Completely unConfirmed, but I'm hearing that Neal got 5 games. I was not expecting him to get that many, to be honest.
EDIT: Apparently this is his third suspension?
Also, completely forgot there was a Leafs/Bruins game yesterday. Just saw the crushing Phaneuf hit on Miller. Literally cringed watching it. http://youtu.be/hZDJrfhz1Qw
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While I agree that being insensitive is an issue, so is being oversensitive.
Because if you're going to attempt to squeeze that big black monster into your slot you will need to be able to take at least 12 inches or else you're going to have a bad time...
I don't think you can expect the same as Scott's 7 games for Thorton, @Le_Goat because it was basically a pre-meditated assault vs a bad hit in the confines of a contact sport. I also think the league is looking to make an example for him - Politics will be at play because the optics of this is so bad.
Neal deserved way more than 5 games, but it's notable that he got the max punishment on a play that didn't actually injure the guy (NHL punishment is always based on injury or not, even if I don't agree with that).
I don't think you can expect the same as Scott's 7 games for Thorton, @Le_Goat because it was basically a pre-meditated assault vs a bad hit in the confines of a contact sport. I also think the league is looking to make an example for him - Politics will be at play because the optics of this is so bad.
You make a good point.
While I agree that being insensitive is an issue, so is being oversensitive.
I don't see how anyone can call Orpik's hit on Eriksson clean when Eriksson never touches the puck. Other than that, the only other difference between that hit and the hit Gryba laid on Eller in the playoffs (for which he was suspended) last year is the lack of blood. Orpik's a cheap player.
Still doesn't excuse what was done to him. That was pretty gross to watch.
No suspensions since 2006 for, iirc, his hit on Eric Cole.
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As for the Thornton suspension, you also need to take in mind that the NHL is currently being sued for itKs lack of actions taken to reduce concussions. The lawerys of that suit are, indeed, paying very close attention to how the NHL will handle Thornton. 10 games is my guess.
I don't see how anyone can call Orpik's hit on Eriksson clean when Eriksson never touches the puck. Other than that, the only other difference between that hit and the hit Gryba laid on Eller in the playoffs (for which he was suspended) last year is the lack of blood. Orpik's a cheap player.
Still doesn't excuse what was done to him. That was pretty gross to watch.
pretty sure he touches the puck behind his back, looks like the puck changes speed. Maybe slightly more clear in this video:
No suspensions since 2006 for, iirc, his hit on Eric Cole.
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As for the Thornton suspension, you also need to take in mind that the NHL is currently being sued for itKs lack of actions taken to reduce concussions. The lawerys of that suit are, indeed, paying very close attention to how the NHL will handle Thornton. 10 games is my guess.
I suspect a knee to the head is more likely to cause a concussion than the punches, which is probably what he's going to get the book thrown at about.
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Concussion means the punishment is going to be bigger, doubly so because the NHL is currently being sued for their lack of action taken to reduce concussions.
Not saying that a knee to the head isn't bad and 5 games is light doubly so for a third suspension at age 26, but I think you are downplaying throwing a guy onto his back then throwing three punches (really two and an elbow) to a defensiveless man while his head is on the ice and you are standing over him throwing all you weight straight down.
I think they are probably both as likely to cause one, despite how easy it'd be for me to claim emperical evidence says otherwise :P
Realy wish I could hear what Jermey Roenick thinks about this topic. I'm at the bar, but the tagline on the piece is "Orpik refused to fight Thornton" So...
Also: Anyone heard how Orpik is doing? Last I heard was the he was conversing, which is a good sign.
Bylsma said he was doing 'quite good'
Shero said he was in bad shape
Bylsma restated his quote as doing quite well for being unconcious for at least 30seconds and being taken off the ice on a strecher. And that he doesn't have memory of anything after the anthem before the game.
Sounds better than some concussions and worse than others.
The suspensions in the league will continue to be a joke until 5 games is the minimum suspension that is handed out for anything. If the league truly wanted to change player behaviour, they'd be handing out ten, twenty, thirty game suspensions for truly egregious plays.
But the league doesn't want to change player behaviour badly enough to make those decisions.
