I don't get how new players in this game don't rage quit the whole thing after a week. Smurfs really really ruin it. It's to the point now that I rarely see anyone at my skill level (i.e. not good) anymore.
I'd love to see riot do something about the immensely steep learning curve for this game. But much like my suggestions of normalizing PVP in WoW, no one will agree with me.
Had the weirdest game. Nid "support" who tried to steal my cs all game against Blitz/Trist while going 0/5 and built only AP, Rammus that literally didn't gank a lane until all level 1 towers were down, Top that went 0/3....
And their Jungle Shen ragequits and they surrender.
Only thing I wasn't sure of is that it asks account name and summoner name, as far as I know they're both the same thing, hopefully I didn't screw it up.
Account name is what you log in with, summoner name is what is displayed in game
Ah ok, then it's the same for both. I think way back when I signed up during the beta they didn't differentiate.
Had the weirdest game. Nid "support" who tried to steal my cs all game against Blitz/Trist while going 0/5 and built only AP, Rammus that literally didn't gank a lane until all level 1 towers were down, Top that went 0/3....
And their Jungle Shen ragequits and they surrender.
I will literally take ANYTHING other than Nidalee support. So fucking useless
Had the weirdest game. Nid "support" who tried to steal my cs all game against Blitz/Trist while going 0/5 and built only AP, Rammus that literally didn't gank a lane until all level 1 towers were down, Top that went 0/3....
And their Jungle Shen ragequits and they surrender.
I will literally take ANYTHING other than Nidalee support. So fucking useless
No, Miss Fortune, he did not magically 'just appear!' in front of you: you got cocky and stupid, and threw the game by walking way too close to their jungle entrance. You're a shitty Goddamn player with a shitty attitude, and you managed to cost your teammates 22 IP in a game that was supposed to be a clean win.
No, Miss Fortune, he did not magically 'just appear!' in front of you: you got cocky and stupid, and threw the game by walking way too close to their jungle entrance. You're a shitty Goddamn player with a shitty attitude, and you managed to cost your teammates 22 IP in a game that was supposed to be a clean win.
Holy shit, these pubbies on weekends.
Yeah, sometimes you get that. And sometimes you get jumped in with a premade of 4 super nice dudes from Quebec (I think, they were speaking French anyway) and get a great, swingy 55 minute game out of it, where you get to play Karthus and collect postmortem triple kills. That one was great, both teams wound up with naked and downed inhibs, came down to a clutch teamfight at Baron. Helped that I finally remembered to use my Zhonya's when they were all standing in Defile.
Had the weirdest game. Nid "support" who tried to steal my cs all game against Blitz/Trist while going 0/5 and built only AP, Rammus that literally didn't gank a lane until all level 1 towers were down, Top that went 0/3....
And their Jungle Shen ragequits and they surrender.
I will literally take ANYTHING other than Nidalee support. So fucking useless
Part of me is convinced that Nidalee actually has the makings of a decent support. Her biggest flaw is obviously the complete lack of peel, but she brings a lot of stuff that's great for supporting - good poke, debuffs to enemy defenses, a heal and a better attack speed steroid than Nunu.
team had double their kills, was pushing up slowly, way ahead in objectives
and then they pushed in killed inhib got both nexus towers, we aced them, and shaco and regnar stealthed past us and kill nexus before we could kill them
No, Miss Fortune, he did not magically 'just appear!' in front of you: you got cocky and stupid, and threw the game by walking way too close to their jungle entrance. You're a shitty Goddamn player with a shitty attitude, and you managed to cost your teammates 22 IP in a game that was supposed to be a clean win.
Holy shit, these pubbies on weekends.
...And then, the next game, I got to face this same person top lane. They went 1/5.
The problem with support Nidalee is that you can either have good spears, or have a good heal/steroid. You have to choose. And either way you choose, you're gimping yourself. If you max E first, the other support outpokes you and you lose the lane. If you max Q first, the other support outsustains you and you lose the lane.
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No, Miss Fortune, he did not magically 'just appear!' in front of you: you got cocky and stupid, and threw the game by walking way too close to their jungle entrance. You're a shitty Goddamn player with a shitty attitude, and you managed to cost your teammates 22 IP in a game that was supposed to be a clean win.
Holy shit, these pubbies on weekends.
...And then, the next game, I got to face this same person top lane. They went 1/5.
I'm now at peace with the world.
I've gone up against the same Trist in both games today.
The first game was the one with "support" nid where they ended up surrendering, and for the lane phase she was walking all over me.
Second game I had support Leona. The Trist went 7/9/3, I went 9/2/7. I also had 100cs over her.
Support Nid has a pretty strong laning phase in some matchups. If the ADC has good waveclear she can level spears and poke them down at their turret, hitting much harder and at much better range than other supports.
