I think we're about five months behind the US on the release date, but Coud Atlas is pretty fucking good you guys. Well worth seeing.
I heard only very average responses, but maybe this is worth a look.
Good even without having read the book?
I found Cloud Atlas extremely predictable, and well, cramming 6 time periods into one movie doesn't really give you an opportunity to approach an old idea in a new and interesting way.
I think cramming six time periods into one film is approaching an old idea in a new and interesting way. Since the whole thing is an argument for the interconnectedness of us all, showing how that works across time as well as across culture is an entirely pleasing way of looking at things.
Yeah except the narrative undermines itself by that exact thing:
Every time period repeats the same issues over and over and over. Far from being interconnected, every single victory was undone except on the tiniest of scales.
I don't see it like that at all.
The victories were not undone, they just need to be won again and again, and each victory was another brick in the wall of the next victory. The victory is not that the enemy is vanquished forever, it is that the enemy is vanquished for now and we go on a bit further, living, free. The enemy does not win because it rises again: it wins when we are extinct through our own selfishness.
It's laid out in the book even more plainly, I think. The devil takes the hindmost lasts only as long until the foremost is the hindmost, and then we're all dead.
I think we're about five months behind the US on the release date, but Coud Atlas is pretty fucking good you guys. Well worth seeing.
I heard only very average responses, but maybe this is worth a look.
Good even without having read the book?
I found Cloud Atlas extremely predictable, and well, cramming 6 time periods into one movie doesn't really give you an opportunity to approach an old idea in a new and interesting way.
I think cramming six time periods into one film is approaching an old idea in a new and interesting way. Since the whole thing is an argument for the interconnectedness of us all, showing how that works across time as well as across culture is an entirely pleasing way of looking at things.
Yeah except the narrative undermines itself by that exact thing:
Every time period repeats the same issues over and over and over. Far from being interconnected, every single victory was undone except on the tiniest of scales.
I don't see it like that at all.
The victories were not undone, they just need to be won again and again, and each victory was another brick in the wall of the next victory. The victory is not that the enemy is vanquished forever, it is that the enemy is vanquished for now and we go on a bit further, living, free. The enemy does not win because it rises again: it wins when we are extinct through our own selfishness.
It's laid out in the book even more plainly, I think. The devil takes the hindmost lasts only as long until the foremost is the hindmost, and then we're all dead.
Except, every single oppressor:
goes on that "there is a natural order to things and those who brook it do not do so for long" spiel. And they're right, because in every new time period it seems apparent that the oppressors have been doing their thing for a while now and are considered the norm again.
My general problem is it's such a boring narrative in that regard: it's easy to be on the side of right when you've made it night and day as to who's being wronged. The far more interesting question is how do we get there (or back there) in the first place.
are long-wave business cycles a thing in your course? kondratieff, kuznets, juglar, etc.
The closest approximation I can get to whatever the hell you're taking about is how Ricardian specialize-and-trade is good in an infinitely iterative Game Theory model. This is an undergrad IPE course that I'm required to take.
I think we're about five months behind the US on the release date, but Coud Atlas is pretty fucking good you guys. Well worth seeing.
I heard only very average responses, but maybe this is worth a look.
Good even without having read the book?
I found Cloud Atlas extremely predictable, and well, cramming 6 time periods into one movie doesn't really give you an opportunity to approach an old idea in a new and interesting way.
I think cramming six time periods into one film is approaching an old idea in a new and interesting way. Since the whole thing is an argument for the interconnectedness of us all, showing how that works across time as well as across culture is an entirely pleasing way of looking at things.
Yeah except the narrative undermines itself by that exact thing:
Every time period repeats the same issues over and over and over. Far from being interconnected, every single victory was undone except on the tiniest of scales.
I don't see it like that at all.
The victories were not undone, they just need to be won again and again, and each victory was another brick in the wall of the next victory. The victory is not that the enemy is vanquished forever, it is that the enemy is vanquished for now and we go on a bit further, living, free. The enemy does not win because it rises again: it wins when we are extinct through our own selfishness.
