[Spike VGX Awards] Come for the reveals, leave with the shame

Rehab · December 2013

Grunt's Ghosts wrote: »

It gives gamers a bad image the same way

The kind of people who refer to themselves as "gamers" all the time tend to do inflict far more damage on themselves than any outside force ever could. And seemingly being represented by the likes of pewpewdie and Fatal1ty is significantly more damning than any shitstorm Jack Thompson ever tried to stir up.

Crayon · December 2013

Rehab wrote: »

Grunt's Ghosts wrote: »

It gives gamers a bad image the same way

The kind of people who refer to themselves as "gamers" all the time tend to do inflict far more damage on themselves than any outside force ever could. And seemingly being represented by the likes of pewpewdie and Fatal1ty is significantly more damning than any shitstorm Jack Thompson ever tried to stir up.

The stuff people do in the gaming community is usually localized and rarely escapes it. What outside forces do stay there and encompass the media sometimes if the shitstorm gets rolling. Hard to say what's more damaging, but I'd venture to say the latter considering that's headline bait material and ticker scrolling bait.

jeffinva · December 2013

Maybe I'm just old and don't get the emergent demographic - the people shows like this appeals to. I look at the YouTube personalities with large followings and they're just loud cartoons to me. On one hand I want to say that this is probably how my father felt about the young entertainers I used to watch as a pre-Internet kid. But honestly, I don't think any generation has ever had it this bad. They're offering nothing you couldn't find by just watching any random 12 year old play a video game - and many of these personalities are grown ass men and women.

Grunt's Ghosts · December 2013

It comes down to the fact that no matter what you do on Youtube, the only way people will watch your shit is if you have tits, you're flaming gay, sound like Fred, or you have a British accent. Normally people don't get much of the spot, which is ashame as some of my favorite Youtubers are normal people.

I blame it mostly on Spongebob Squarepants. That's when cartoons died and when Youtube was becoming popular.

BionicPenguin · December 2013

Woah woah woah. Are you talking shit about Spongebob Squarepants? Pistols at dawn.

Dversed · December 2013

Seriously dude. I was with you until the Spongebob part.

Grunt's Ghosts · December 2013

Well, look at the character. He's a mentally retarded character who is gay but we can't making him gay because he's in a kids show, that finds blowing bubbles and catching jellyfish entertaining and just about every popular Youtuber, from Fred to that =3 guy, act just like him. This Pewpewdie guy is like the South Park version of SB.

Its might be a good show (especially compared to the garbage I've seen now days. What happen to Doug and Angry Beavers? Or Bill Nye The Science Guy?) but it's what started this downward dive to stupidity where we have crap for Kids shows.

cooljammer00 · December 2013

Dude, you're gonna lose this conversation because Adventure Time exists.

Garthor · December 2013

Stupid Youtube personalities distilled down to a show would be Uncle Grandpa.

It is literally "lawl randum" and it is the worst.

Wraith260 · December 2013

cooljammer00 wrote: »

Dude, you're gonna lose this conversation because Adventure Time exists.

and regular show, and phineus and ferb and young justice(well that did exist). we could go on but there's a western animation thread over in D&D for that.

SoundsPlush · December 2013

Why can't everything be like when I was a kid, grumbled humans through all time.

I'm not familiar with pewdiepie, why does everyone hate him?

Wraith260 · December 2013

SoundsPlush wrote: »

Why can't everything be like when I was a kid, grumbled humans through all time.

I'm not familiar with pewdiepie, why does everyone hate him?

you'd have to searching through the early pages of the thread, but there was a video posted of him and people's reactions to him. its... its not pretty. not by any means.

Grunt's Ghosts · December 2013

cooljammer00 wrote: »

Dude, you're gonna lose this conversation because Adventure Time exists.

Not all the kids shows today are crap. I find myself watching Kick Buttowski more than I'd like to admit. Never got into Adventure Time because I'm lost as to who is who but it doesn't look too bad.

BionicPenguin · December 2013

Wraith260 wrote: »

SoundsPlush wrote: »

Why can't everything be like when I was a kid, grumbled humans through all time.

I'm not familiar with pewdiepie, why does everyone hate him?

you'd have to searching through the early pages of the thread, but there was a video posted of him and people's reactions to him. its... its not pretty. not by any means.

That would be this one.

I'm sorry.

