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[PS4] Playstation NOW (Gaikai) is announced and detailed - Beta coming later this month

zllehszllehs Hiding in a box, waiting to strike.Registered User regular
edited January 2014 in Games and Technology
The Playstation 4 Arrives On November 15 in NA ($399), November 29 in EU (£349 & €399) & February 22, 2014 in Japan (¥38,98)

PlayStation 4 (click to view in 3D)
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THE ANNOUNCEMENT
The announcement of the PS4 was preceded by a set of videos released by Sony in the weeks before the NYC event
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeHumSu-_jc

Sony officially announced the PlayStation 4 on February 20, 2013 at a 2 hour event called PlayStation Meeting 2013, which was hosted by Andrew House & held at the Hammerstein Ballroom in New York City.

The hardware specifications and interface of the new console were presented by Mark Cerny, who also showed off the newly redesigned DualShock 4 controller.

Gaikai CEO, David Perry, took the stage to talk about the potential their streaming and cloud gaming service can bring to the console.

The Playstation 4 made its debut on Monday June 10 at the Sony E3 2013 press conference where it was revealed that it will cost $399 (US), contain a 500GB hard drive, and be packed with a controller and headset (ear bud + cord mic). The PlayStation 4's "used games strategy" was also discussed, and Sony announced there would be no DRM or protection on used PS4 games. Sony also announced that the PlayStation Plus subscription membership is now required for online gaming.
On August 20th 2013 at Gamescom in Germany, Sony revealed the console would be released November 15th 2013 in the US and November 29th in Europe.

The Entire 2013 SONY E3 press conference
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOoJ6ucEY8g

The two moments that will live infamy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQE3VFcQg80

What Comes In The Box
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1- Playstation 4 system
1- Dualshock 4 wireless controller
1- Mono headset
1- AC power cord
1- HDMI cable
1- USB cable
1- Owners manual

Peripherals
Dualshock 4 controller - $60 (red and blue controller available later this year at all retailers)

Features: Touch Pad, Light Bar, 6-axis motion sensing, "SHARE" button, Built-in Speaker and Stereo Headset Jack, Enhanced vibration, improved tiggers and dual analog sticks

Click HERE for specs

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PS4 Camera - $60
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Features: picture-in-picture video of yourself in gameplay livestreams, Create and share narrated game walkthroughs in HD video, voice chat through four built-in microphones, 3D depth-sensing, Log in instantly with facial recognition, navigate PS4™ system menu hands-free with voice inputs

Click HERE for specs

PS4 Drive Club racing wheel (no further information available)
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Official PS4 Spec Sheet
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Playstation Dynamic Menu (New UI)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zyKAXkqIi0#t=38

Playstation Plus
The PS4 will require you to have a PS+ subscription to be able to play games online on your PS4 while still bringing you all the great features you already enjoy
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GAIKAI
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Sony revealed during its PlayStation 4 announcement that the PS4's cloud service would be provided by Gaikai and that the two companies intend to deliver several cloud-based capabilities on the PS4.

Features include:
Backward Compatibility (PS1, PS2, PS3)
Instant Demos - Play a snippet or a demo of a game instantly- no need to download or install
Remote play through PSVita - the goal to to make every ps4 game playable on the PS Vita)
Stream live gameplay over PSN
Share - simply by pressing the share button you can share videos and screenshots online to multiple service providers
Social gaming - Friends can watch and talk to you as you play or even take over for you if you allow them to do so.

Gaikai integration will roll out sometime in 2014 for the PS4
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The Playstation App
The Playstation App is set to provide second screen functionality for some PS4 titles, as well as let you access your PSN profile, check up on friends and trophies, send messages to other people who have the App or to PS4, PS3, and PS Vita users. You'll also be able to make purchases using the App and remotely download it, and also use your smartphone or tablet to turn your console on and off or as a keyboard for typing.

The Playstation App hits North America on November 13 and Europe on November 22 and is available for Android and IOS phones and tablets.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEbBbdTKYoE

And finally - The reason why we are all here - OUR MAIN EVENT OF THE EVENING:
THE GAMES
PS4 Exclusives are in RED, SONY platform exclusives are accompanied by an asterisk ( * ) and console exclusives are in Green.