It's laid out in the book even more plainly, I think. The devil takes the hindmost lasts only as long until the foremost is the hindmost, and then we're all dead.
Except, every single oppressor:
goes on that "there is a natural order to things and those who brook it do not do so for long" spiel. And they're right, because in every new time period it seems apparent that the oppressors have been doing their thing for a while now and are considered the norm again.
My general problem is it's such a boring narrative in that regard: it's easy to be on the side of right when you've made it night and day as to who's being wronged. The far more interesting question is how do we get there (or back there) in the first place.
In class right meow, so I can't go on at full length, but...
A Marxist reading of Cloud Atlas did not occur to me after one viewing, but now that you've brought it up I absolutely love it!
are long-wave business cycles a thing in your course? kondratieff, kuznets, juglar, etc.
The closest approximation I can get to whatever the hell you're taking about is how Ricardian specialize-and-trade is good in an infinitely iterative Game Theory model. This is an undergrad IPE course that I'm required to take.
the long-wave stuff is basically theories of regular surges and slowdowns in economic growth, unrelated to domestic policy; it is required to make some kinds of international trade theories consistent with growth evidence
(it's also very, very transparently epicyclic in nature - there are more proposed cycles than datapoints. its invocation is a sign that things are going badly wrong)
Applicants who type only in lower-case letters, or entirely in upper case, are less likely to repay loans, other factors being equal, says Douglas Merrill, founder of ZestFinance, an American online lender whose default rate is roughly 40% lower than that of a typical payday lender. [The efforts of Neo, a start-up that assesses the creditworthiness of car-loan applicants] to improve accuracy include recording borrowers’ Facebook data: Mr Bathija reckons that within a year there will be enough evidence to determine if making racist comments on Facebook is correlated with a lack of creditworthiness.
Applicants who type only in lower-case letters, or entirely in upper case, are less likely to repay loans, other factors being equal, says Douglas Merrill, founder of ZestFinance, an American online lender whose default rate is roughly 40% lower than that of a typical payday lender. [The efforts of Neo, a start-up that assesses the creditworthiness of car-loan applicants] to improve accuracy include recording borrowers’ Facebook data: Mr Bathija reckons that within a year there will be enough evidence to determine if making racist comments on Facebook is correlated with a lack of creditworthiness.
Ahahaha.
I love this.
There is no part of this which isn't amazing.
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It's amazing until people that have facebook accounts without racism get a better rate than people without facebook accounts. Right up until that point, it's amazing. After that it's pretty lame.
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man i don't wanna be productive today but i really should
syndalisGetting ClassyOn the WallRegistered User, Loves Apple Productsregular
I once had someone I was dating tell me that people who don't have facebook accounts are untrustworthy - if you don't have a facebook account you are more likely to be engaged in cheating or having multiple lives or something.
Basically, if you aren't airing all your shit for public consumption than you are probably a bad person.
I fucking hate where society is going.
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Let's play Mario Kart or something...
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I once had someone I was dating tell me that people who don't have facebook accounts are untrustworthy - if you don't have a facebook account you are more likely to be engaged in cheating or having multiple lives or something.
Basically, if you aren't airing all your shit for public consumption than you are probably a bad person.
I fucking hate where society is going.
This is just the modern version of "someone who doesn't drink is hiding something."
Basically if you're not the same as everyone else it is for duplicitous reasons.
goes on that "there is a natural order to things and those who brook it do not do so for long" spiel. And they're right, because in every new time period it seems apparent that the oppressors have been doing their thing for a while now and are considered the norm again.
My general problem is it's such a boring narrative in that regard: it's easy to be on the side of right when you've made it night and day as to who's being wronged. The far more interesting question is how do we get there (or back there) in the first place.
As to the first point, no, they're not right.
