Ya my bad, I was mixing up the bunny costume, and him bugging Powergirl just as hard in a different issue ( Also, Powergirl can fly him around space for magical adventures, we can always get more bunny costumes!)
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Have they shown her as Black Bat since the New 52 started? As far as I can recall, she only showed up as Black Bat in pre-Flashpoint Batman, Inc. and Gates of Gotham.
Have they shown her as Black Bat since the New 52 started? As far as I can recall, she only showed up as Black Bat in pre-Flashpoint Batman, Inc. and Gates of Gotham.
The two far superior Batgirls don't exist (or don't exist yet) in the New52. It's a crying shame.
I'm kind of afraid of what DC might do to Cassandra and Stephanie if they get brought back. I think there's a pretty high risk that they'll "Asian up" Cass a lot more.
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Have they shown her as Black Bat since the New 52 started? As far as I can recall, she only showed up as Black Bat in pre-Flashpoint Batman, Inc. and Gates of Gotham.
The two far superior Batgirls don't exist (or don't exist yet) in the New52. It's a crying shame.
Steph was the best batgirl, was the most fun, and had the best interactions with Damian.
Cass was best post-batgirl when she came back in Red Robin and Incorporated.
It's difficult to say which character is the best considering how different they are. I personally like Cass's Batgirl run the most since it has a good mix of dark depressing elements along with the themes of redemption and hope. I really like Cass's belief that bad people can overcome those darker impulses and redeem themselves. That's also one of my favorite elements of Batman: TAS and the DCAU.
Also, Cass didn't do much of anything after she came back. Her appearances after the whole turning evil debacle could barely be considered cameos.
Yes, she does go through quite many trials and tribulations. Except for Barbara and Alfred, the Bat family didn't seem nearly as supportive of her as other members. Heck, Batman didn't even bother to try to teach her sign language. However, despite all the crap she has to go through, she still has faith in people's capacity to overcome hardship and do good.
I wonder how much of that has to do with the lack of crossover to the Bat family proper.
Probably not much. Batwoman is a beautiful, beautiful book.
The Wonder Woman/Batwoman team up was the best thing. And Wonder Woman was actually true to her own title's characterization.
And yeah, it's in the trio of best art in the New 52 alongside Wonder Woman and The Flash. God damn those beautiful two-page 'able to hang and frame this' spreads.
I think Batwoman's pretty boring, honestly, and saved only by JH Williams' art.
I dropped the New 52 book, when it was clear they were doing another Flamebird Is Terrible and Must Learn a Lesson story, and never missed it.
It also doesn't help that we know so little about how much of Bette Kane's past has been retconned in the New 52. Although, if they had made Stephanie Batwoman's sidekick, they probably wouldn't have put her through the crap that Bette went through.
Also, the one thing that I find really strange about Batwoman is that there seems to be a chunk of her career missing. She's trained to deal with a lot of practical and realistic (at least by comic book standards) scenarios like fighting murderers and terrorists. However, as Batwoman, she's fighting all sorts of supernatural enemies. Yet, she's completely unfazed or even impressed by any of it. Pretty much every street level crime fighter expresses some level of disbelief the first time they deal with a fantastical event. Cass, despite being trained as an assassin since birth, was surprised the first time she fought a metahuman. What in Batwoman's training prepared her to fight shapeshifting monsters and malevolent spirits?
I think Batwoman's pretty boring, honestly, and saved only by JH Williams' art.
I dropped the New 52 book, when it was clear they were doing another Flamebird Is Terrible and Must Learn a Lesson story, and never missed it.
It also doesn't help that we know so little about how much of Bette Kane's past has been retconned in the New 52. Although, if they had made Stephanie Batwoman's sidekick, they probably wouldn't have put her through the crap that Bette went through.
Also, the one thing that I find really strange about Batwoman is that there seems to be a chunk of her career missing. She's trained to deal with a lot of practical and realistic (at least by comic book standards) scenarios like fighting murderers and terrorists. However, as Batwoman, she's fighting all sorts of supernatural enemies. Yet, she's completely unfazed or even impressed by any of it. Pretty much every street level crime fighter expresses some level of disbelief the first time they deal with a fantastical event. Cass, despite being trained as an assassin since birth, was surprised the first time she fought a metahuman. What in Batwoman's training prepared her to fight shapeshifting monsters and malevolent spirits?
I've read 52 and Elegy. There's really nothing to suggest that Batwoman was ever that fazed by all the crazy crap she had to deal with. I don't think they've ever shown the first time she encountered supernatural villains. I think recent arc with Wonder Woman was the only time she expressed some disbelief.
Also, is 52 even canon anymore? If all the crises were retconned out then how would 52 have been possible? Not to mention how the Question's been completely retconned so it's unlikely that Renee Montoya was ever the Question.
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Now I am in love with the Future Fondation. So now I am sorely tempted to look into FF books.
That means ill have Avenger, Spidey,x-men, AND FF books to buy.
It's too much Marvel. Stop being amazing!
Oh, someone let me know what happens to Damien Wayne please/thanks!
Well now when I find out, the truth won't be able to live up to such a beautiful lie!
and it was wonderful
He was thinking of power girl though.
It wasn't either of those! It was Supergirl, you chowderheads. In Superman/Batman #77.
And yet with all our chowderhead mistakes we all still have a better grasp of continuity than DC
She should've been the Bat-family member he respected most
The two far superior Batgirls don't exist (or don't exist yet) in the New52. It's a crying shame.
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Yeah, that's what I thought.
But I did like Cass
Cass was best post-batgirl when she came back in Red Robin and Incorporated.
Batwoman is indeed better than both.
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Also, Cass didn't do much of anything after she came back. Her appearances after the whole turning evil debacle could barely be considered cameos.
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I wonder how much of that has to do with the lack of crossover to the Bat family proper.
Probably not much. Batwoman is a beautiful, beautiful book.
The Wonder Woman/Batwoman team up was the best thing. And Wonder Woman was actually true to her own title's characterization.
And yeah, it's in the trio of best art in the New 52 alongside Wonder Woman and The Flash. God damn those beautiful two-page 'able to hang and frame this' spreads.
She was a part of Inc. in old-52. She might eventually be again.
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Steph is the best
Damien matches her though
Aren't we just full of controversial opinions today?
I dropped the New 52 book, when it was clear they were doing another Flamebird Is Terrible and Must Learn a Lesson story, and never missed it.
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But either way, the character was strong enough when Rucka was writing her to leave a lasting impression in my brain.
It also doesn't help that we know so little about how much of Bette Kane's past has been retconned in the New 52. Although, if they had made Stephanie Batwoman's sidekick, they probably wouldn't have put her through the crap that Bette went through.
Also, the one thing that I find really strange about Batwoman is that there seems to be a chunk of her career missing. She's trained to deal with a lot of practical and realistic (at least by comic book standards) scenarios like fighting murderers and terrorists. However, as Batwoman, she's fighting all sorts of supernatural enemies. Yet, she's completely unfazed or even impressed by any of it. Pretty much every street level crime fighter expresses some level of disbelief the first time they deal with a fantastical event. Cass, despite being trained as an assassin since birth, was surprised the first time she fought a metahuman. What in Batwoman's training prepared her to fight shapeshifting monsters and malevolent spirits?
Check out 52
Somebody's got to make one, and I haven't read any of this weeks' comics yet.
Also, is 52 even canon anymore? If all the crises were retconned out then how would 52 have been possible? Not to mention how the Question's been completely retconned so it's unlikely that Renee Montoya was ever the Question.
/shrug