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Superhero Ethics 101: Hit It With A Hammer

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    Psychotic OnePsychotic One The Lord of No Pants Parts UnknownRegistered User regular
    Nocren wrote: »
    AOS Son of Cole

    That was such a quick, minor thing in Thor that I loved.

    AC: Excuse me, Thor, was it? I'm Agent Coulson of Shield and we need to talk.

    T: Do not worry Son of Cole, for I am on your side.

    It really is one of my favorite Thor speaking to normal person interactions in any of the films.

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    WeaverWeaver Who are you? What do you want?Registered User regular
    "Then give me one of those large enough to ride."

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    UnbreakableVowUnbreakableVow Registered User regular
    *smash*

    Another!

    Loved the callback to that in Thor 2

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    DaMoonRulzDaMoonRulz Mare ImbriumRegistered User regular
    I loved that exchange in the first Thor

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    GatsbyGatsby Registered User regular
    For as much shit as people may give the first Thor's scenes of god-stuck-on-earth

    I found a lot of that pretty funny

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    DouglasDangerDouglasDanger PennsylvaniaRegistered User regular
    What do you folks think of Batman Zero Year? I think it sounds really neat, at least in this interview. And that palette looks neat.

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    BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    So DC, incredibly missing the point, edited the infamous Harley Suicide page

    They replaces "naked in a bathtub with toasters" with "riding an ICBM".

    So now she is just trying to get hit by lightning by holding onto a lightning rod, wearing a chicken bikini in front of alligators, climbing inside a monster's moth and Dr. Strangeloving it.

    Apparently they thought the problem was just her naked in a bathtub, not trying to commit suicide.

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    ChincymcchillaChincymcchilla Registered User regular
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    So DC, incredibly missing the point, edited the infamous Harley Suicide page

    They replaces "naked in a bathtub with toasters" with "riding an ICBM".

    So now she is just trying to get hit by lightning by holding onto a lightning rod, wearing a chicken bikini in front of alligators, climbing inside a monster's moth and Dr. Strangeloving it.

    Apparently they thought the problem was just her naked in a bathtub, not trying to commit suicide.

    Well

    Like its still bad

    But sexualizing someone killing themselves is way way worse, yes

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    BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    Oh yes, but the fact that they just changed that instead of making the page they asked amateur artists to draw not about her killing herself insane

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    BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    For reference, this is the winning page:
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    Which the writer defended saying it was meant to have a "Looney Tune" style

    Which it most certainly does not

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    ChincymcchillaChincymcchilla Registered User regular
    Also

    Why is she smiling

    That doesn't match that dialogue at all

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    DouglasDangerDouglasDanger PennsylvaniaRegistered User regular
    what in the fuck

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    MysstMysst King Monkey of Hedonism IslandRegistered User regular
    is she lifting that radio tower?

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    CenoCeno pizza time Registered User regular
    good god

    what human being looks at that and goes "yeah all that writing and art is great just keep churning that out"

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    GustavGustav Friend of Goats Somewhere in the OzarksRegistered User regular
    Also

    Why is she smiling

    That doesn't match that dialogue at all

    I would guess a lot of rewrites and redraws personally.

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    LanglyLangly Registered User regular
    Gustav wrote: »
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    Why is she smiling

    That doesn't match that dialogue at all

    I would guess a lot of rewrites and redraws personally.

    no the point is that she is aware she's in a comic and so her voice is not matching the artist's rendition.

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    LanglyLangly Registered User regular
    she is literally not in control of her body although she has control of her voice

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    BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    Gustav wrote: »
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    Why is she smiling

    That doesn't match that dialogue at all

    I would guess a lot of rewrites and redraws personally.
    I think that matches up with the script page they put out for the contest?

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    AtomicTofuAtomicTofu She's a straight-up supervillain, yo Registered User regular
    Ceno wrote: »
    good god

    what human being looks at that and goes "yeah all that writing and art is great just keep churning that out"

    "We're looking for a new artist but please just imitate the house style."

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    UnbrokenEvaUnbrokenEva HIGH ON THE WIRE BUT I WON'T TRIP ITRegistered User regular
    on the "bright" side she's not actually trying to kill herself? It's just a "hilarious" misunderstanding because the writer didn't know what Suicide Squad was? Except they've already got her being drawn in a suicide attempt before she even mentions Suicide Squad?

    just... awkward and painfully unfunny

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    BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    Langly wrote: »
    she is literally not in control of her body although she has control of her voice
    There is an earlier page where, ugh, Mecha-Harley vomits and both of the writers are surprised by it so she has some control.

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    DouglasDangerDouglasDanger PennsylvaniaRegistered User regular
    I'm so damn tired of "meta" fiction.

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    EtchwartsEtchwarts Eyes Up Registered User regular
    "Hey you know how Harley Quinn has the potential to be one of our most complex and interesting characters"

    "Yeah"

    "Fuck that, let's make her Deadpool"

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    GustavGustav Friend of Goats Somewhere in the OzarksRegistered User regular
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    Gustav wrote: »
    Also

    Why is she smiling

    That doesn't match that dialogue at all

    I would guess a lot of rewrites and redraws personally.
    I think that matches up with the script page they put out for the contest?