She does suck afterwards though, and Nidalee players tend to try to play support as a "carry", which is always going to lose your team the game. Not having a proper support means you lose the vision war, which loses you the midgame even if you're ahead.
Had the weirdest game. Nid "support" who tried to steal my cs all game against Blitz/Trist while going 0/5 and built only AP, Rammus that literally didn't gank a lane until all level 1 towers were down, Top that went 0/3....
And their Jungle Shen ragequits and they surrender.
I will literally take ANYTHING other than Nidalee support. So fucking useless
Part of me is convinced that Nidalee actually has the makings of a decent support. Her biggest flaw is obviously the complete lack of peel, but she brings a lot of stuff that's great for supporting - good poke, debuffs to enemy defenses, a heal and a better attack speed steroid than Nunu.
The rest of me fucking hates support Nida.
Then convince yourself otherwise =\
1) Her poke is either spears which use a lot of mana or auto attacks. Her auto attack range is short enough that if she gets stunned/cc'd your lane opponents can burst her. Since her auto range is relatively short and spears require shooting AROUND minions, non-crap lane opponents will just zombie push you because Nidalee doesn't have the lane presence to stop them. She is also virtually useless if your jungle comes to gank
2) Her debuff is predicated on someone walking over her trap AND that it's a good time for your lane to go aggressive IF the enemy walks over a trap
3) Her heal is actually pretty crap when you consider the heal/mana ratio, especially without any significant amount of AP - which you're unlikely to have in lane.
The problem with support Nidalee is that you can either have good spears, or have a good heal/steroid. You have to choose. And either way you choose, you're gimping yourself. If you max E first, the other support outpokes you and you lose the lane. If you max Q first, the other support outsustains you and you lose the lane.
I would just disagree and say that the heal isn't that great even if you level it. It's really expensive and has a relatively long cooldown.
Disagree with the strong lane phase part for reasons mentioned above.
Support Nidalee is bad because unlike most competitive supports she cannot win her lane. You are asking your ADC to support you, with the promises of giving them some health now and then.
I don't get how new players in this game don't rage quit the whole thing after a week. Smurfs really really ruin it. It's to the point now that I rarely see anyone at my skill level (i.e. not good) anymore.
I'd love to see riot do something about the immensely steep learning curve for this game. But much like my suggestions of normalizing PVP in WoW, no one will agree with me.
What level are you?
You've probably got two overlapping problems
1) it's impossible to separate the wheat from the chaff with new accounts as well as people would like.
2) if you have played at all with PA smurfs your elo might be high because of that and it will make the rest of your games more likely to be full of smurfs on the other side.
Had the weirdest game. Nid "support" who tried to steal my cs all game against Blitz/Trist while going 0/5 and built only AP, Rammus that literally didn't gank a lane until all level 1 towers were down, Top that went 0/3....
And their Jungle Shen ragequits and they surrender.
I will literally take ANYTHING other than Nidalee support. So fucking useless
Part of me is convinced that Nidalee actually has the makings of a decent support. Her biggest flaw is obviously the complete lack of peel, but she brings a lot of stuff that's great for supporting - good poke, debuffs to enemy defenses, a heal and a better attack speed steroid than Nunu.
The rest of me fucking hates support Nida.
The part of you that thinks she is good is dumb. She lacks peel and cc and is easily countered by all ins and buying boots/almost any support.
In addition her ATK SPD roid is not better than nunu's. In lane nunu's w gives bonus attack speed to both and with nunu's amazing base stats this makes him very strong in early all ins. For team fights the fact that BB lasts 12 seconds means that nunu does not need to hug his carry providing them buffs. He can buff at the start of the fight then go zone/ult/snowball the enemy carry. He only needs 20% cdr (nid needs 30%) to keep it permanent and don't discount the ms boost.
Had the weirdest game. Nid "support" who tried to steal my cs all game against Blitz/Trist while going 0/5 and built only AP, Rammus that literally didn't gank a lane until all level 1 towers were down, Top that went 0/3....
And their Jungle Shen ragequits and they surrender.
I will literally take ANYTHING other than Nidalee support. So fucking useless
Part of me is convinced that Nidalee actually has the makings of a decent support. Her biggest flaw is obviously the complete lack of peel, but she brings a lot of stuff that's great for supporting - good poke, debuffs to enemy defenses, a heal and a better attack speed steroid than Nunu.
The rest of me fucking hates support Nida.
Then convince yourself otherwise =\
1) Her poke is either spears which use a lot of mana or auto attacks. Her auto attack range is short enough that if she gets stunned/cc'd your lane opponents can burst her. Since her auto range is relatively short and spears require shooting AROUND minions, non-crap lane opponents will just zombie push you because Nidalee doesn't have the lane presence to stop them. She is also virtually useless if your jungle comes to gank
2) Her debuff is predicated on someone walking over her trap AND that it's a good time for your lane to go aggressive IF the enemy walks over a trap
3) Her heal is actually pretty crap when you consider the heal/mana ratio, especially without any significant amount of AP - which you're unlikely to have in lane.