That's just the justification for their placing themselves on top every chance they get. One might as well say the natural order was for those who try to set themselves up over others to be overthrown or beaten, because that happens as well. Not to mention that the natural order they're talking about is a different one every time run on different justifications (whites over blacks, pure over fabricant), and the only real constant is that those who are willing to treat people as things may prosper, for a time. And that Hugo Weaving is a bastard, of course. All their natural orders are proven to be false.
I'd disagree with the second point as well. I don't really see the story of how assholes came to power to be intrinsically more interesting, to be honest. Good men did nothing. The interesting thing is what good men may do to throw them down again.
I think one of the things I liked most about the movie is that, like the book, it is essentially optimistic. It is neither utopian nor dystopian, in that the perfect society never comes about, but neither does the endless night of a boot stamping on a human face, forever.
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Though the Facebook one is dumber because I basically have to deal with privacy hell to choose whether I want to come out to everyone or have two separate accounts or basically keep my current one until it becomes fake and so on.
I once had someone I was dating tell me that people who don't have facebook accounts are untrustworthy - if you don't have a facebook account you are more likely to be engaged in cheating or having multiple lives or something.
Basically, if you aren't airing all your shit for public consumption than you are probably a bad person.
I fucking hate where society is going.
I tend to forget the names of people I'm not friends with on Facebook.
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I don't see it like that at all.
It's laid out in the book even more plainly, I think. The devil takes the hindmost lasts only as long until the foremost is the hindmost, and then we're all dead.
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Come here and carry me on your back to the places I need to go, please!
Also good morning!
when my son starts listening maybe
att i can do 25 bucks a month for unlimited texting, 250 minutes, and then 5 bux for 50mb, 15 bux for 200mb
tmobile i can do 30 bucks a month for unlimited texting and unlimited data, but 100 minutes
*glare*
Don't make him do it
I'm pretty heavy!
Be a proper 20-something
Never use your phone as a phone
Nah.
Go with T-Mobile unlimited data.
Google Voice.
VoIP + SIP = calls over data.
Plus, you can use wifi and even avoid that.
Except, every single oppressor:
My general problem is it's such a boring narrative in that regard: it's easy to be on the side of right when you've made it night and day as to who's being wronged. The far more interesting question is how do we get there (or back there) in the first place.
The closest approximation I can get to whatever the hell you're taking about is how Ricardian specialize-and-trade is good in an infinitely iterative Game Theory model. This is an undergrad IPE course that I'm required to take.
This shit is not rocket surgery, @ronya
In class right meow, so I can't go on at full length, but...
A Marxist reading of Cloud Atlas did not occur to me after one viewing, but now that you've brought it up I absolutely love it!
ah never mind then
the long-wave stuff is basically theories of regular surges and slowdowns in economic growth, unrelated to domestic policy; it is required to make some kinds of international trade theories consistent with growth evidence
it seems to have gotten harder with the post-gingerbread wave of phones
I have an old one, but I think there's something in the early instructions that I'm not catching.
HTC Hero, CDMA.
Ahahaha.
I love this.
There is no part of this which isn't amazing.
you'll be receiving it soon
you will find its contents objectionable
Basically, if you aren't airing all your shit for public consumption than you are probably a bad person.
I fucking hate where society is going.
Let's play Mario Kart or something...
jokes on u i never get my mail
This is just the modern version of "someone who doesn't drink is hiding something."
Basically if you're not the same as everyone else it is for duplicitous reasons.
As to the first point, no, they're not right.
I'd disagree with the second point as well. I don't really see the story of how assholes came to power to be intrinsically more interesting, to be honest. Good men did nothing. The interesting thing is what good men may do to throw them down again.
I think one of the things I liked most about the movie is that, like the book, it is essentially optimistic. It is neither utopian nor dystopian, in that the perfect society never comes about, but neither does the endless night of a boot stamping on a human face, forever.
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Fucking people.
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Where are you getting stuck?
what phone is it? Oneclickroot not working?
I tend to forget the names of people I'm not friends with on Facebook.
They're basically unpeople to me.
wait what
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=581567