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LGBTT: It's Raining DOMA Rulings! (It's for Thread)
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There is just too much damn sugar.
It was like it was soaked overnight in a vat of liquid sugar.
Oh, the glazed ones? I will admit that there is something unsettling about a donut that melts in your mouth. I can't eat one without worrying my teeth are all going to be replaced with diabetes. The cakes and jellies, however, are cakes and jellies.
Seriously though, LGBT stuff, and stuff.
Did you know that latinos are up to 49% in favor of gay marriage (43 opposed)? It's true, Google just said so.
That chicken be well and truly fucked at this point.
Somewhere.
There are plenty, they're just obligated to constantly feel guilty about it.
C'mon lets keep the proper republican nomenclature in place
DIFFERING ACCOUNTS EMERGE IN STORY OF GAY MAN ARRESTED AT PATIENT'S BEDSIDE AT KANSAS CITY HOSPITAL
And some very good bullet points
http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2013/04/12/1857741/what-actually-happened-to-that-same-sex-couple-in-the-missouri-hospital/?mobile=nc
Some stuff that stands out...
Amanda is their daughter, it seems.
So if this is all true, the patients family, whom he had forbidden to make medical decisions on his behalf, somehow convinced the police to go over to his house and force him into the hospital, where they attempted to shut out his panicked husband. Family meddling at it's finest. The husband loses his temper and things get out of hand.
Sounds like there will be a government investigation, I hope there are an army of federal agents mobilizing to put the fear of god into those police officers, at the very least.
This seems like a pretty silly way of phrasing the police's motivation, unless they've got some more evidence. I mean I've done a (very small) amount of bouncing, and even I know that you assume ANY blood has HIV / Hepatitis / Flesh Dissolving Acid. Of course you put on gloves! And even from the daughter's description it doesn't sound like the police used any kind of excessive force, she's pretty much describing a standard case of handcuffing a dude physically resisting officers.
Whatever was going on with his family is one thing, but the hospital is just trying to treat the guy, and if a husband comes in - of any sexual persuasion - and starts fighting in-laws, yelling at nurses, and interfering with medical care, then what do you expect the hospital to do besides remove him? And for police and paramedics to agree that he needed to be hospitalized? That's something more than just a "sluggish state".
This just doesn't pass the Crazy Person Account of Events smell test to me.
But ignoring the daughter who was trying to explain the situation? That's not right. Having worked at a retirement home and having to respond to random emergencies as a security guard, the family is the first people you talk to (if possible).
Somethings aren't adding up, but I'm still erring on the side of "bigots and geese" instead of "general outburst".
The hospital is another issue. They didn't have proof of his legal rights. It's very easy to be sued for violating various medical laws and most hospitals are going to do whatever is more likely to protect them.
Is it a symptom of not recognizing same sex marriage? Absolutely. Do I think his family are bunch of bigots who escalated the situation? Absolutely. I'm just not certain that was the case of everyone else without further proof.
-Yes, in any line of public work, you should always be concerned about getting any blood from others on you since you don't know if they have something bad that can be transmitted or not through blood. That said:
That is bigotry and someone's head should roll for that. I'm pretty sure if switched out "gay" for a gender, race or creed; we'd getting national news coverage about a bigoted Missouri cop being forced to resign for an inappropriate comment.
-I'm pretty sure the one dudes family can go right the fuck off and the police department is really fucked because it's implied that the family was excluded from making medical decisions with special paperwork that doesn't hinge on them being married. Furthermore, power of attorney was also set up to not rely on the state of Missouri being on the ball in terms of equality.
-I get the impression the hospital may also be screwed because if the guy goes there for ECT stuff, then they should have had a record of his partner having power of attorney.
Granted this all hinges on the info, we've gotten, being accurate. If it is, couple people's heads may be rolling; especially, since their removal can be justified by means that don't hinge on convincing a court that discrimination against gays is wrong (like ignoring the power of attorney bit).
battletag: Millin#1360
outstanding.
Yeah you mean that thing that lets me call you a bigot?
It's pretty sweet, actually.
Nod. Get treat. PSN: QuipFilter
Any use of force would have been excessive in this situation because force wasn't necessary, period.
They're proven bigots because any rational person would have taken both parties into separate waiting rooms and forced them to wait while they checked shit out.
It will soon be too late for the knife
I mean, obviously the partner has the responsibility to not lose his cool and start fighting people in the hospital, but it seems very much like the family manufactured this conflict to get just this result.
Which means that the joke is probably on them, once Allen gets out of the hospital. They should file a criminal restraining order against the family and a civil suit, as well. And possibly one against the city police and fire departments.
This is a slam-dunk if I ever saw one.
It will soon be too late for the knife
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Wait, let's do this different. Just close your eyes and think of the most basic news story you can imagine where a transperson is involved.
Did you come up with something like "transperson banned from place of business for using 'wrong' bathroom"?
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/13/17733363-transgender-woman-banned-from-idaho-grocery-store-over-restroom-use?lite
I just have to hope she had the stall door closed.
But yes, this is just another case of people giving into bigotry. *sigh*
Oh, right.
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It will soon be too late for the knife
I think bathrooms should be unisex and we should all get over ourselves.
oh Idaho
Regarding the Idaho thing, welp, that's Idaho for you. Sidenote, there are several devices made to allow CIS women to pee standing up. I remember looking into them when I was doing field work in the wilds of the Pacific Northwest. It's no fun squatting in the scrub steppe, amongst the rattlesnakes.
I don't know what you do but whatever it is it sounds awesome.
(Also I agree on the doughnuts, but it gets me almost as much flak as not liking In-N-Out >.>)
Their burgers are meh, their fries are crap, and they're passive-aggressive about their religious bullshit.
Fuck 'em, is my policy.
To people who hate Krispy Kreme, have you eaten them hot? That's the whole point.
Even so the reason the guy was arrested was because he was literally physically resisting the police.
Look, if a husband had been away at work when his wife's family showed up with paramedics, concerned for her health, and the paramedics agree that she needed to be hospitalized immediately? That's not a breach of power of attorney. And if the husband then comes in and starts fighting with the family, yelling at nurses, and obstructing patient treatment? That dude's getting his ass thrown out, and nobody would be trying to phrase this as, "noble straight man arrested simply because he wanted to stay by his wife's hospital bedside."
By all means follow this story and see what corroborating details come out, but just from comments above me in this thread I can tell there's a lot of people getting outraged without even actually reading both accounts of what happened. I know there's obviously a lot of sensitivity on the topic of hospital visitation rights, but this literally has nothing to do with that. And the patient's family? Maybe they're assholes or not, but they're also plainly worried about the life of their brother. You don't get sent to the hospital by paramedics for being a little "sluggish".
Aren't there liquefied doughnuts in bottles?
D: Leave toolbox alone!
Essence of doughnut?
A folding chair is looking like an attractive option right now too...
Dunk's are more consistently tasty, the coffee is halfway decent, and they usually have toasted coconut doughnuts, i.e. the only reason to ever eat coconut.