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    Magus`Magus` The fun has been DOUBLED! Registered User regular
    At what point did 'gamers' become this sort of cliched, women hating stereotype? Or has that always been kind of a thing?

    On a related note, the only time that really bothered me in regards to a female in a video game was with Metroid: Other M with the total destruction of Samus' character. Ok, yes, technically before that she was a silent protagonist but there is no way in hell that you could conceivably get that portrayal from the past games. Come the fuck on.

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    WinkyWinky rRegistered User regular
    But seriously, which is going to get you laid more: shapeshifting or teleportation?

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    ElkiElki get busy Moderator, ClubPA mod
    Geth, status report on sexism in the gaming community.

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    GethGeth Legion Perseus VeilRegistered User, Moderator, Penny Arcade Staff, Vanilla Staff vanilla
    Situation report:

    Thread Recycle: page 100.
    We keep you safe.

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    SammyFSammyF Registered User regular
    Magus` wrote: »
    At what point did 'gamers' become this sort of cliched, women hating stereotype? Or has that always been kind of a thing?

    On a related note, the only time that really bothered me in regards to a female in a video game was with Metroid: Other M with the total destruction of Samus' character. Ok, yes, technically before that she was a silent protagonist but there is no way in hell that you could conceivably get that portrayal from the past games. Come the fuck on.

    Shut up, broad.

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    AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    whatsherface's videos being boring is pretty hilarious to me

    after all the frothing over the kickstarter it turns out to be... mostly meh and they're really the only ones who care

    that's great

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    ElendilElendil Registered User regular
    Winky wrote: »
    But seriously, which is going to get you laid more: shapeshifting or teleportation?
    if you teleport, you can't even have a sweet car

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    MortiousMortious The Nightmare Begins Move to New ZealandRegistered User regular
    Gooey wrote: »
    my ideal body is my body because i am comfortable in my own skin you insecure fucks

    Gooey has the softest skin since he uses only the best lotions.

    When are you stopping by NZ btw? Actually, don't answer that here, wouldn't want a public record to make the other posters jealous.

    Move to New Zealand
    It’s not a very important country most of the time
    http://steamcommunity.com/id/mortious
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    ShivahnShivahn Unaware of her barrel shifter privilege Western coastal temptressRegistered User, Moderator mod
    Shapeshifting is obviously the best power.

    I may be a tad biased.

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    TaminTamin Registered User regular
    Magus` wrote: »
    At what point did 'gamers' become this sort of cliched, women hating stereotype? Or has that always been kind of a thing?

    On a related note, the only time that really bothered me in regards to a female in a video game was with Metroid: Other M with the total destruction of Samus' character. Ok, yes, technically before that she was a silent protagonist but there is no way in hell that you could conceivably get that portrayal from the past games. Come the fuck on.

    always been a thing. And, if you haven't already watched the Extra Credits video on Metroid: Other M, please do so. It showcases how she had a character even though she was a silent protagonist.

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    InquisitorInquisitor Registered User regular
    Magus` wrote: »
    At what point did 'gamers' become this sort of cliched, women hating stereotype? Or has that always been kind of a thing?

    On a related note, the only time that really bothered me in regards to a female in a video game was with Metroid: Other M with the total destruction of Samus' character. Ok, yes, technically before that she was a silent protagonist but there is no way in hell that you could conceivably get that portrayal from the past games. Come the fuck on.

    It's always kind of been a thing because games have long been a male dominated industry and hobby.

    Of course there is also the need to draw the line between people that play videogames casually (practically everyone these days, my mom owns a DS for the Layton games, tons of people play games on their tablets or smarphones, etc), people that play videogames as a hobby (a good chunk of people) and "gamers."

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    ShivahnShivahn Unaware of her barrel shifter privilege Western coastal temptressRegistered User, Moderator mod
    Though on the other hand I alread have that power.

    It is just woefully slow.

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    CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    The people who claim that videogames are supposed to be fun so that makes it okay for all the characters to be really goddamn stereotypical grinds my gears.

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    SammyFSammyF Registered User regular
    Winky wrote: »
    But seriously, which is going to get you laid more: shapeshifting or teleportation?

    Teleportation will get you laid less than shapeshifting, but more than neither shapeshifting nor teleportation and without nearly as many creepy and terribly rapey overtones.