I can't believe I'm about to defend support Nidalee here, but...
1) Her spears don't seem particularly mana hungry. The low auto-attack range is a definite problem, but a 1500 range damage spell kind of makes up for that (especially if she has an AD carry that can waveclear).
2) Agreed, although this depends on the arming time of the traps (which I don't actually know). If it's less than a second or two, then you don't have to plan in advance so much. They're a stronger point in teamfights - even if a tank steps on them, you've dropped their defenses by 40% for 12 seconds, which is pretty major.
3) Her heal's very good if you consider the health per second recovered. Compare it to Soraka - Soraka heals 350 + 45% AP every 20 seconds, Nidalee heals 380 + 140% AP in the same time. It's absolutely a mana sink, though.
I'm not saying she's good in the role (she definitely isn't, even amongst unorthodox supports), but she'd probably be seen as slightly better than her current reputation if she hadn't somehow become the go-to support for people who wanted mid.
In addition her ATK SPD roid is not better than nunu's.
A 60% boost is better than 45%, that's all I meant.
I also don't think a lack of CC is necessarily a "game over" for a support. Nidalee certainly isn't the example to show it, but I can imagine a support kit that didn't have any CC yet still managed to be very good at the job. Something like a Sona with a Sivir or Taric ult, maybe.
Hell, Soraka comes close to having zero CC, and she dominated bot lane for a while.
soraka dominated bot lane because she was always either in a position where you could brute force sustain past anything that wasn't a hard kill engage, and there were way less of those because we had less aggressive carries and only blitzcrank and then leona, or later her heal was functionally a less powerful kayle ult with how strong the armour was
so the way that soraka dominated bot lane was by having fucking dumb numbers
On the bright side keeping stealth in the kit means they'll never let him be as powerful as he could be, so all the Rengar players who go NO NO I NEED STEALTH I NEED STEALTH just shot themselves in the foot.
Can I talk about toxic players again? I can? Great!
I wanna talk about the Ereal who decides that we're down 5-7 and 1 tower, and therefore we have to surrender in 5 minutes (it was 15min). I wanna talk about the Renekton who decided that after Jayce had killed him twice that the game was over, we had to surrender in 10 minutes, and that he was going to make sure we lost.
Why do these people exist? It's infuriating.
I also managed to watch the EU finals. There were some really nice games there. That one baron fight in game 3 or 4 between FNC and LD was hillariously sloppy though. Baron for MVP.
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Enemy had a pair of Diamond players. Naturally, we had a Bronze 1 who was 2-2 in placements. I told him at the start of the game I would get him Silver.
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I'd love to see riot do something about the immensely steep learning curve for this game. But much like my suggestions of normalizing PVP in WoW, no one will agree with me.
And their Jungle Shen ragequits and they surrender.
Ah ok, then it's the same for both. I think way back when I signed up during the beta they didn't differentiate.
I will literally take ANYTHING other than Nidalee support. So fucking useless
lol wards? Don' be silly man, I have traps!
No, Miss Fortune, he did not magically 'just appear!' in front of you: you got cocky and stupid, and threw the game by walking way too close to their jungle entrance. You're a shitty Goddamn player with a shitty attitude, and you managed to cost your teammates 22 IP in a game that was supposed to be a clean win.
Holy shit, these pubbies on weekends.
Yeah, sometimes you get that. And sometimes you get jumped in with a premade of 4 super nice dudes from Quebec (I think, they were speaking French anyway) and get a great, swingy 55 minute game out of it, where you get to play Karthus and collect postmortem triple kills. That one was great, both teams wound up with naked and downed inhibs, came down to a clutch teamfight at Baron. Helped that I finally remembered to use my Zhonya's when they were all standing in Defile.
Part of me is convinced that Nidalee actually has the makings of a decent support. Her biggest flaw is obviously the complete lack of peel, but she brings a lot of stuff that's great for supporting - good poke, debuffs to enemy defenses, a heal and a better attack speed steroid than Nunu.
The rest of me fucking hates support Nida.
team had double their kills, was pushing up slowly, way ahead in objectives
and then they pushed in killed inhib got both nexus towers, we aced them, and shaco and regnar stealthed past us and kill nexus before we could kill them
ggggggggggggggggrrrrrrrrrrrr
this is exactly what I use it for
...And then, the next game, I got to face this same person top lane. They went 1/5.
I'm now at peace with the world.
I've gone up against the same Trist in both games today.
The first game was the one with "support" nid where they ended up surrendering, and for the lane phase she was walking all over me.
