I see the SE 360++ thread as a good thing. I'm not one to go to GnT, as it's not really my thing, but when I want to set up a game with my friends it's nice to have a place to post a time/game.
Plus I don't have the time/want to be a full-time gamer or keep up with every little tidbit of information about consoles/games. This seems to be the mentality of other SE++ers as well, and its nice to chat with/get tips from like minded people.
So it's treated like a casual 360 users' thread to organise stuff without having the hectic traffic the 360 megathread had?
That sounds pretty reasonable.
Please note I don't mind the loss of the megathreads, only the information contained within.
And I applaud the idea of a G&T specific "Game-on" thread for the DS and the 360. I'm also saying that once those game-ons are started, they should be kept for only that concept, and the SE++ game-on threads should be merged into it.
This one is a specific question: If the PA forums were all contained in one massive lump, and half the forum wanted on-topic discussion, and the other half wanted off-topic discussion and the ability to derail any thread they desired, which group of people would the mods support?
You're asking me to answer a ludicrous, irrelevant hypothetical on behalf of about a dozen people. Ssshhhh.
So, for the sake of meshing the community together, why not have SE use the G&T game on threads? I mean, I understand redimpulse's point of view, but this is all for the sake of creating one big community, right?
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This one is a specific question: If the PA forums were all contained in one massive lump, and half the forum wanted on-topic discussion, and the other half wanted off-topic discussion and the ability to derail any thread they desired, which group of people would the mods support?
You're asking me to answer a ludicrous, irrelevant hypothetical on behalf of about a dozen people. Ssshhhh.
*laughs* Yes, I am.
Then again, the forums you moderate dictate where your answers are likely to fall, at least from my experience. I was hoping to see if anyone would admit to not liking the status quo around here. ;-)
Seriously guys what it comes down to is that the forums contain what the mods are willing to mod.
The SE++ mods are willing to mod game on threads, so they stay. The D&D mods like their chat thread so it stays. They didn't like the megathreads so they killed them.
The G&T mods are not willing to mod a chat thread or megathreads so they are gone. It is as simple as that.
Then again, the forums you moderate dictate where your answers are likely to fall, at least from my experience. I was hoping to see if anyone would admit to not liking the status quo around here. ;-)
I don't like the status quo round here. Happy? Good, let's move on.
I see the G&T Chat thread as a good thing. I'm not one to go to SE++, as it's not really my thing, but when I want to chat or set up small game ons with my friends it's nice to have a place to post a time/game.
To at least try and spark some reasonable discussion and answer my only qualm in this discussion, could any mod please respond to this? Why were the other on-topic forums chat threads allowed to remain, if they just act in much the same function as the G&T chat thread did?
D&D's chat thread works to keep thread meta-discussion out of the on-topic threads. Linksville has had the same chat thread since January of 2005. I think the Writer's Block is still on their first chat thread, too.
Hmm? Then why when I go to D&D's chat thread with now do I see little actual evidence of that claim.
I'm not saying it doesn't happen, it most likely does and I just don't see the reason to dig through the pages looking for that. But most of it does indeed seem to just be random chatting. And wasn't one of the byproducts of the G&T chat thread was that people could go there for small tidbit questions related to computers/technology, which didn't warrant a thread by themself and could be quickly answered in the chat thread. It served a purpose, to a certain point it had an actual meaning in the G&T scheme of things. It was gone about wrong and inefficiently, but doesn't the D&D thread seem to display similar faults?
As you can see i'm not very skilled at discussions like this, but i'm just trying to satisfy my own curiosity; forgive my poor wording.
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Seriously guys what it comes down to is that the forums contain what the mods are willing to mod.
The SE++ mods are willing to mod game on threads, so they stay. The D&D mods like their chat thread so it stays. They didn't like the megathreads so they killed them.
The G&T mods are not willing to mod a chat thread or megathreads so they are gone. It is as simple as that.
Oh, I like this post a lot.
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Seriously guys what it comes down to is that the forums contain what the mods are willing to mod.
The SE++ mods are willing to mod game on threads, so they stay. The D&D mods like their chat thread so it stays. They didn't like the megathreads so they killed them.
The G&T mods are not willing to mod a chat thread or megathreads so they are gone. It is as simple as that.
If the mods dictate the environment of the subforums on an individual basis, then one cannot expect unity as the mods' influnce does not overlap.
The point of this change was made to better foster a community spirit amongst the various sub-forums, to unify them into a single forum that is worthy of the Penny Arcade moniker. I am perfectly fine with this, assuming that consistancy existed across the sub-forums as well.
