game, and he said that would be very silly because of how many action seers there are


    which


    was a kind of weird answer to me, given that he should theoretically be the one organizing where all the action seers are pointed? so he wouldn't be in any danger?


    i'm not particularly in the network so i don't know what checks and balances there are, i don't know how/if he was seered or anything


    but it was a weird exchange and i need to get it to someone who is not a mafia


    enlightenedbum November 30
    Yeah, I never got a hold of a seer personally, soooooo I'm not 100%. I have a one shot one I'm not allowed to use as "start up capital," if we get super paranoid, I guess.


    I needed a name to post. November 30
    did saber tell you that maximus was my seer


    enlightenedbum November 30
    Nope! Maximus was doing things?


    I needed a name to post. November 30
    i don't know if he's inactive or not he hasn't replied to me in two days

    but i told saber that was a claimed alignment seer


    enlightenedbum November 30
    I had to yank him from the other game and he's traditionally pretty inactive, right?


    I needed a name to post. November 30
    he's not a superstar of activity


    enlightenedbum November 30
    Saber definitely claimed pornomancer to me, but I'm also a Merchant and one of our goals is to kill each other, so that proves nothing.

    FWIW


    I needed a name to post. November 30
    yeah i didn't know shit ab out what being a merchant meant


    enlightenedbum November 30
    Saber is also claiming to be targeting Maximus with the MM. He was 100% definitely a seer?

    Did you tell Saber that?


    I needed a name to post. November 30
    literal message:


    Maximus is an alignment seer, or at the very least a claimed one.


    enlightenedbum November 30
    That's... not a good thing.


    I needed a name to post. November 30
    langly's list of people who might be the SK
    IronWeasel
    shalmelo
    Gandalf_the_Crazed
    Smasher
    Gizzy
    Typhus773
    Assuran
    Maximus
    Owl
    Erich Zahn
    Malkor
    Macallan
    GrimmyTOA
    Saber


    keep in mind that langly is a mafia and may have doctored that list


    enlightenedbum November 30
    That is a long list! I'd imagine there are a couple mafia on it.


    enlightenedbum November 30
    OK, with Maximus dying a green bibliomancer I'm going to 100% trust you. After close, but before narration, Saber sent me this:

    Sounds good. Here's some info's in case I leave tonight:

    The Masterless Men are off confirming themselves tonight. The following people claimed MM to me. They are each killing someone unique

    MM Target

    GrimmYTOA Maxiumus
    Owl MrT
    Premium Phyphor
    SirFab Mill

    Those 8 plus Bedlam and Malkor are the most likely to be the remaining mafia.

    You can trust: Assuran, Ebum, Gandalf, Gizzy, Iron Weasel, jdarksun, Macallan, Underground Monorail.


    My emphasis. You say he knew Maximus was a full alignment seer. Then a bibliomancer wins.


    I needed a name to post. November 30
    no one was willing to tell me what a biblio's alt wincon was, do you know if it was a "last standing" situation?


    enlightenedbum November 30
    I do not. I'm very much concerned it was.


    enlightenedbum November 30
    Four seers total in a game this size, split odd/even? That seems about right? Six would be too many.


    I needed a name to post. November 30
    That gets me thinking: how many enthropomancers are left? Because 3 have died and all I know of is jdarksun. Given that they're the guards, and biblios are seers, that would make me wonder if there are also only 4 Masterless Men


    enlightenedbum November 30
    Langly told me they've been trying to kill me to check if Saber would be the last merchant and get bounced.


    I needed a name to post. November 30
    Yeah, you know

    The fact that you are still here may be the best argument for Saber being a Merchant.


    enlightenedbum November 30
    jdark is also the only one I know of for sure. Iron Weasel is probably mafia, based on a discrepancy between him and jdark and claiming the same role.


    I needed a name to post. November 30
    Iron Weasel's dead, died green


    enlightenedbum November 30
    I've arranged for myself to be guarded most nights. I'm started to run a bit low.


    enlightenedbum November 30
    Shit he is, oops.


    enlightenedbum November 30
    Who did you target last night?