It is more likely that the league doesn't want to deal with the NHLPA, if you start handing out huge suspensions the union is going to start getting pissed off. Remember when they tried voting out fighting and it was the union who said they didn't want to get rid of it?
Because if you're going to attempt to squeeze that big black monster into your slot you will need to be able to take at least 12 inches or else you're going to have a bad time...
No suspensions since 2006 for, iirc, his hit on Eric Cole.
Totes dirt.
As for the Thornton suspension, you also need to take in mind that the NHL is currently being sued for itKs lack of actions taken to reduce concussions. The lawerys of that suit are, indeed, paying very close attention to how the NHL will handle Thornton. 10 games is my guess.
So suspensions are the only barometer for whether a player is cheap. Gotcha.
Orpik is a lot like Ulf Samuelsson. Cheap late hits, often after the play is dead, hits from behind. He's may not be a predator like Torres, but still a cheap piece of shit.
Bruins fan compares a penguin he doesn't like to to Ulf Samuelson? now you know he's not being objective.
the only thing wrong with that hit is it's maybe an interference penalty. it's not dirty at all and clean enough to eat off of. Loui could have the puck, still get hit the same way, concussed, and it'd still be clean.
I'm not a Bruins fan, and I think Shaun Thornton is kind of a waste of a roster spot. I just don't like Brooks Orpik.
Edit: As an aside, I'll mention that I'm a long time Quebec/Colorado fan, and since moving to Ottawa in 2005 have started following the Senators as well. And it kills me every time Kassian is dressed, taking a spot away from a real hockey player, to play for 2 minutes.
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EDIT: Apparently this is his third suspension?
Also, completely forgot there was a Leafs/Bruins game yesterday. Just saw the crushing Phaneuf hit on Miller. Literally cringed watching it.
http://youtu.be/hZDJrfhz1Qw
Neal deserved way more than 5 games, but it's notable that he got the max punishment on a play that didn't actually injure the guy (NHL punishment is always based on injury or not, even if I don't agree with that).
Still doesn't excuse what was done to him. That was pretty gross to watch.
A solid month minimum if I were in charge. Probably a half season. That shit needs to go and fuck you if you do it.
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No suspensions since 2006 for, iirc, his hit on Eric Cole.
Totes dirt.
As for the Thornton suspension, you also need to take in mind that the NHL is currently being sued for itKs lack of actions taken to reduce concussions. The lawerys of that suit are, indeed, paying very close attention to how the NHL will handle Thornton. 10 games is my guess.
pretty sure he touches the puck behind his back, looks like the puck changes speed. Maybe slightly more clear in this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVeb51AMmD8&feature=youtu.be&t=15s&noredirect=1
I suspect a knee to the head is more likely to cause a concussion than the punches, which is probably what he's going to get the book thrown at about.
Concussion means the punishment is going to be bigger, doubly so because the NHL is currently being sued for their lack of action taken to reduce concussions.
I think they are probably both as likely to cause one, despite how easy it'd be for me to claim emperical evidence says otherwise :P
I am for harsh discipline.
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Maybe not as bad as I thought.
Bylsma said he was doing 'quite good'
Shero said he was in bad shape
Bylsma restated his quote as doing quite well for being unconcious for at least 30seconds and being taken off the ice on a strecher. And that he doesn't have memory of anything after the anthem before the game.
Sounds better than some concussions and worse than others.
But the league doesn't want to change player behaviour badly enough to make those decisions.
So suspensions are the only barometer for whether a player is cheap. Gotcha.
Orpik is a lot like Ulf Samuelsson. Cheap late hits, often after the play is dead, hits from behind. He's may not be a predator like Torres, but still a cheap piece of shit.
ie: favorible zone starts, 8 minutes a night, 2n worst corsi on the team. I wonder what he gets paid for. (it isn't to play hockey)
the only thing wrong with that hit is it's maybe an interference penalty. it's not dirty at all and clean enough to eat off of. Loui could have the puck, still get hit the same way, concussed, and it'd still be clean.
Edit: As an aside, I'll mention that I'm a long time Quebec/Colorado fan, and since moving to Ottawa in 2005 have started following the Senators as well. And it kills me every time Kassian is dressed, taking a spot away from a real hockey player, to play for 2 minutes.
Edit: Also, Datsyuk is back and scoring goals. All is good
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