THE TIME TO BITCH ABOUT THE CHAT THREAD HAS PASSED. THIS IS A THREAD ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT SE GAME ON THREADS SHOULD BE MOVED TO G&T ON A PERMANENT BASIS. IF YOU WISH TO COMMENT ON SOMETHING ELSE, SHUT THE FUCK UP. MY PM INBOX IS ALWAYS OPEN. FURTHER OFF TOPIC COMMENTS WILL BE MET WITH SPANKINGS.
Seriously guys what it comes down to is that the forums contain what the mods are willing to mod.
The SE++ mods are willing to mod game on threads, so they stay. The D&D mods like their chat thread so it stays. They didn't like the megathreads so they killed them.
The G&T mods are not willing to mod a chat thread or megathreads so they are gone. It is as simple as that.
Oh, I like this post a lot.
Henroid, what the fuck? Post something more than :roll: please
If he weren't posting :roll: to that, I would be.
All he's done is suck up to CT this whole thread, and to be honest I'm surprised.
Seriously guys what it comes down to is that the forums contain what the mods are willing to mod.
The SE++ mods are willing to mod game on threads, so they stay. The D&D mods like their chat thread so it stays. They didn't like the megathreads so they killed them.
The G&T mods are not willing to mod a chat thread or megathreads so they are gone. It is as simple as that.
Oh, I like this post a lot.
Henroid, what the fuck? Post something more than :roll: please
If he weren't posting :roll: to that, I would be.
All he's done is suck up to CT this whole thread, and to be honest I'm surprised.
I love how you people (and I'm sorry to bring up the G&T Chat Threader shit again) have had something against me ever since the shit went down. You want to know my position on this? It makes sense to have the SE Game On's merge into G&T. I am FOR this. At the same time, Deli and CT (who, by the way, have been here forever and know how things fucking work) bring up their good points on why it should stay how it is.
"Wah, Henroid doesn't agree with us!" Piss off, Seta. I'm sick of you guys handling this so fucking poorly.
Edit - And sorry about being off topic, I swear I'll stop now.
we've had game ons for as long as I can remember (albiet sparsly), why would it suddenly have to change since G&T got it's mega/chat threads removed
I think the theory is that forcing SE++ people to go to G&T to have game ons would further integrate the community, and in time reduce any animosity that exists between the forums.
Ha, yes please stop discussing the other G&T matters. I'd like to see this thread stay open long enough for there to be an actual discussion of the issue.
I am FOR this. At the same time, Deli and CT bring up their good points on why it should stay how it is.
I'm not necessarily falling on either side at this point. Unfortunately, this thread has gotten so stunningly confused that no actual discussion is taking place.
Okay, so I don't really see a problem with Game On threads in SE++. It has its own community of people, and it's understandable that they would want to play games with people they know. In fact, the only reason I would want Game On threads to be confined to G&T is so I could hear some people from SE++ bitch about having to go to another forum if they wanted to start a game, like G&T bitched when they had to go to another forum to chat.
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Okay, so I don't really see a problem with Game On threads in SE++. It has its own community of people, and it's understandable that they would want to play games with people they know. In fact, the only reason I would want Game On threads to be confined to G&T is so I could hear some people from SE++ bitch about having to go to another forum if they wanted to start a game, like G&T bitched when they had to go to another forum to chat.
As I said, the reasoning we were given by the G&T mods for this decision was so that the Penny Arcade forums would become more integrated as a whole, with better communication and participation across forums.
For those people who feel wronged by this decision, any element that shows favoritism, isolationism, or otherwise implies a lack of integration by all parties involved feels like an attack. And for someone who is watching all this with an intruiged eye towards the future of the forum, it raises questions for me as well.
Then why didn't you say in your lock post that it was a shitty thread, rather than "take it to GnT?"
Because it might be considered a less shitty thread in G&T? As a flip remark? Sarcasm? All of these things are possibilities.
To be totally honest, I saw it as a "Yeah. Try this shit where you came from and see if THEY tolerate it."
You know, kind of like he was rolling his eyes and muttering "Jackass" under his breath.
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I could always link to the SE game ons, though I guess that'd kill the point of it being the G&T Refence Desk. :P
this actually wouldn't be a bad idea in the meantime, to point people towards G&T discussions happening in other forums. At least, until we sort out what, if anything, will happen due to this.
EDIT: Just hit this after I hit enter, might have been OT, I don't know.
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Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
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I don't see the Game On threads causing any sort of problem, nor do I see any sort of improvement by moving them to G&T other than to sate the bitterness of a few.
This reminds me of the "we're not linksville" thing from a long while back.
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How can anything be off topic in an off topic chat forum?
The off-topic forums are made to discuss things that we don't already have forums for.