Launch day titles
Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag
Battlefield 4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrtwqDt0IEk
Blacklight: Retribution
Call of Duty: Ghosts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SumIZb6qMJw
Contrast
DC Universe Online
DiveKick
Escape Plan *
FIFA 14
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AL1ZkIJ2zQ
flOw *
Flower *
Injustice: Gods Among Us - Ultimate Edition
Just Dance 2014
Killzone: Shadow Fall
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzyibMjn7YE
Knack
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNiG9osRHc4
LEGO Marvel Super Heroes
Madden NFL 25
Minecraft
NBA 2K14
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJlptY6G4SQ
NBA Live 14
Need For Speed: Rivals
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79QsNYEJxLs
Pinball Arcade
Playroom
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6U34Ybk9vI
Putty Squad
Resogun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgDrcRs26tI
Skylanders: Swap Force
Sound Shapes *
Super Motherload
Switch Galaxy Ultra *
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8cClcaRLTk
Tiny Brains
Warframe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLmZo6Wd5ig
War Thunder
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vq8dp3PQ22I

Launch Window Games (Day 1 - March 2014)
1001 Spikes
Basement Crawl
CounterSpy
Daylight
Deep Down
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbFBEjlKtpY
Doki-Doki Universe *
DriveClub
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2FnJ3Lak38
Hohokum *
InFamous Second Son
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlNfJvFnzc8
Mercenary Kings
N++
Octodad: Dadliest Catch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5CkplUzvNM
Oddworld: New 'n' Tasty
PlanetSide 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0O2BGK6-YD4
Pool Nation Extreme
Primal Carnage: Genesis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KR0dybsn-1o
Ray's the Dead
The Witness
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tk-RsawGjPY
Thief
Transistor
Wolfenstein: The New Order

Click HERE for the full list of games coming to the PS4 along with rumored PS4 games and Games Coming to "Next-Gen Consoles"
Click HERE for the full list of indie games coming to the PS4

Playstation 4 Commercials & Advertising

Penny Arcade PSN Name Mega Listing

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AktG57CVIWi_dEJJTy1IMHJhZ2RWTFZKWFRkbUt5aEE&usp=sharing#gid=0

LET THE GREATNESS BEGIN

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  • UnbreakableVowUnbreakableVow Registered User regular
    I still can't wrap my head around the fact that the Dreamcast launched so well

  • DonnictonDonnicton Registered User regular
    http://westernmass.craigslist.org/vgm/4200591897.html

    Well...damn. I really want to know the context behind this one.

  • UnbreakableVowUnbreakableVow Registered User regular
    Donnicton wrote: »
    http://westernmass.craigslist.org/vgm/4200591897.html

    Well...damn. I really want to know the context behind this one.

    They're going to prank their son on Christmas with a PS4 box

    The context is right there!

  • TheUnsane1TheUnsane1 PhiladelphiaRegistered User regular
    I really need to stop looking at nba 2k14 gameplay. If I wasn't going the "Why not both?" route for this new hardware cycle I would have already bought it.

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  • UnbreakableVowUnbreakableVow Registered User regular
    Why is Need for Speed Rivals showing me the unskippable All Drive video EVERY TIME I leave the garage?

  • zllehszllehs Hiding in a box, waiting to strike.Registered User regular
    edited November 2013
    I still can't wrap my head around the fact that the Dreamcast launched so well

    Upon further research apparently the PS2 sold 980,000 in 24 hours in Japan
    http://metro.co.uk/2013/11/18/ps4-sells-1-million-consoles-in-first-day-breaks-all-time-record-4190612/

    So what the dreamcast sold between 980,000 and 1,000,000?
    I dont have Dreamcast numbers... just this article
    http://www.fateofthegame.com/playstation-4-fastest-selling-console-ever/

    zllehs on
  • CarbonFireCarbonFire See you in the countryRegistered User regular
    Tried out the ad hoc Remote Play on Vita...plays like a dream when I've got LOS (or close to it), but throws a fit when it tries to send a signal through a wall and a TV. Which means I'll either have to move my PS4, or upgrade my router to a better N version so I can get more distance. Resogun and KZ:SF both look fantastic on dat OLED.

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  • UnbreakableVowUnbreakableVow Registered User regular
    Why is Need for Speed Rivals showing me the unskippable All Drive video EVERY TIME I leave the garage?

    Guys seriously this is killing me

  • GMaster7GMaster7 Goggles Paesano Registered User regular
    edited November 2013
    Just played a few more hours of KZ multiplayer. It's basically KZ3 in 1080p, feel-wise, or at least, that's how I felt this weekend and early tonight. I really enjoy it - I'm not always top of the chart, but every once in a while I'll have a satisfying killstreak, and every game mode is exciting... But eventually, I took the time to comb through the menus, read up on challenges and requirements for unlocks, set and rename my loadouts, and drill down.

    I was having fun before, but now, it's all clicking. Editing my loadout to swap spawn beacon in and out every few deaths was an annoying extra step before, and there were certain abilities that I hadn't yet tried... But now everything is twice as fast and I'm in the action nonstop. I was adjusting my loadouts between missions before by changing guns and abilities manually, but now it's just a matter of selecting from the most appropriate of twelve options, with two button presses instead of five - so quick and easy.

