Voyager fell through a wormhole and wound up on a "machine world" where it was rebuilt into V'ger, having been heavily damaged and remembering only the directive "Learn all that is learnable and return home to the creators."
Which isn't really reminiscent of the borg philosophy. Personally I find the attempt to link the two to be a very hack-worthy retcon.
I'm not sure, I'm sort of torn. One the one hand, it is interesting but on the other the Borg wouldn't just soup up a shitty probe and send it on its way. They'd most likely ignore it the same way you would ignore a squirrel laying dead in the road as your drove by in your car.
Exactly.
Fucking exactly.
In every appearance of the borg, the borg ignore anything that isn't interesting and isn't a threat. Low-tech agrarian world populated by an unknown species?
They don't even bother assimilating it.
Crappy space probe launched at sub-light speed from an unknown system?
It wouldn't even get a footnote, let alone would they re-purpose it when they could create something vastly superior from scratch.
I find it interesting for the same reason Jacob just said. I can bite that maybe the Borg were weaker 300 years before TNG and more exploratory or some such, that doesn't really bother me.
But I like the idea that we'll never know who sent V'ger even more. Just like I hope I never find anything else out about the Whale Probe.
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Say what you will about the Borg or V'Ger or anything else, though, The Motion Picture soundtrack is a phenomenal accompaniment to Star Trek Online. I love having Ilia's Theme going while I'm toodling around uncharted sectors.
Voyager fell through a wormhole and wound up on a "machine world" where it was rebuilt into V'ger, having been heavily damaged and remembering only the directive "Learn all that is learnable and return home to the creators."
That sounds like the plot to a bad star trek episode...
oh wait..
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Voyager fell through a wormhole and wound up on a "machine world" where it was rebuilt into V'ger, having been heavily damaged and remembering only the directive "Learn all that is learnable and return home to the creators."
That sounds like the plot to a star trek episode...
This is my advisor. Not an economist. Interesting article.
Fucker took my idea on Arab countries being closer to 1989 Eastern Europe from health numbers perspective.
Actually it has been a thread in a few things I have read. Including some of his and a lot of my stuff.
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hmm! interesting
(what shall we call it, geomedical determinism?)
I will point out that much of Eastern Europe did not fare terribly well.
It is mostly a mix of Lipset's Development leads to Democracy theory and something called the epidemiological transition which is a common trend you see many states as health care gets better.
Of course many of the Eastern Europe states ended up pretty well compared to where they were before the democratic transition.
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Voyager fell through a wormhole and wound up on a "machine world" where it was rebuilt into V'ger, having been heavily damaged and remembering only the directive "Learn all that is learnable and return home to the creators."
Which isn't really reminiscent of the borg philosophy. Personally I find the attempt to link the two to be a very hack-worthy retcon.
I'm not sure, I'm sort of torn. One the one hand, it is interesting but on the other the Borg wouldn't just soup up a shitty probe and send it on its way. They'd most likely ignore it the same way you would ignore a squirrel laying dead in the road as your drove by in your car.
Exactly.
Fucking exactly.
In every appearance of the borg, the borg ignore anything that isn't interesting and isn't a threat. Low-tech agrarian world populated by an unknown species?
They don't even bother assimilating it.
Crappy space probe launched at sub-light speed from an unknown system?
It wouldn't even get a footnote, let alone would they re-purpose it when they could create something vastly superior from scratch.
Is it implied that the borg race made v'ger or the machine race that would somehow later assimilate biological parts and become the borg?
I don't know, but I do know that the actual questions about the origin of the borg, ie: when did the queen come onto the scene, where is their original homeworld, how long have they been around etc etc etc
were never answered in any of the series.
The answer is "The Federation does not know, and the borg aint talking about it."
But given the incredible, staggering amount of territory they have assimilated, it is safe to assume that they were not peaceful explorers at any point during human history. If they had a pre-conquerer period, it was a long, long, long time ago.