That's wrong.
By this logic, however, there is no reason for on-topic forums, as they can be discussed freely and to completeness in SE++.
When the forums were set up there two spots: a discussion board and an art board. When we moved to php we found ourselves with two boards again, The Artist's Corner and M2. Eventually, M2 got really nuts and we formed a place called the Pit of Hate. It was designed to be a flame forum. It got shut down, everyone was pissed and within a month or two, the entire board was closed.
When we reopened one of the things we heard form a lot of users was that M2 was too cliqu-ish and too big to keep things on topic. So we created G&T to go along with the Artist's Corner and M2 was renamed Social Entropy. Some people wanted more moderated discussion, less off-topic derails. Others thought the derails were funnier than the original threads. So the on-topic discussion forum was started. That's what we now call D&D. Before that it was called Politics and Philosphy because it was meant to be a debate board. I liked it better that way, but people were upset with SE and we made concessions.
The point is, everything is allowed in SE simply because everything is allowed in SE. Nothing stays on topic and, for better or worse, nothing goes as planned.
SE should be the center of the diagram because SE started it all. If you don't like that, there are plenty of boards out there with a more organzied, on-topic style. Enjoy your stay at them.
This is a good example of why G&T should be allowed to keep their chat thread.
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THE TIME TO BITCH ABOUT THE CHAT THREAD HAS PASSED. THIS IS A THREAD ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT SE GAME ON THREADS SHOULD BE MOVED TO G&T ON A PERMANENT BASIS. IF YOU WISH TO COMMENT ON SOMETHING ELSE, SHUT THE FUCK UP. MY PM INBOX IS ALWAYS OPEN. FURTHER OFF TOPIC COMMENTS WILL BE MET WITH SPANKINGS.
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I have no particular investment here, since I probably dont post in GT or SE more than a couple times a year, but I would guess the standard would be to look at Whippy's comments explaining the GT changes, and at the goals of the mods and admins for the future direction of the forums.
You have become a smattering of xenophobic cliques.
Is something he wrote about the various mega threads, and chat thread in GT. If the same is true of the game-on threads in SE, then yeah, perhaps some change should be made. If the idea is that cliques are bad, and that inter-forum rivalry is retarded, then a Game-On thread specifically for SE because they don't want to play with the GT folks or whatever may not be the best idea.
I have no particular investment here, since I probably dont post in GT or SE more than a couple times a year, but I would guess the standard would be to look at Whippy's comments explaining the GT changes, and at the goals of the mods and admins for the future direction of the forums.
You have become a smattering of xenophobic cliques.
Is something he wrote about the various mega threads, and chat thread in GT. If the same is true of the game-on threads in SE, then yeah, perhaps some change should be made. If the idea is that cliques are bad, and that inter-forum rivalry is retarded, then a Game-On thread specifically for SE because they don't want to play with the GT folks or whatever may not be the best idea.
I have no particular investment here, since I probably dont post in GT or SE more than a couple times a year, but I would guess the standard would be to look at Whippy's comments explaining the GT changes, and at the goals of the mods and admins for the future direction of the forums.
You have become a smattering of xenophobic cliques.
Is something he wrote about the various mega threads, and chat thread in GT. If the same is true of the game-on threads in SE, then yeah, perhaps some change should be made. If the idea is that cliques are bad, and that inter-forum rivalry is retarded, then a Game-On thread specifically for SE because they don't want to play with the GT folks or whatever may not be the best idea.
a Game-On thread specifically for SE because they don't want to play with the GT folks or whatever may not be the best idea.
The question is whether that IS the reason. I'm inclined to believe that it's a little less sinister than that, but I'm afraid I'm no expert on the game on threads.
a Game-On thread specifically for SE because they don't want to play with the GT folks or whatever may not be the best idea.
The question is whether that IS the reason. I'm inclined to believe that it's a little less sinister than that, but I'm afraid I'm no expert on the game on threads.
Me neither, I just thought it might be something to look out for.
I'm currently thinking that the SE 360 thread has to go, but I'm not convinced that the Game On threads are anything more sinister than different games being played.
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Far Side, that's a valid reason (indeed, probably the MOST valid reason) that I've heard yet for the SE++ threads to exist seperate.
Which leads to the question: What is it about G&T that instantly mandates a militaristic-like doctrine of staying strictly on topic?
This is again why I would think a Game On subforum would work, with rules that aren't as strict as G&T, but not as lax as SE++.
I have no particular investment here, since I probably dont post in GT or SE more than a couple times a year, but I would guess the standard would be to look at Whippy's comments explaining the GT changes, and at the goals of the mods and admins for the future direction of the forums.