    And when I was almost ready for bed and got tired of running around a larger map and just longed for more instantaneous action? There's an ability that lets you instantly teleport to a teammate engaged in a firefight. Grabbed a shotgun, hit X, and every time I tapped right on the d-pad, I was ducking fire, running into a building with teammates, rounding a corner to face a group of enemies... It was like an instant fun button. I love next-gen.

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  • CarbonFireCarbonFire See you in the countryRegistered User regular
    Donnicton wrote: »
    http://westernmass.craigslist.org/vgm/4200591897.html

    Well...damn. I really want to know the context behind this one.

    They're going to prank their son on Christmas with a PS4 box

    The context is right there!

    Maybe he means the context of why they hate their kid so much they want to play a joke that cruel on him.
    Possible reason: they're trying to get on Jimmy Kimmel's "Terrible Christmas Gifts" video.

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  • UnbreakableVowUnbreakableVow Registered User regular
    Because it's fun!

  • ZephosZephos Climbin in yo ski lifts, snatchin your people up. MichiganRegistered User regular
    CarbonFire wrote: »
    Tried out the ad hoc Remote Play on Vita...plays like a dream when I've got LOS (or close to it), but throws a fit when it tries to send a signal through a wall and a TV. Which means I'll either have to move my PS4, or upgrade my router to a better N version so I can get more distance. Resogun and KZ:SF both look fantastic on dat OLED.
    I've heard that the link goes for miles or it ends at about 20 paces, Its a super cool feature, but what is the limiter? (as a precautionary warning if you're connecting over a data link, it apparently eats up quite a bit of data, so if you're not on an unlimited plan you may want to watch the data usage.)

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  • ChanceChance Registered User regular
    Ahhh finally cracked my high score on Resogun. 33 mil ain't much by leaderboard standards, but I'm proud as fuck.

    'Chance, you are the best kind of whore.' -Henroid
  • BillyIdleBillyIdle What does "katana" mean? It means "Japanese sword."Registered User regular
    @Gmaster7, the shotgun teleporting loadout is my rage class haha. I'm still getting a feel for the killzone multiplayer, but man do I enjoy it! Gotta work out my support and assault classes before I can start doing better.

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  • UnbreakableVowUnbreakableVow Registered User regular
    On the subject of NBA 2K14

    The notion of buying a game just because it's so pretty is ill-advised

    Although it did give me some gorgeous shit to look at as I realized I hated it

  • dantreedantree Registered User regular
    On the subject of NBA 2K14

    The notion of buying a game just because it's so pretty is ill-advised

    Although it did give me some gorgeous shit to look at as I realized I hated it

    I sorta did the same thing in regards to Killzone, I knew going into it that I am not into that sort of game, but it was so pretty in the videos.

    psn: dantree
  • UnbreakableVowUnbreakableVow Registered User regular
    I am hoping I'll dig Killzone

    It is the only PS4 game I own that I haven't played yet

    Unless you count Resogun, Contrast and the F2P stuff

  • Unco-ordinatedUnco-ordinated NZRegistered User regular
    If you're still wondering what kind of HDD you should get, you might want to watch this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGjSJwlHK6M

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  • UnbreakableVowUnbreakableVow Registered User regular
    That's good info to have

    I wasn't even aware of the existence of hybrid drives

  • UnbreakableVowUnbreakableVow Registered User regular
    I would very much love for this to be true
    March's Tomb Raider reboot from Crystal Dynamics may be released on PlayStation 4 if a new Amazon listing is anything to go by. Amazon Italy (via Eurogamer) posted a PS4 listing for Tomb Raider: Definitive Edition with a release date of January 24, 2014.

    A second listing is also posted on Amazon Italy's website, though its platform is listed as "classified." Tomb Raider was released in March on Xbox 360, PlayStation 3, and PC, but not Wii U. Versions for PS4 and Xbox One have not been announced or even widely rumored until today.

    According to the product page, the Tomb Raider: Definitive Edition will include the main game, all its DLC, and an artbook. Various multiplayer map packs for Tomb Raider were released, though no new story content was ever introduced.

    A Square Enix representative was not immediately available to comment. A Tomb Raider sequel is currently in development for next-generation consoles.

  • LanrutconLanrutcon The LabyrinthRegistered User regular
    Good to see the PS4 starting off so well :)

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  • Mr_GrinchMr_Grinch Registered User regular
    Could someone summarise for the poor people at work, on IE6 who have Youtube blocked?