Wikipedia has this to say:
The origin of the Borg is never made clear, though they are portrayed as having existed for hundreds or thousands of years (as attested by Guinan and the Borg Queen). In Star Trek: First Contact, the Borg Queen merely states that the Borg were once much like humanity, "flawed and weak", but gradually developed into a partially synthetic species in an ongoing attempt to evolve and perfect themselves. This theme or relation to humanity is repeated in other sources.
And keep in mind, First Contact is not regarded as a high water mark for the franchise and most people were really unhappy with the borg queen.
Also, she could have been lying through her teeth. The borg are not vulcans, they lie all the time, about everything.
Voyager fell through a wormhole and wound up on a "machine world" where it was rebuilt into V'ger, having been heavily damaged and remembering only the directive "Learn all that is learnable and return home to the creators."
That sounds like the plot to a bad star trek episode...
oh wait..
TMP is a pretty tight script, really with interesting ideas and a smart character growth from TOS. The finished product is just trying to be 2001 so damn hard.
Voyager fell through a wormhole and wound up on a "machine world" where it was rebuilt into V'ger, having been heavily damaged and remembering only the directive "Learn all that is learnable and return home to the creators."
Which isn't really reminiscent of the borg philosophy. Personally I find the attempt to link the two to be a very hack-worthy retcon.
I'm not sure, I'm sort of torn. One the one hand, it is interesting but on the other the Borg wouldn't just soup up a shitty probe and send it on its way. They'd most likely ignore it the same way you would ignore a squirrel laying dead in the road as your drove by in your car.
Exactly.
Fucking exactly.
In every appearance of the borg, the borg ignore anything that isn't interesting and isn't a threat. Low-tech agrarian world populated by an unknown species?
They don't even bother assimilating it.
Crappy space probe launched at sub-light speed from an unknown system?
It wouldn't even get a footnote, let alone would they re-purpose it when they could create something vastly superior from scratch.
Is it implied that the borg race made v'ger or the machine race that would somehow later assimilate biological parts and become the borg?
I don't know, but I do know that the actual questions about the origin of the borg, ie: when did the queen come onto the scene, where is their original homeworld, how long have they been around etc etc etc
were never answered in any of the series.
The answer is "The Federation does not know, and the borg aint talking about it."
But given the incredible, staggering amount of territory they have assimilated, it is safe to assume that they were not peaceful explorers at any point during human history. If they had a pre-conquerer period, it was a long, long, long time ago.
Wikipedia has this to say:
The origin of the Borg is never made clear, though they are portrayed as having existed for hundreds or thousands of years (as attested by Guinan and the Borg Queen). In Star Trek: First Contact, the Borg Queen merely states that the Borg were once much like humanity, "flawed and weak", but gradually developed into a partially synthetic species in an ongoing attempt to evolve and perfect themselves. This theme or relation to humanity is repeated in other sources.
And keep in mind, First Contact is not regarded as a high water mark for the franchise and most people were really unhappy with the borg queen.
Also, she could have been lying through her teeth. The borg are not vulcans, they lie all the time, about everything.
Well, the Borg were restricted to just a few systems in the 1400s (VOY: Dragon's Teeth) so they weren't the galaxy crushing plague we know them at least in the semi-recent past.
I could buy that they might be interested in Voyager if it fell out of some kind of wormhole deep within Borg space somewhere around now.
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Make friends with the IT department. We're nice people and don't care. Bribery is a bonus. Bribery will get it unblocked. We know if management asks we can make shit up.
"Oh the ARP table flushed the routing packets and it all reset."
Bribe IT.
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those comics kana
they are good comics
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Also I always though Guinan's species was far more interesting and mysterious than the borg.
They remind me of Time Lords.
did you ever read Peter David's book Vendetta?
it's one of the very few tie-in novels (of anything, Star Wars, Trek, etc.) I've read that I can remember twenty-odd years later. It worked Guinan's people, the Borg, and the Doomsday Machine into a terrific story.