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    syndalissyndalis Getting Classy On the WallRegistered User, Loves Apple Products regular
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    whatsherface's videos being boring is pretty hilarious to me

    after all the frothing over the kickstarter it turns out to be... mostly meh and they're really the only ones who care

    that's great
    If I was teaching a high school level class on pervasiveness of gender roles in media, I might use some of her stuff to set the stage. Its understandable, and it uses references lots of people will get.

    But it is by no means comprehensive, or worthy of anger. She says absolutely NOTHING that is controversial.

    SW-4158-3990-6116
    Let's play Mario Kart or something...
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    CasualCasual Wiggle Wiggle Wiggle Flap Flap Flap Registered User regular
    bleeeeeeh

    still don't feel so hot

    but i gotta do work tomorrow

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    Magus`Magus` The fun has been DOUBLED! Registered User regular
    Oh I know. Also haven't, gonna see it now!

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    WinkyWinky rRegistered User regular
    Elendil wrote: »
    Winky wrote: »
    But seriously, which is going to get you laid more: shapeshifting or teleportation?
    if you teleport, you can't even have a sweet car

    Unless you could teleport the car with you.

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    Casual EddyCasual Eddy The Astral PlaneRegistered User regular
    Tav wrote: »
    k.a. applegate did another series called everworld that sounds weird as shit too
    Jalil Sherman: The scientist and sole African-American of the group, he wants to find the "software" on which Everworld runs and control it. In the real world, Jalil is obsessive-compulsive, but in Everworld, he is unaffected. His disorder is a secret to the rest of the group for a majority of the series. Senna however knows of his condition and was able to temporarily cure it while the two were in the Old World, on the condition he would swear to serve her.

    i loved that series

    the knights of the round table try and stab loki to death, with mixed results

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    EchoEcho ski-bap ba-dapModerator mod
    Winky wrote: »
    But seriously, which is going to get you laid more: shapeshifting or teleportation?

    Can I teleport other things?

    Oh look your underwear moved three feet to the left.

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    WinkyWinky rRegistered User regular
    Has there ever been a comic run that was just about a shapeshifter working solo? It feels like there are so many cool things you could do with that.

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    syndalissyndalis Getting Classy On the WallRegistered User, Loves Apple Products regular
    Let's be honest. ANY superpower is going to get you hella laid, so long as you aren't an idiot and hide your superpower from the world.

    SW-4158-3990-6116
    Let's play Mario Kart or something...
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    MortiousMortious The Nightmare Begins Move to New ZealandRegistered User regular
    Shivahn wrote: »
    Shapeshifting is obviously the best power.

    I may be a tad biased.

    If powers are relatively common, aka XMen, I'd opt for Rogue's power.

    Other people's powers are the best powers.

    Move to New Zealand
    It’s not a very important country most of the time
    http://steamcommunity.com/id/mortious
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    FeralFeral MEMETICHARIZARD interior crocodile alligator ⇔ ǝɹʇɐǝɥʇ ǝᴉʌoɯ ʇǝloɹʌǝɥɔ ɐ ǝʌᴉɹp ᴉRegistered User regular
    Mortious wrote: »
    Shivahn wrote: »
    Shapeshifting is obviously the best power.

    I may be a tad biased.

    If powers are relatively common, aka XMen, I'd opt for Rogue's power.

    Other people's powers are the best powers.

    Maybe you already have a power-leech power, but you're the only superhuman in the world.

    every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.

    the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
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    ElendilElendil Registered User regular
    my superpower is that i am fast at sex

    laaaaadies

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    FeralFeral MEMETICHARIZARD interior crocodile alligator ⇔ ǝɹʇɐǝɥʇ ǝᴉʌoɯ ʇǝloɹʌǝɥɔ ɐ ǝʌᴉɹp ᴉRegistered User regular
    syndalis wrote: »
    Let's be honest. ANY superpower is going to get you hella laid, so long as you aren't an idiot and hide your superpower from the world.

    yeah, but you may be limited by the proclivities of your partners

    like Marrow's power for instance

    every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.

    the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
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    GimGim a tall glass of water Registered User regular
    Elendil wrote: »
    my superpower is that i am fast at sex

    laaaaadies

    "Efficiency is the key to the 21st century" - the motto to no condom ever

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    WinkyWinky rRegistered User regular
    SammyF wrote: »
    Winky wrote: »
    But seriously, which is going to get you laid more: shapeshifting or teleportation?