You have become a smattering of xenophobic cliques.
Is something he wrote about the various mega threads, and chat thread in GT. If the same is true of the game-on threads in SE, then yeah, perhaps some change should be made. If the idea is that cliques are bad, and that inter-forum rivalry is retarded, then a Game-On thread specifically for SE because they don't want to play with the GT folks or whatever may not be the best idea.
I agree with this limed portion
As do I. Forum history may show that SE does pretty much what it wants, and maybe we're in a position where the mods can keep it that way if they want, but times do change.
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Please note I don't mind the loss of the megathreads, only the information contained within.
And I applaud the idea of a G&T specific "Game-on" thread for the DS and the 360. I'm also saying that once those game-ons are started, they should be kept for only that concept, and the SE++ game-on threads should be merged into it.
You're asking me to answer a ludicrous, irrelevant hypothetical on behalf of about a dozen people. Ssshhhh.
*laughs* Yes, I am.
Then again, the forums you moderate dictate where your answers are likely to fall, at least from my experience. I was hoping to see if anyone would admit to not liking the status quo around here. ;-)
The SE++ mods are willing to mod game on threads, so they stay. The D&D mods like their chat thread so it stays. They didn't like the megathreads so they killed them.
The G&T mods are not willing to mod a chat thread or megathreads so they are gone. It is as simple as that.
I don't like the status quo round here. Happy? Good, let's move on.
Hmm? Then why when I go to D&D's chat thread with now do I see little actual evidence of that claim.
I'm not saying it doesn't happen, it most likely does and I just don't see the reason to dig through the pages looking for that. But most of it does indeed seem to just be random chatting. And wasn't one of the byproducts of the G&T chat thread was that people could go there for small tidbit questions related to computers/technology, which didn't warrant a thread by themself and could be quickly answered in the chat thread. It served a purpose, to a certain point it had an actual meaning in the G&T scheme of things. It was gone about wrong and inefficiently, but doesn't the D&D thread seem to display similar faults?
As you can see i'm not very skilled at discussions like this, but i'm just trying to satisfy my own curiosity; forgive my poor wording.
If the mods dictate the environment of the subforums on an individual basis, then one cannot expect unity as the mods' influnce does not overlap.
The point of this change was made to better foster a community spirit amongst the various sub-forums, to unify them into a single forum that is worthy of the Penny Arcade moniker. I am perfectly fine with this, assuming that consistancy existed across the sub-forums as well.
Hence the thrust of my part of this debate.
All he's done is suck up to CT this whole thread, and to be honest I'm surprised.
If you, or anyone else, posts an off topic comment again, you will be banned.
"Wah, Henroid doesn't agree with us!" Piss off, Seta. I'm sick of you guys handling this so fucking poorly.
Edit - And sorry about being off topic, I swear I'll stop now.
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I'm not necessarily falling on either side at this point. Unfortunately, this thread has gotten so stunningly confused that no actual discussion is taking place.
As I said, the reasoning we were given by the G&T mods for this decision was so that the Penny Arcade forums would become more integrated as a whole, with better communication and participation across forums.
For those people who feel wronged by this decision, any element that shows favoritism, isolationism, or otherwise implies a lack of integration by all parties involved feels like an attack. And for someone who is watching all this with an intruiged eye towards the future of the forum, it raises questions for me as well.
To be totally honest, I saw it as a "Yeah. Try this shit where you came from and see if THEY tolerate it."
You know, kind of like he was rolling his eyes and muttering "Jackass" under his breath.
this actually wouldn't be a bad idea in the meantime, to point people towards G&T discussions happening in other forums. At least, until we sort out what, if anything, will happen due to this.
This reminds me of the "we're not linksville" thing from a long while back.
This is a good example of why G&T should be allowed to keep their chat thread.
The topic is the SE game on threads. Any more posts from you that are not dealing with that topic will be met with a temp ban.
Is something he wrote about the various mega threads, and chat thread in GT. If the same is true of the game-on threads in SE, then yeah, perhaps some change should be made. If the idea is that cliques are bad, and that inter-forum rivalry is retarded, then a Game-On thread specifically for SE because they don't want to play with the GT folks or whatever may not be the best idea.
I agree with this limed portion
The question is whether that IS the reason. I'm inclined to believe that it's a little less sinister than that, but I'm afraid I'm no expert on the game on threads.
Me neither, I just thought it might be something to look out for.
Which leads to the question: What is it about G&T that instantly mandates a militaristic-like doctrine of staying strictly on topic?
This is again why I would think a Game On subforum would work, with rules that aren't as strict as G&T, but not as lax as SE++.