    I needed a name to post. November 30
    No one. Saber said he wanted to try and verify MMs, and the less signal to noise for that the better.


    enlightenedbum November 30
    OK, working theory of 4 MM has issues then. But since it's limited to two actual kills per night it seems like a mechanic to make sure there are plenty of kills. There are probably at least six.

    Two dead + you + the two that worked last night, no?


    I needed a name to post. November 30
    Right, we did lose two. So we've got at least six (Me, Grimmy, Owl alive) and possibly seven (Sir Fab).



    This may be the most metagamey comment I ever make, but generally speaking hosts like even numbers of roles.


    enlightenedbum November 30
    Yeah, that's why I said six.


    I needed a name to post. November 30
    well we can set someone on sir fab tonight if it seems worth it


    enlightenedbum November 30
    So here's a fun thing. Grimmy claims his kill didn't go off.


    I needed a name to post. November 30
    hmm

    there were 3 green kills day 4

    and "arson" is a bit thematically at odds with the other MM kills and the lore


    enlightenedbum November 30
    The third green kill was jdark.


    I needed a name to post. November 30
    if grimmy's telling the truth, that means mill was guarded


    enlightenedbum November 30
    I'll PM SirFab

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  • The AnonymousThe Anonymous Uh, uh, uhhhhhh... Uh, uh.Registered User regular
    So I was killed but didn't die? How does that work?

  • GrimmyTOAGrimmyTOA Registered User regular
    edited December 2012

    Capfalcon: a very enjoyable game all 'round. Thanks for running it. I will admit that RNG-subject roles are not my absolute favourites, but them's the breaks. The narration and weirdness were well done.

    GrimmyTOA on
  • jdarksunjdarksun Struggler VARegistered User regular
    Our inability to actually act like a villager is what did us in.
    Langly's amazing verbal procrastination didn't help. Dude was so suspicious of me I just had to know what he was hiding.

  • Erin The RedErin The Red The Name's Erin! Woman, Podcaster, Dungeon Master, IT nerd, Parent, Trans. AMA Baton Rouge, LARegistered User regular
    Thanks for running this, Cap!
    I had a lot of fun.
    I am still super surprised that nobody tried to kill me. Especially Obi, since he was mafias. Sneaky sneaky

  • GizzyGizzy i am a cat PhoenixRegistered User regular
    Aw at the end I was the villager no one wanted

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  • Iron WeaselIron Weasel Dillon! You son of a bitch!Registered User regular
    Congrats Villagers!

    Also, I see from the mafia proboard that @Mill mudered me, so it's ok for me to grudge them next game, right?

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  • LanglyLangly Registered User regular
    edited December 2012
    jdarksun wrote: »
    Our inability to actually act like a villager is what did us in.
    Langly's amazing verbal procrastination didn't help. Dude was so suspicious of me I just had to know what he was hiding.

    I challenge to find any game where you would reveal:

    How you survived a hit
    Who guarded you

    You keep acting like you had this reluctant person but I told you everything except that. That's not suspicious, you were just lucky I actually was mafia.

    Not to mention that none of that mattered because saber was just told we were mafia. There was no investigator needed.

    Langly on
  • Zombie HeroZombie Hero Registered User regular
    Thanks for hosting, cap. Loved the narrations.

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  • MillMill Registered User regular
    Congrats Villagers!

    Also, I see from the mafia proboard that @Mill mudered me, so it's ok for me to grudge them next game, right?

    Grudge away, I just wish I could done in a few more villagers. :P

  • Zombie HeroZombie Hero Registered User regular
    I wasn't sure whether to be happy or sad about hitting those two cult heads on the two nights I was alive.

    Until now. Sorry, cults.

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  • Zombie HeroZombie Hero Registered User regular
    Oh, and I think INANTP is a pretty nice grudge target for awhile. Good, i was commenting at the beginning of the game that i really didn't have any.

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  • Mikey CTSMikey CTS Registered User regular
    Pfft. I love that on the proboards you mafia were all like "well, I guess we'll kill Mikey." :P

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