    I wasn't aware the contest page had dialogue/captions in it.

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    Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Registered User regular
    Gustav wrote: »
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    Gustav wrote: »
    Also

    Why is she smiling

    That doesn't match that dialogue at all

    I would guess a lot of rewrites and redraws personally.
    I think that matches up with the script page they put out for the contest?

    I wasn't aware the contest page had dialogue/captions in it.

    It didn't.

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    UnbrokenEvaUnbrokenEva HIGH ON THE WIRE BUT I WON'T TRIP ITRegistered User regular
    I'm so damn tired of "meta" fiction.

    I'm only tired of lazy obvious crap passed off as metafiction.

    when done well, "meta" fiction can be really enjoyable, and reward closer readings of the text. For this it needs to be both subtle, and the story should stand on it's own without the metafictional interpretation

    I'm going to surprise no one who knows me by pointing to Gillen's Journey Into Mystery as an example of metafiction in comics done very well. On the surface it's a perfectly good story about Kid Loki and Old Loki, but at the same time it's a commentary on storytelling in comics, the illusion of change, and the inevitability of the status quo. But because Gillen never hits the reader over the head with that, someone could easily miss it altogether and still understand and enjoy the book, while someone who is paying close attention and is familiar with how superhero comics stories work can get even more out of the book.

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    LarsLars Registered User regular
    I am curious if DC decided they wanted to rip off Deadpool and then decided Harley was the best fit for that (likely using some sort of complex equation like Deadpool+Boobs=Money!), or if they decided they wanted a Harley comic and then figured the best way to do that was to turn her into Deadpool?

    Alternatively:
    "Nobody is buying a lot of the shit we're shoveling, so we're going to need another Bat-book."

    "Tim Drake carried a solo title for like 20 years and people have been asking to read him outside of Teen Titans. Not to mention there are several prominent Bat-characters missing from the New 52 that people have been begging for. Or we could even give some focus to another Batman Inc character like Nightrunner. We could also reboot Gotham Central since it was critically acclaimed and would tie in when that Jim Gordon television show we might still have in development."

    "Fuck that, let's just go with Harley Quinn instead."

    "As an ongoing? Not a miniseries? Well, she did star in Gotham City Sirens so with some time to plan we may be able to come up with a plot concept to support an indefinitely-running ongoing title for her."

    "Nah, just make her Deadpool and have her break the fourth wall all the time. People love that. No need to plan or put any thought into it, just slap Harley on the cover and have her engage in wacky hijinks and kill people. The constant bat-crossovers will keep the book afloat no matter what we do."

    "But we already have a crazy character who constantly breaks the fourth wall, Ambush Bug. He even predates Deadpool."

    "Ambush who? He doesn't sound like someone we can put in suggestive positions or draw naked in a bath tub."

    "Well actually, he might be up for that..."

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    UnbrokenEvaUnbrokenEva HIGH ON THE WIRE BUT I WON'T TRIP ITRegistered User regular
    see, a halfway clever self-aware joke DC could make about this would be to have Deathstroke make a comment about Harley being a ripoff of a ripoff

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    LanglyLangly Registered User regular
    Fearghaill wrote: »
    I'm so damn tired of "meta" fiction.

    I'm only tired of lazy obvious crap passed off as metafiction.

    when done well, "meta" fiction can be really enjoyable, and reward closer readings of the text. For this it needs to be both subtle, and the story should stand on it's own without the metafictional interpretation

    I'm going to surprise no one who knows me by pointing to Gillen's Journey Into Mystery as an example of metafiction in comics done very well. On the surface it's a perfectly good story about Kid Loki and Old Loki, but at the same time it's a commentary on storytelling in comics, the illusion of change, and the inevitability of the status quo. But because Gillen never hits the reader over the head with that, someone could easily miss it altogether and still understand and enjoy the book, while someone who is paying close attention and is familiar with how superhero comics stories work can get even more out of the book.

    Meanwhile in his next book he has a villain called mom

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    UnbrokenEvaUnbrokenEva HIGH ON THE WIRE BUT I WON'T TRIP ITRegistered User regular
    fair point, he's being somewhat less subtle in Young Avengers, and while I'm still enjoying it (a lot), it's not in the same league as JiM

    I'm willing to believe that the change in tone is deliberate, he's said from the start that Young Avengers is supposed to be the comic book equivalent of a pop song.

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    BalefuegoBalefuego Registered User regular
    The change in tone is absolutely deliberate.

    There's nothing subtle about being a teenager.

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    Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Registered User regular
    from the last episode of Agents of SHIELD:
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    Hoff rode a horse today! :]

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    BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    Good for you, Hoff. Live your dreams.

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    BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
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    Aaaaaahahahahahahah


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    LanglyLangly Registered User regular
    what in jesus fuck

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    wirehead26wirehead26 Registered User regular
    Wonder Woman looks like an amputee in that pic.

    I'M NOT FINISHED WITH YOU!!!
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    MysstMysst King Monkey of Hedonism IslandRegistered User regular
    that is not very good art

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    ChicoBlueChicoBlue Registered User regular
    woof

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    BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    Like that is straight up a Harlequin romance novel cover oh my god ahahaha

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    Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Registered User regular
    is it just me or does Superman's torso look really weird there

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