Crayon · December 2013

Grunt's Ghosts wrote: »

It comes down to the fact that no matter what you do on Youtube, the only way people will watch your shit is if you have tits, you're flaming gay, sound like Fred, or you have a British accent. Normally people don't get much of the spot, which is ashame as some of my favorite Youtubers are normal people.

I blame it mostly on Spongebob Squarepants. That's when cartoons died and when Youtube was becoming popular.

Tell us how you really feel.

Grunt's Ghosts · December 2013

Crayon wrote: »

Grunt's Ghosts wrote: »

It comes down to the fact that no matter what you do on Youtube, the only way people will watch your shit is if you have tits, you're flaming gay, sound like Fred, or you have a British accent. Normally people don't get much of the spot, which is ashame as some of my favorite Youtubers are normal people.

I blame it mostly on Spongebob Squarepants. That's when cartoons died and when Youtube was becoming popular.

Tell us how you really feel.

Like my happiness died and I want Samurai Jack back!

LockedOnTarget · December 2013

I like a lot of the video content out there. It's not all Pewdiepie.

I get a lot of enjoyment from Game Grumps and Giant Bomb and Two Best Friends, what I've seen of Yogscast and Continue stuff has been alright.

sweetcreamscoops · December 2013

Zero Punctuation is also great when he isn't being a massive asshole.

Grunt's Ghosts · December 2013

Zero Punctuation is funny but 90% of the time I can't agree with him.

cB557 · December 2013

I watch a lot of Etho, and from his XCOM video's that I've watched, Marbozir seems good too.

Viskod · December 2013

maximumzero wrote: »

Viskod wrote: »

maximumzero wrote: »

A shame that this Tomb Raider re-release isn't coming to the Wii U as previously rumored, I likely would have picked it up.

What would be the point in porting a PS4/XB1 quality version where those visual upgrades are the whole point of the release to a system where you'd have to downgrade the looks back to where you started with the original release?

It would be more of a matter of the Wii U getting a game it hasn't gotten before, such as Deus Ex Human Revolution Director's Cut, which is an amazing port.

If this rerelease was going to be on the PS3 and 360 as well sure, but it's PS4 and XB1 specifically for the graphical updates.

Spaffy · December 2013

Good grief.

**edit** video blocked already. It was a montage of some of the more awkward moments.

You poor bastards who actually watched this thing.

Undead Scottsman · December 2013

Video is blocked already.

cj iwakura · December 2013

I was kind of hoping no one here gave this garbage the time of day. Their strategy worked. It was utter garbage, and yet people won't stop talking about it, and far too many people tuned in due to some sort of trainwreck mentality.

Shady3011 · December 2013

SoundsPlush wrote: »

I'm not familiar with pewdiepie, why does everyone hate him?

Do you think rape jokes and screaming like a child are the height of comedy? If so, you just might have a career as a Youtube superstar.

UnbreakableVow · December 2013

cj iwakura wrote: »

I was kind of hoping no one here gave this garbage the time of day. Their strategy worked. It was utter garbage, and yet people won't stop talking about it, and far too many people tuned in due to some sort of trainwreck mentality.

Trick question: if you didn't yourself watch it, how do you know it was utter garbage

Shady3011 · December 2013

UnbreakableVow wrote: »

cj iwakura wrote: »

I was kind of hoping no one here gave this garbage the time of day. Their strategy worked. It was utter garbage, and yet people won't stop talking about it, and far too many people tuned in due to some sort of trainwreck mentality.

Trick question: if you didn't yourself watch it, how do you know it was utter garbage

I'm going to guess he read some of the posts in this thread that make that very point.

UnbreakableVow · December 2013

I'm not gonna lie

At least it had the trainwreck mentality behind it, which is way more than past VGAs could claim

The Nintendo segment was painful to watch in the best way

cj iwakura · December 2013

UnbreakableVow wrote: »

cj iwakura wrote: »

I was kind of hoping no one here gave this garbage the time of day. Their strategy worked. It was utter garbage, and yet people won't stop talking about it, and far too many people tuned in due to some sort of trainwreck mentality.

Trick question: if you didn't yourself watch it, how do you know it was utter garbage

I glanced at it when I heard it was on. I managed around 10 minutes.

Grunt's Ghosts · December 2013

I got through the whole video. I laughed at the guy at the end who was like "I guess that's about as bad as it gets." Then the face says something and he goes "Then there's that."