    Teleportation will get you laid less than shapeshifting, but more than neither shapeshifting nor teleportation and without nearly as many creepy and terribly rapey overtones.

    That's...an interesting ethical concept. I mean, if you are a shapeshifter and you shapeshift in order to attract someone, is that necessarily more dishonest or manipulative than how people change themselves to attract someone normally?

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    FeralFeral MEMETICHARIZARD interior crocodile alligator ⇔ ǝɹʇɐǝɥʇ ǝᴉʌoɯ ʇǝloɹʌǝɥɔ ɐ ǝʌᴉɹp ᴉRegistered User regular
    Winky wrote: »
    SammyF wrote: »
    Winky wrote: »
    But seriously, which is going to get you laid more: shapeshifting or teleportation?

    Teleportation will get you laid less than shapeshifting, but more than neither shapeshifting nor teleportation and without nearly as many creepy and terribly rapey overtones.

    That's...an interesting ethical concept. I mean, if you are a shapeshifter and you shapeshift in order to attract someone, is that necessarily more dishonest or manipulative than how people change themselves to attract someone normally?

    Depends. Can you maintain that form indefinitely? Do you revert to a "true" form if, say, you fall asleep or stop concentrating?

    BTW, I had a fanfictiony idea in mind for Mystique once that dealt with questions of personal identity among shapeshifters

    every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.

    the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
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    SammyFSammyF Registered User regular
    Feral wrote: »
    Mortious wrote: »
    Shivahn wrote: »
    Shapeshifting is obviously the best power.

    I may be a tad biased.

    If powers are relatively common, aka XMen, I'd opt for Rogue's power.

    Other people's powers are the best powers.

    Maybe you already have a power-leech power, but you're the only superhuman in the world.

    Wow.

    That's some twilight zone level mindfuckery right there, Feral.

    Like the episode with the only beautiful woman who lives in a world where everyone else is grotesquely hideous, and she is therefore considered ugly according to the societal norm.

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    OrganichuOrganichu poops peesRegistered User, Moderator mod
    the tropes videos are so boring to me. i don't know a lot about critical theory- or its vernacular, i guess- so i'm not one of those people who's like "yeah i know all this, so what, old pool"

    but it's just so tv tropey and uninteresting- nothing imaginative, no powerful arguments to sum up the examples, no ideas

    it's just like a mostly impartial video essay presented in an annoying framework with the tv tropes-ness of it

    which i'm sure has some value for some people

    but i find it tragically uncompelling

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    AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    I would maybe hide my superpower from the world, but sure as hell not from the ladies

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    MortiousMortious The Nightmare Begins Move to New ZealandRegistered User regular
    SammyF wrote: »
    Feral wrote: »
    Mortious wrote: »
    Shivahn wrote: »
    Shapeshifting is obviously the best power.

    I may be a tad biased.

    If powers are relatively common, aka XMen, I'd opt for Rogue's power.

    Other people's powers are the best powers.

    Maybe you already have a power-leech power, but you're the only superhuman in the world.

    Wow.

    That's some twilight zone level mindfuckery right there, Feral.

    Like the episode with the only beautiful woman who lives in a world where everyone else is grotesquely hideous, and she is therefore considered ugly according to the societal norm.

    That must have been the weirdest accident that caused that.

    And it happened more than once.

    Or those plastic surgeons sucked really badly.

    Move to New Zealand
    It’s not a very important country most of the time
    http://steamcommunity.com/id/mortious
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    WinkyWinky rRegistered User regular
    Feral wrote: »
    Winky wrote: »
    SammyF wrote: »
    Winky wrote: »
    But seriously, which is going to get you laid more: shapeshifting or teleportation?

    Teleportation will get you laid less than shapeshifting, but more than neither shapeshifting nor teleportation and without nearly as many creepy and terribly rapey overtones.

    That's...an interesting ethical concept. I mean, if you are a shapeshifter and you shapeshift in order to attract someone, is that necessarily more dishonest or manipulative than how people change themselves to attract someone normally?

    Depends. Can you maintain that form indefinitely? Do you revert to a "true" form if, say, you fall asleep or stop concentrating?