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  • KrathoonKrathoon Registered User regular
    edited November 2013
    Running the system update... Had to check the manual to locate the power button. I guess they wanted to make it magical.

    Krathoon on
  • UnbreakableVowUnbreakableVow Registered User regular
    Mr_Grinch wrote: »
    Could someone summarise for the poor people at work, on IE6 who have Youtube blocked?

    If you're going to upgrade, a hybrid drive is your best option if you don't want to shell out a ton of cash for an SSD

  • Vincent GraysonVincent Grayson Frederick, MDRegistered User regular
    I would very much love for this to be true
    March's Tomb Raider reboot from Crystal Dynamics may be released on PlayStation 4 if a new Amazon listing is anything to go by. Amazon Italy (via Eurogamer) posted a PS4 listing for Tomb Raider: Definitive Edition with a release date of January 24, 2014.

    A second listing is also posted on Amazon Italy's website, though its platform is listed as "classified." Tomb Raider was released in March on Xbox 360, PlayStation 3, and PC, but not Wii U. Versions for PS4 and Xbox One have not been announced or even widely rumored until today.

    According to the product page, the Tomb Raider: Definitive Edition will include the main game, all its DLC, and an artbook. Various multiplayer map packs for Tomb Raider were released, though no new story content was ever introduced.

    A Square Enix representative was not immediately available to comment. A Tomb Raider sequel is currently in development for next-generation consoles.

    Tomb Raider was great, but I wouldn't buy it a second time. I do look forward to the inevitable sequel though.

  • AaronsxedgeAaronsxedge Tokyo, JapanRegistered User regular
    I want to marry my PS4. I just wish Battlefield would stop crashing. I would buy Tomb Raider in a heart beat.
    I need more psn friends, so I might just start adding everyone on that list.

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  • ArthilArthil Registered User regular
    Might have been impatient and put in a CS chat on Amazon asking about my replacement xP. They did say a FEW business days, I need to have patience and wait until after Wednesday to be worried.

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  • imperialparadoximperialparadox Houston, TXRegistered User regular
    Arthil wrote: »
    Might have been impatient and put in a CS chat on Amazon asking about my replacement xP. They did say a FEW business days, I need to have patience and wait until after Wednesday to be worried.

    It's understandable, I'd be impatient too. Here's to hoping your second go at it is your last go.

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  • Professor SnugglesworthProfessor Snugglesworth Registered User regular
    From the previous thread.
    TheUnsane1 wrote: »
    I give up: I just can't figure out why there's always one human who dies out of the blue in Resogun.

    I restarted the first stage like four times, kept a super close eye on Keepers, but no matter what there would always be a guy who would instantly die.

    The only thing I can think of is that there are enemy suicide bombers who crash into your caged dudes, but I'm not seeing any indication to confirm that.

    But on the subject of confirmations, I can confirm that the shove button is in AC IV after all. It's the X button, except it's not labeled in the context menu for some odd reason.

    One of the humans in stage one requires a 3x multiplier to unlock I believe. It happens when moving into phase 3 if I am remembering correctly.

    Anyone able to confirm that? It's really annoying that the game doesn't even hint about this requirement.

  • Skull2185Skull2185 Registered User regular
    I would very much love for this to be true
    March's Tomb Raider reboot from Crystal Dynamics may be released on PlayStation 4 if a new Amazon listing is anything to go by. Amazon Italy (via Eurogamer) posted a PS4 listing for Tomb Raider: Definitive Edition with a release date of January 24, 2014.

    A second listing is also posted on Amazon Italy's website, though its platform is listed as "classified." Tomb Raider was released in March on Xbox 360, PlayStation 3, and PC, but not Wii U. Versions for PS4 and Xbox One have not been announced or even widely rumored until today.

    According to the product page, the Tomb Raider: Definitive Edition will include the main game, all its DLC, and an artbook. Various multiplayer map packs for Tomb Raider were released, though no new story content was ever introduced.

    A Square Enix representative was not immediately available to comment. A Tomb Raider sequel is currently in development for next-generation consoles.

    Tomb Raider was great, but I wouldn't buy it a second time. I do look forward to the inevitable sequel though.

    I'd buy it again if it had actual story DLC (even something as simple as extra tombs) instead of just shit-ass MP stuff. Tomb Raider MP was awful, publisher mandated tacked on poo.



    Also, if anyone's playing Knack, and having trouble with the inconsistant range on his air attack, the attack's range appears to be dependant on Knack's size.

    Everyone has a price. Throw enough gold around and someone will risk disintegration.
  • KrathoonKrathoon Registered User regular
    Giant Bomb totally slammed Knack. I will have to try it out tonight and see.