Also I always though Guinan's species was far more interesting and mysterious than the borg.
They remind me of Time Lords.
They were pretty much time lords. Time lords who got stuck in the pleasure matrix thanks to Generations.
That was only two escape-ships worth of El-Aurians.
Given what we know about her species from Guinan, it is safe to assume there were a large handful of others like her scattered around the universe when their homeworld was destroyed.
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THIS IS THE SECOND TIME THIS HAS HAPPENED TO ME.
SHE WAS HOT AND SMART AND FUNNY.
I find it interesting for the same reason Jacob just said. I can bite that maybe the Borg were weaker 300 years before TNG and more exploratory or some such, that doesn't really bother me.
But I like the idea that we'll never know who sent V'ger even more. Just like I hope I never find anything else out about the Whale Probe.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elcgDP7Q_b8
go for it
That sounds like the plot to a bad star trek episode...
oh wait..
(obviously not true, but fun to think about)
very apt
It is mostly a mix of Lipset's Development leads to Democracy theory and something called the epidemiological transition which is a common trend you see many states as health care gets better.
Of course many of the Eastern Europe states ended up pretty well compared to where they were before the democratic transition.
Did you use the wrong form of your or was that her? I'm a little confused at who initiated contact.
But it's pretty great
http://z.mhcdn.net/store/manga/3200/002.0/compressed/plica042.jpg
She's 1,200 miles away. No go.
I don't know, but I do know that the actual questions about the origin of the borg, ie: when did the queen come onto the scene, where is their original homeworld, how long have they been around etc etc etc
were never answered in any of the series.
The answer is "The Federation does not know, and the borg aint talking about it."
But given the incredible, staggering amount of territory they have assimilated, it is safe to assume that they were not peaceful explorers at any point during human history. If they had a pre-conquerer period, it was a long, long, long time ago.
Wikipedia has this to say:
And keep in mind, First Contact is not regarded as a high water mark for the franchise and most people were really unhappy with the borg queen.
Also, she could have been lying through her teeth. The borg are not vulcans, they lie all the time, about everything.
TMP is a pretty tight script, really with interesting ideas and a smart character growth from TOS. The finished product is just trying to be 2001 so damn hard.
Oh shit. I did.
Oops. I initiated contact.
Mental typo. I was an English Major, too. Terrible.
long-distance relationship
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Do I spy a reference to the Mystic Knights of Tir Na Nog?
Well, the Borg were restricted to just a few systems in the 1400s (VOY: Dragon's Teeth) so they weren't the galaxy crushing plague we know them at least in the semi-recent past.
I could buy that they might be interested in Voyager if it fell out of some kind of wormhole deep within Borg space somewhere around now.
but i got all these other games to finishhhhhh
They remind me of Time Lords.
Nooooooooo. Deeeeebs.
Make friends with the IT department. We're nice people and don't care. Bribery is a bonus. Bribery will get it unblocked. We know if management asks we can make shit up.
"Oh the ARP table flushed the routing packets and it all reset."
Bribe IT.
they are good comics
Because they are IT.
They were pretty much time lords. Time lords who got stuck in the pleasure matrix thanks to Generations.
did you ever read Peter David's book Vendetta?
it's one of the very few tie-in novels (of anything, Star Wars, Trek, etc.) I've read that I can remember twenty-odd years later. It worked Guinan's people, the Borg, and the Doomsday Machine into a terrific story.
no deeb no
If there's a lost story I want to read, it's how Picard first met Guinan and why Q was afraid of her.
Basically we need a Q&A style book about Guinan.
Don't tempt me, Frodo!
That was only two escape-ships worth of El-Aurians.
Given what we know about her species from Guinan, it is safe to assume there were a large handful of others like her scattered around the universe when their homeworld was destroyed.