Second game I had support Leona. The Trist went 7/9/3, I went 9/2/7. I also had 100cs over her.
Feels good
The other support outpokes you, outsustains you, and has CC with which to manhandle any panthers which happen to show up.
the time for talk is over...
BLOOD KAIN
She does suck afterwards though, and Nidalee players tend to try to play support as a "carry", which is always going to lose your team the game. Not having a proper support means you lose the vision war, which loses you the midgame even if you're ahead.
In that game there as Yi? OUR RENGAR DID NOT KNOW WHAT IGNITE DID
he was level 28
also other fun stuff like jungle lucians and jungle TF that didnt know you could pick your card color, he thought it was random
This was how my morning was. Now that's it's ARAM o'clock, everything's ok.
OTOH, Pac's shoulders were super strong, so it was all good.
Then convince yourself otherwise =\
1) Her poke is either spears which use a lot of mana or auto attacks. Her auto attack range is short enough that if she gets stunned/cc'd your lane opponents can burst her. Since her auto range is relatively short and spears require shooting AROUND minions, non-crap lane opponents will just zombie push you because Nidalee doesn't have the lane presence to stop them. She is also virtually useless if your jungle comes to gank
2) Her debuff is predicated on someone walking over her trap AND that it's a good time for your lane to go aggressive IF the enemy walks over a trap
3) Her heal is actually pretty crap when you consider the heal/mana ratio, especially without any significant amount of AP - which you're unlikely to have in lane.
I would just disagree and say that the heal isn't that great even if you level it. It's really expensive and has a relatively long cooldown.
Disagree with the strong lane phase part for reasons mentioned above.
What level are you?
You've probably got two overlapping problems
1) it's impossible to separate the wheat from the chaff with new accounts as well as people would like.
2) if you have played at all with PA smurfs your elo might be high because of that and it will make the rest of your games more likely to be full of smurfs on the other side.
The part of you that thinks she is good is dumb. She lacks peel and cc and is easily countered by all ins and buying boots/almost any support.
In addition her ATK SPD roid is not better than nunu's. In lane nunu's w gives bonus attack speed to both and with nunu's amazing base stats this makes him very strong in early all ins. For team fights the fact that BB lasts 12 seconds means that nunu does not need to hug his carry providing them buffs. He can buff at the start of the fight then go zone/ult/snowball the enemy carry. He only needs 20% cdr (nid needs 30%) to keep it permanent and don't discount the ms boost.
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I can't believe I'm about to defend support Nidalee here, but...
1) Her spears don't seem particularly mana hungry. The low auto-attack range is a definite problem, but a 1500 range damage spell kind of makes up for that (especially if she has an AD carry that can waveclear).
2) Agreed, although this depends on the arming time of the traps (which I don't actually know). If it's less than a second or two, then you don't have to plan in advance so much. They're a stronger point in teamfights - even if a tank steps on them, you've dropped their defenses by 40% for 12 seconds, which is pretty major.
3) Her heal's very good if you consider the health per second recovered. Compare it to Soraka - Soraka heals 350 + 45% AP every 20 seconds, Nidalee heals 380 + 140% AP in the same time. It's absolutely a mana sink, though.
I'm not saying she's good in the role (she definitely isn't, even amongst unorthodox supports), but she'd probably be seen as slightly better than her current reputation if she hadn't somehow become the go-to support for people who wanted mid.
A 60% boost is better than 45%, that's all I meant.
I also don't think a lack of CC is necessarily a "game over" for a support. Nidalee certainly isn't the example to show it, but I can imagine a support kit that didn't have any CC yet still managed to be very good at the job. Something like a Sona with a Sivir or Taric ult, maybe.
Hell, Soraka comes close to having zero CC, and she dominated bot lane for a while.
And you'll essentially get 4-5 new skins for Eve, I forget how many skins she has now. Plus probably a brand new one when the model is done.
But that doesn't really matter since it isn't Riven, Hecarim, or a Piltovian.
so the way that soraka dominated bot lane was by having fucking dumb numbers
She has 3 skins, one of which is a palette swap.
Definitely not looking forward to that rework now.
I wanna talk about the Ereal who decides that we're down 5-7 and 1 tower, and therefore we have to surrender in 5 minutes (it was 15min). I wanna talk about the Renekton who decided that after Jayce had killed him twice that the game was over, we had to surrender in 10 minutes, and that he was going to make sure we lost.
Why do these people exist? It's infuriating.
I also managed to watch the EU finals. There were some really nice games there. That one baron fight in game 3 or 4 between FNC and LD was hillariously sloppy though. Baron for MVP.
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I GOT HIM SILVER.
Carried my team pretty hard, a decently farmed ez does silly damage if he has brut+iceborn early on. Makes me wonder why it isn't more common.