Cade · December 2013

A Former Spike/GameTrailers Employee On Why The VGAs Are So Terrible

A lot of people seem a bit confused as to just what the hell is going on with the VGAs. As a former employee of both Spike and GameTrailers, I can tell you exactly what's happening.

I've worked for Spike and GameTrailers in web content, and both times, I left, on good terms, the same way: A few ranks above my boss's head, a new executive was slotted into place, and the first thing he did was, essentially, piss all over everything to establish dominance. Usually that meant people (like me) getting fired and at least one of the editors on the site forced to quit, or deciding to leave before the hammer came down. It also meant budget cuts with higher demands.

To give you an idea of the scale of the problem, I have no bitterness over my firing because the first day of work I realized that what they wanted me to achieve was impossible. I wasn't told this in so many words, but the job of myself and a fair number of good guys was to get GTs views up so they wouldn't get killed by YouTube. I worked hard for my money and was very well paid, but I knew the clock was ticking down the moment I was told I couldn't use a YouTube embed because "YouTube is our competitor."

The VGAs are really to promote GameTrailers, a site Viacom has spent a lot of money on and is probably going to wind up killing sooner rather than later. The short of it is that Viacom had to demonstrate to publishers that there was a compelling reason to not just post everything on YouTube. They haven't done that.

The VGAs this year had the rank stench of executive piss about them, to be honest, starting with the name change: I know the staff there still and VGX is definitely an order from on high. They can be cheesy but they wouldn't do something like that voluntarily. I'd lay down money McHale was a last-minute addition to the show and that neither he nor GT wanted him on there. The budget cuts, again, classic Viacom executive: I guarantee that the new guy just cut the budget in half and sent it back with a note saying "Do Better."

So, essentially, the VGAs suck because they have an impossible job; Make gamers care about Spike and GT. Once GT gets shut down, and I give that a couple more years, expect the VGAs to go with it.

So there you have it.

Undead Scottsman · December 2013

Fascinating.

SoundsPlush · December 2013

If the VGAs die, is Keighley contractually obligated to commit seppuku?

Raiden333 · December 2013

SoundsPlush wrote: »

If the VGAs die, is Keighley contractually obligated to commit seppuku?

One can hope.

jeffinva · December 2013

If the redditor is being truthful, it would explain the near complete lack of respect for the show itself by everyone except Keighly. It bled through the production.

Speaking of which, just a few opinions about the shit show itself (the horribleness of it all really stuck with me):

I understand why a company would want to hire a popular, witty celebrity as a co-host. But they would have been better served letting McHale use his improvisational talent in smaller bites. They should have had him out by the stage, quickly bantering with who had just finished their segments as a sort of followup. He could have worked off of what was just shown and discussed, and his intros and outros still could have been written jokes. Those guys screaming about cheese or whatever would have never been a part of the show.

The actual co-host should have been someone else recognizable from the industry. There are plenty of people to choose from. They could have gone with a pretty face like Belmont or Hardwick, someone who tends to be a more insightful observer (Gertsmann would be ideal but I doubt he would have done it even for top dollar), or just gone the easy route and just hired Adam Sessler.

Rehab · December 2013

Raiden333 wrote: »

If the VGAs die, is Keighley contractually obligated to commit seppuku?

Its always the titanic falls that we weren't expecting or hyped about that hurt us the most.

TychoCelchuuu · December 2013

Polygon article on VGX.
Borderhouse Blog article on VGX.

Bubby · December 2013

Grunt's Ghosts wrote: »

Zero Punctuation is funny but 90% of the time I can't agree with him.

I can't even bother with him anymore after he shat all over TLoU. Goes against his love of HL2 and Silent Hill 2 in almost every way.

Shady3011 · December 2013

Bubby wrote: »

Grunt's Ghosts wrote: »

Zero Punctuation is funny but 90% of the time I can't agree with him.

I can't even bother with him anymore after he shat all over TLoU. Goes against his love of HL2 and Silent Hill 2 in almost every way.

What?

bss · December 2013

TychoCelchuuu wrote: »

Polygon article on VGX.

"We're resetting," she said. "We're literally just resetting the table so we can bring it to more people, so we can use our collective Viacom reach in a broader way."

Man I can't wait for them to show up at my house with a rebooted table.

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