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ShimSham
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Okay, I'll start off by saying I was gone all weekend and missed all the debate threads about the GnT reform. So I just don't know if this was brought up.
However from what I can gather, the reason for doing away with the Chat Thread was to make GnT about GnT and Whippy noted that the Chat Thread was just SE++ Lite in GnT.
That's all well and fine, keep GnT about Games and Technology and let chat take place in the Chat Forum known as SE++ in an attempt to unify the whole forum and let subforums be defined by thread topic rather than community.
Well what I see wrong with this is that you took the proper steps at GnT for that goal, but when you still have "Game On" threads like the 360 Game On threads at SE++, it's terribly counter-productive.
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The reason they give for having Game On topics is because SE++ers want to play 360 games with other SE++ers, rather than having to deal with GnT people.
The reason there was a GnT Chat thread was for GnTers to talk to other GnTers about offtopic things without dealing with SE++ people.
What's the difference here? I'm dying for someone to explain that.
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That on top of the other, less-popular, subforums still having chat threads despite us having a chat forum.
I'm fine with off-topic posting at SE, and I'm fine with no chat thread at GnT.
But when a double standard is held that does bother me as well as numerous others.
Tl;dr - If you're going to work on reform, you can't just concentrate on one area and call it quits.
However from what I can gather, the reason for doing away with the Chat Thread was to make GnT about GnT and Whippy noted that the Chat Thread was just SE++ Lite in GnT.
That's all well and fine, keep GnT about Games and Technology and let chat take place in the Chat Forum known as SE++ in an attempt to unify the whole forum and let subforums be defined by thread topic rather than community.
Well what I see wrong with this is that you took the proper steps at GnT for that goal, but when you still have "Game On" threads like the 360 Game On threads at SE++, it's terribly counter-productive.
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The reason they give for having Game On topics is because SE++ers want to play 360 games with other SE++ers, rather than having to deal with GnT people.
The reason there was a GnT Chat thread was for GnTers to talk to other GnTers about offtopic things without dealing with SE++ people.
What's the difference here? I'm dying for someone to explain that.
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That on top of the other, less-popular, subforums still having chat threads despite us having a chat forum.
I'm fine with off-topic posting at SE, and I'm fine with no chat thread at GnT.
But when a double standard is held that does bother me as well as numerous others.
Tl;dr - If you're going to work on reform, you can't just concentrate on one area and call it quits.
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Let's play Mario Kart or something...
Whippy said he wanted a forum the higherups could be proud of, not a GnT they could be proud of.
Those threads promote the same kind of cliques the GnT Chat Thread did.
Like this
http://www.penny-arcade.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1073833828
It's a gaming topic and you locked it and said take it to GnT. Why do the Game On threads get exception?
If what you said were actually practiced then you could have let the thread go and just let it go off-topic if people wanted it to.
a.) It was a shitty topic that doesn't really have much of a place on the forums at all, and
b.) See a.
I wouldn't really care one way or the other if the SE++ Game Ons got moved/merged with G&T's. You'd just end up with a few pissed SE'ers.
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No it was locked because
and that's just one example.
They generally aren't. That one was locked because it was a shitty thread, and I'm about eighty percent sure that Bamelin was seeing how bad of a thread he could make.
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How can anything be off topic in an off topic chat forum?
I don't want to focus so much on that one particular topic as it seems to not be the best example but it was the most recent example and kept me from searching back to who knows where in topic pages.
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Shitty gaming threads may or may not be allowed in G&T. I don't know. Tube doesn't know. Neither of us are G&T mods.
And yes, Bamelin was just trying to be as obnoxious as possible.
Debate and Discourse kept their chat thread. Is that because Debate and Discourse is a more tolerated group of people, or because an off topic discussion thread is crucial to their community?
And if it was the PEOPLE that caused the chat thread to have to go away, and not the existance of the chat thread... why not make with the jailings / bannings of those who were hurting G&T?
Let's play Mario Kart or something...
I'd rather focus more on what I stated in the OP rather than that one incident that I cited when CT locked a thread for reasons other than the ones he stated in the lock post.
Because it might be considered a less shitty thread in G&T? As a flip remark? Sarcasm? All of these things are possibilities.
No, they're made to discuss anything, without being bound to a topic (within reason).
IIRC, someone mentioned how D&D's chat thread was about general discussion and debating; though i've not seen much evidence of that.
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I'm going to see Jackass now.
I can't answer this, but I'm sure a D&D mod will be around soon.
...and actually, I think I'm going to lock this thread, because it's clear to me that it didn't really have a purpose, and you were just trying to stir up trouble. As evidenced by the fact that you keep changing your mind as to what the problem is. I'm sorry that you missed the change, but Jesus Christ I am so sick of discussing it that you can't imagine, and I'm afraid you'll have to live with that.
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That yet another redundant thread on this topic is being locked? Indeed.
That's wrong.
it's hard to argue that PA's definition of an "Off topic" forum is held as the standard for 90% of internet communities.
usually, when people see "off topic" they regard it as "general discussion."
perhaps this helps to explain why many feel SE++ is a failure, as it does not confine to the norms of what many expect it to be.
interstingly enough, I've noticed throughout the discussions in the past week that PA essentially combines what many forums have as a "General" subforum and a "Serious discussion and Debate" subforum into our D&D
I was merely explaining one position is all.
Sure they can. After all, this isn't a democracy, the only thing that matters is what they say matters.
I blame Whippy
By this logic, however, there is no reason for on-topic forums, as they can be discussed freely and to completeness in SE++.
This is where I have issues. The SE++ forum, in being all encompassing, is granted the ability to have discussion unbidden by any rules or other forums. It creates the mentality that the PA forums are the SE++ community, instead of any other mentality.
The forum, ideally, should be set up like this:
There are some areas of overlap, but SE++ doesn't take precedence as the end-all, be-all forum. It still acts as the social heart of the forum, where everyone can mingle.. But people are still directed to the on-topic sub-forums when it just makes sense.
At this point, we have a chat forum, inside which are game-on topics. IMHO, I wonder if "Game on" should be its own forum, where all the PA forumers can go to intermingle and get their game on with other PA forumers, in a neutral environment with no stigmas of "Oh, he's a G&Ter" or "He's from D&D" or any of that tripe.
That's what the powers that be want, though.
I blame Whippy
Or even worse, Karnaugh maps, and the entire forum was just a boolean construct? What then?
SE you have no assurance that your thread on Megaman will not turn into a 30 page arguement between guys about leeching. In G&T, you have that assurance.
Don't think that Shimsham is trying to stir up trouble. I, of course, am not in the man's brain, but as powerllama so gracefully put it, "It's Shimsham. Fucking shimsham."
I think he's actually trying to have an intelligent discussion here.
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I don't think I can do those in Paint in less than 5 minutes.
You'll notice the second graph isn't labeed because.. well. Paint sucks at doing text, apparently.
So what you are saying is that it is up to the general populace, not the mods, to dictate where they want the discussion to go? With no guidelines whatsoever (if they post it in SE, I mean)?
Just sprinkle on some sprite girls and everything would be fine.
I blame Whippy