    BTW, I had a fanfictiony idea in mind for Mystique once that dealt with questions of personal identity among shapeshifters

    If you're a shapeshifter who self-identifies with the form you consciously choose to take, does it matter if you have some "true form" that you don't have any control over?

    Shapeshifter identity politics, man.

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    AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    if I was a shapeshifter I would probably never tire of doing the gag of shapeshifting into someone hideous when she wakes up in the morning and then going nah just kidding

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    MimMim I prefer my lovers… dead.Registered User regular
    Tav wrote: »
    k.a. applegate did another series called everworld that sounds weird as shit too
    Jalil Sherman: The scientist and sole African-American of the group, he wants to find the "software" on which Everworld runs and control it. In the real world, Jalil is obsessive-compulsive, but in Everworld, he is unaffected. His disorder is a secret to the rest of the group for a majority of the series. Senna however knows of his condition and was able to temporarily cure it while the two were in the Old World, on the condition he would swear to serve her.

    i loved that series

    the knights of the round table try and stab loki to death, with mixed results

    EVERWORLD RULLLLLLLLLLLES.

    I wish I had finished the series but it grabbed my little pre-teen brain and shook it through and through.

    Had me looking at my dreams differently and shit.

    God, just thinking about that series makes me giddy.

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    FeralFeral MEMETICHARIZARD interior crocodile alligator ⇔ ǝɹʇɐǝɥʇ ǝᴉʌoɯ ʇǝloɹʌǝɥɔ ɐ ǝʌᴉɹp ᴉRegistered User regular
    Winky wrote: »
    Feral wrote: »
    Winky wrote: »
    SammyF wrote: »
    Winky wrote: »
    But seriously, which is going to get you laid more: shapeshifting or teleportation?

    Teleportation will get you laid less than shapeshifting, but more than neither shapeshifting nor teleportation and without nearly as many creepy and terribly rapey overtones.

    That's...an interesting ethical concept. I mean, if you are a shapeshifter and you shapeshift in order to attract someone, is that necessarily more dishonest or manipulative than how people change themselves to attract someone normally?

    Depends. Can you maintain that form indefinitely? Do you revert to a "true" form if, say, you fall asleep or stop concentrating?

    BTW, I had a fanfictiony idea in mind for Mystique once that dealt with questions of personal identity among shapeshifters

    If you're a shapeshifter who self-identifies with the form you consciously choose to take, does it matter if you have some "true form" that you don't have any control over?

    Shapeshifter identity politics, man.

    There are common shared presumptions in our culture regarding dating and appearance. I figure I might see my partner without makeup, with bags under her eyes, with messy hair.

    I don't really expect to wake up in the morning and find my partner covered in blue scales or a different sex entirely.

    So that sort of thing deserves disclosure.

    every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.

    the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
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    AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    I've never woken up and thought wow she was a lot prettier last night

    mostly man she's cute when she's asleep

    and not wearing that stupid fucking hat

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    WinkyWinky rRegistered User regular
    Feral wrote: »
    I don't really expect to wake up in the morning and find my partner covered in blue scales

    Look, I wouldn't expect that either

    But I'd be lying if I told you I wouldn't be happy about it

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    ShivahnShivahn Unaware of her barrel shifter privilege Western coastal temptressRegistered User, Moderator mod
    Winky wrote: »
    Feral wrote: »
    Winky wrote: »
    SammyF wrote: »
    Winky wrote: »
    But seriously, which is going to get you laid more: shapeshifting or teleportation?

    Teleportation will get you laid less than shapeshifting, but more than neither shapeshifting nor teleportation and without nearly as many creepy and terribly rapey overtones.

    That's...an interesting ethical concept. I mean, if you are a shapeshifter and you shapeshift in order to attract someone, is that necessarily more dishonest or manipulative than how people change themselves to attract someone normally?

    Depends. Can you maintain that form indefinitely? Do you revert to a "true" form if, say, you fall asleep or stop concentrating?

    BTW, I had a fanfictiony idea in mind for Mystique once that dealt with questions of personal identity among shapeshifters

    If you're a shapeshifter who self-identifies with the form you consciously choose to take, does it matter if you have some "true form" that you don't have any control over?

    Shapeshifter identity politics, man.

    Yeah, barring fraud I'm kinda failing to see any ethical issues here.

    Though again, bias.

    Which is fucking weird in a superpower discussion let me tell you.

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