  • DirtyDirty Registered User regular
    From the previous thread.
    TheUnsane1 wrote: »
    I give up: I just can't figure out why there's always one human who dies out of the blue in Resogun.

    I restarted the first stage like four times, kept a super close eye on Keepers, but no matter what there would always be a guy who would instantly die.

    The only thing I can think of is that there are enemy suicide bombers who crash into your caged dudes, but I'm not seeing any indication to confirm that.

    But on the subject of confirmations, I can confirm that the shove button is in AC IV after all. It's the X button, except it's not labeled in the context menu for some odd reason.

    One of the humans in stage one requires a 3x multiplier to unlock I believe. It happens when moving into phase 3 if I am remembering correctly.

    Anyone able to confirm that? It's really annoying that the game doesn't even hint about this requirement.

    That's super lame if true. I'm not a high score person, so I never worry about maintaining a multiplier. But if it's required to save all the humans, I'll probably uninstall this one.

  • BeltaineBeltaine BOO BOO DOO DE DOORegistered User regular
    Knack is a competent game, but it does nothing exceptionally well.

    It's like a Vespa versus a Harley. The Vespa gets you where you need to go and works well, but it just doesn't have the soul of a Harley.

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  • Mr_GrinchMr_Grinch Registered User regular
    I was interested in Knack but after watching the GB footage (even ignoring their comments) it didn't really click with me.

    There are no real launch games that are "for me", save maybe Assassin's Creed. Strangely this doesn't mean I want a PS4 any less urgently.

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  • Professor SnugglesworthProfessor Snugglesworth Registered User regular
    Just to clarify, I'm perfectly fine with maintaining a multiplier, since that's just an extra incentive to score high in a high score-focused game.

    I just hate that the game doesn't convey to you whatsoever that it's a requirement to saving all the humans.

  • Skull2185Skull2185 Registered User regular
    Krathoon wrote: »
    Giant Bomb totally slammed Knack. I will have to try it out tonight and see.

    It's not great, but it also isn't quite as bad as reviewers want you to think.

    Everyone has a price. Throw enough gold around and someone will risk disintegration.
  • AllforceAllforce Registered User regular
    Dirty wrote: »
    From the previous thread.
    TheUnsane1 wrote: »
    I give up: I just can't figure out why there's always one human who dies out of the blue in Resogun.

    I restarted the first stage like four times, kept a super close eye on Keepers, but no matter what there would always be a guy who would instantly die.

    The only thing I can think of is that there are enemy suicide bombers who crash into your caged dudes, but I'm not seeing any indication to confirm that.

    But on the subject of confirmations, I can confirm that the shove button is in AC IV after all. It's the X button, except it's not labeled in the context menu for some odd reason.

    One of the humans in stage one requires a 3x multiplier to unlock I believe. It happens when moving into phase 3 if I am remembering correctly.

    Anyone able to confirm that? It's really annoying that the game doesn't even hint about this requirement.

    That's super lame if true. I'm not a high score person, so I never worry about maintaining a multiplier. But if it's required to save all the humans, I'll probably uninstall this one.

    If you're not a high score person why does it matter if you can't save all the humans? Just play it how you want.

    I like that they don't tell you shit besides "Save The Last Humans" and throw you in the deep end, it's a nice throwback from the arcade days. You're meant to discover how to achieve that objective on your own by playing the game. Hell they don't even tell you what the Keepers are or what they do, but you quickly realize they're important.

  • Erin The RedErin The Red The Name's Erin! Woman, Podcaster, Dungeon Master, IT nerd, Parent, Trans. AMA Baton Rouge, LARegistered User regular
    I really hope they figure out BF4 shit soon. I'd like to be able to play the game I bought to play with friends WITH said friends.
    When I jump into the server browser and apply some filtered searching, the game crashes and then when I boot it back up it says my save files are corrupted.

  • chamberlainchamberlain Registered User regular
    Chance wrote: »
    Ahhh finally cracked my high score on Resogun. 33 mil ain't much by leaderboard standards, but I'm proud as fuck.

    Oh, I hate you so much. How far did you get before you lost your multiplier?

  • BillyIdleBillyIdle What does "katana" mean? It means "Japanese sword."Registered User regular
    I really hope they figure out BF4 shit soon. I'd like to be able to play the game I bought to play with friends WITH said friends.
    When I jump into the server browser and apply some filtered searching, the game crashes and then when I boot it back up it says my save files are corrupted.

    Okay, so it's not just me with the corrupted save files...
    I really wanted to tackle single player to unlock the multiplayer guns, and two corrupted saves kinda discouraged me.

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